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Old 06-11-2008, 01:59 AM    (permalink
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Two things...

1. Gilbert Arenas is pretty much the furthest thing you can get from a "true" point guard.

2. The Magic have no money left. I mean seriously....Dwight and Rashard have max contracts. We have the MLE, that's it and we dont have the pieces for a sign and trade. He's a bad fit anyway.

One more thing...he's rumored to be seeking a contract that would top Rashard's. Yeah, that's $120 million.
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haha are you serious? adelman even agreed to that.
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Oh well, didn't expect to win that one anyway. Saw some encouraging things, some things I didn't like, but bottom line is that was a winnable game that got away. It's unfortunate, but I'm not going to sit here and spend two days making excuses.

Kobe finally woke up and played the way he needed to for his team to have a shot at winning. Good for him. It's just too bad we have to wait until Thursday for game 4...
what? kobe was good in game 2. it was the rest of the team that needed to step it up.

even when kobe struggles you know he'll get you at least 20+ points and 5+ assists and 5+ rebounds.
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You're right, Kobe had nice little games in game one and game two... if his name was anything but Kobe Bryant.

9-26, 6-6 - 24 points
11-23, 7-7 - 30 points
12-20, 11-18 - 36 points

I'll tell you which statline the Celtics can live with and which one they would prefer not to see again. Kobe scored more points on less shots while almost single handedly taking Paul Pierce out of the game by putting him in foul trouble because he... drove to the hoop. Sure, he spotted up on more than a few occasions, but the Lakers won that game because Kobe changed his game and played aggressive. That is the ONLY way the Lakers will win, with Kobe being aggressive and scoring 41% of his teams points.

You say it was his teammates that needed to step up? Absolutely not. That was the worst game his "teammates" have played in this series, and if it wasn't for the fact that at least Vujacic was shooting the lights out, the Celtics would have won that game.

Last night Kobe scored 41.3% of his teams points. In game two, he scored 29.4% and in game one he scored 27.3%, so to me that says his teammates were better in the first two games...
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as much as i dislike kobe bryant i have to give it up to him, the dude was lights out last night
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Everyone used the Hack-a-Shaq.. especially the Kings.
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Here is a cool article about Ralph Nader writing a letter to David Stern after the Kings-Lakers Game 6 as well as some things that Michael Wilbon wrote about the game in 2002.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articl...erNaderNBA.htm

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Nader cited Washington Post sports columnist Michael Wilbon who wrote that too many of the calls in the fourth quarter (when the Lakers received 27 foul shots) were "stunningly incorrect," all against Sacramento.



After noting that the three referees in Game 6 "are three of the best in the game, Wilbon wrote: "I have never seen officiating in a game of consequence as bad as that in Game 6....When Pollard, on his sixth and final foul, didn't as much as touch Shaq. Didn't touch any part of him. You could see it on TV, see it at courtside. It wasn't a foul in any league in the world. And Divac, on his fifth foul, didn't foul Shaq. They weren't subjective or borderline or debatable. And these fouls not only resulted in free throws, they helped disqualify Sacramento's two low-post defenders. And one might add, in a 106-102 Lakers' victory, this officiating took away what would have been a Sacramento series victory in 6 games."

Nader also cited the basketball writer for USA Today, David Dupree, who said, "I've been covering the NBA for 30 years, and it's the poorest officiating in an important game I've ever seen."


“When Wilbon writes that ‘The Kings and Lakers didn't decide this series …three referees did..’ when many thousands of fans, not just those in Sacramento, felt that merit lost to bad refereeing, you need to take notice beyond the usual and widespread grumbling by fans and columnists about referees ignoring the rule book and giving advantages to home teams and superstars," said Nader.
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So what can they do? What would happen to those refs? Same thing that happen to Donaghy?
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For the Celtics to win the championship KG needs to swallow his pride and realize he is a PF not a SG. His shooting percentages the first three games have been horrid, it's not like he's going against good defenders:
Game 1: 9-22, 24 points, 40%
Game 2: 7-19, 17 points, 36%
Game 3: 6-21, 13 points, 28%
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i think they need to get the ball in ray allen's hands more often.
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So what can they do? What would happen to those refs? Same thing that happen to Donaghy?
The referees are the least of my concerns. They are the low men on the totem poll. This stuff goes all the way to the top and someone needs to make those at the top accountable.
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For the Celtics to win the championship KG needs to swallow his pride and realize he is a PF not a SG. His shooting percentages the first three games have been horrid, it's not like he's going against good defenders:
Game 1: 9-22, 24 points, 40%
Game 2: 7-19, 17 points, 36%
Game 3: 6-21, 13 points, 28%
Couldn't agree with you more.
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Raps looking to buyout Garbajosa. :(

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For the Celtics to win the championship KG needs to swallow his pride and realize he is a PF not a SG. His shooting percentages the first three games have been horrid, it's not like he's going against good defenders:
Game 1: 9-22, 24 points, 40%
Game 2: 7-19, 17 points, 36%
Game 3: 6-21, 13 points, 28%
Yes, he clearly should not be doing what he's done all post-season because he's been in a slump for a few games.
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Well, there in lies the problem. You have to adapt to what the other team is giving you. He's being selfish right now. He doesn't want to be a low post player. Well that's great Kevin, you don't have to be, but if you suck it up and act like one for the next TWO GAMES, you'll be able to put a ring on your finger. I can't believe there isn't SOMEONE trying to get that message in his brain. There is NO ONE on the Lakers that can stop him in the low post one on one, and when they start doubling him, everything else opens up.

Things like this is why Doc Rivers sometimes rightfully gets a bad rap. It's his job to get this through. For a MAXIMUM of four more games, I don't think it's much to ask KG to suck it up and do whatever needs to be done to win. I mean ****, if my boss came to me and said "Jay, we need you to wear this pink shirt and capri's to work for two days so we can land this contract and in return we'll fulfill your biggest lifelong dream" I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Apparently he's been getting too hyped up for these games. I was reading Bill Simmons article today and apparently he didn't sleep at all, even for a minute fo four days between games two and four of the Detroit series...
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Well, there in lies the problem. You have to adapt to what the other team is giving you. He's being selfish right now. He doesn't want to be a low post player. Well that's great Kevin, you don't have to be, but if you suck it up and act like one for the next TWO GAMES, you'll be able to put a ring on your finger. I can't believe there isn't SOMEONE trying to get that message in his brain. There is NO ONE on the Lakers that can stop him in the low post one on one, and when they start doubling him, everything else opens up.

Things like this is why Doc Rivers sometimes rightfully gets a bad rap. It's his job to get this through. For a MAXIMUM of four more games, I don't think it's much to ask KG to suck it up and do whatever needs to be done to win. I mean ****, if my boss came to me and said "Jay, we need you to wear this pink shirt and capri's to work for two days so we can land this contract and in return we'll fulfill your biggest lifelong dream" I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Apparently he's been getting too hyped up for these games. I was reading Bill Simmons article today and apparently he didn't sleep at all, even for a minute fo four days between games two and four of the Detroit series...
Exactly what I wanted to say. GET YOUR ******* ASS IN THE PAINT KEVIN! Hes always been one of my favorite players but that habit of his is so annoying.
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To our defense.. Ronnie Turiaf didn't play half bad on him.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/column...Detroit-080612

Fun little article there, Chad Ford proposes Six Trades that "work" for the Pistons and gives reasons for each one.

1. Carmelo Anthony, Chucky Atkins and Pick #20 for Chauncey Billups and Tayshaun Prince

2. Carlos Boozer, Ronnie Brewer, Jarron Collins, Morris Almond for Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, and Arron Afflalo

3. Josh Howard for Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince

4. Gerald Wallace, Adam Morrison, Sean May, Pick #9 for Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince

5. Richard Jefferson, Nenad Krstic (sign & trade) and Pick #10 for Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince

6. Tracy McGrady and Pick #25 for Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace

The last two I especially don't like.. I don't like Richard Jefferson and I wouldn't trade for T-Mac. I'd be iffy on the Josh Howard deal.. I'm not sure I'd really like the Carmelo trade, but it'd be interesting.. I like the Carlos Boozer and Gerald Wallace deals, though.
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CHUCKY!!!!
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Chucky Atkins is/was the man. He was our main man at Point Guard before Chauncey got here. He always seemed to hit the 3 Pointer when you needed it the most.
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Fun little article there, Chad Ford proposes Six Trades that "work" for the Pistons and gives reasons for each one.

1. Carmelo Anthony, Chucky Atkins and Pick #20 for Chauncey Billups and Tayshaun Prince

2. Carlos Boozer, Ronnie Brewer, Jarron Collins, Morris Almond for Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, and Arron Afflalo

3. Josh Howard for Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince

4. Gerald Wallace, Adam Morrison, Sean May, Pick #9 for Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince

5. Richard Jefferson, Nenad Krstic (sign & trade) and Pick #10 for Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince

6. Tracy McGrady and Pick #25 for Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace

The last two I especially don't like.. I don't like Richard Jefferson and I wouldn't trade for T-Mac. I'd be iffy on the Josh Howard deal.. I'm not sure I'd really like the Carmelo trade, but it'd be interesting.. I like the Carlos Boozer and Gerald Wallace deals, though.
i would so do that josh howard trade get howard out of dallas asap
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Greg Oden was in Portland recently, for the Rose Festival Parade, but has now returned home to Indianapolis. After a week there, he'll return to Ohio State to take some summer courses, and, of course, will continue to workout. Greg worked out at the practice facility over the weekend, and looked phenominal (sic). He's used this time to really improve his outside shot, and has surprised nearly everyone with how consistent he's become.

Greg's free-throw shooting is very, very solid, and he's developed a deadly jump hook, and can go with either hand. Greg is raring to go up and down, but probably won't be cleared for full-speed scrimmaging until August. He's in tremendous shape, and is absolutely ripped up. In one of his final workouts in Portland, in front of coaches, reportedly, jaws were hitting the floor, as he was repeatedly attempting to tear the rim off the backboard. He's developed an impressive touch from the perimeter, and anything in the paint will be a dunk.
WE GOT A BEAST ON OUR HANDS!!!
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They better show more portland games on TV i really want to see him play and portland has a pretty solid young team
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Wow, yeah, i'd be surprised if there wasn't a Portland game once a week on TV.. That's how it was when LeBron came in, and i know Oden wasn't as hyped as James was, but he'll still get a lot of pub.. and the Blazers are good.. Oden and my boy L.A are gonna be a the deadly twin towers!
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3. Josh Howard for Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince


The last two I especially don't like.. I don't like Richard Jefferson and I wouldn't trade for T-Mac. I'd be iffy on the Josh Howard deal.. I'm not sure I'd really like the Carmelo trade, but it'd be interesting.. I like the Carlos Boozer and Gerald Wallace deals, though.
Agree with Bantx, I like that idea alot. Rip is still in his prime, and a much more dependable option on the offense end, and a quality defender. As much as I dislike J-Ho, he is still a quality player and may just need a change of scenery.
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