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Old 02-08-2008, 06:48 PM    (permalink
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Flacco is bigger and more mobile then Orton. And his Arm is bigger. Plus, he has more potential. Overall, Flacco is just better... and I am an Orton fan.
right, if hes a better orton, then thats only a good thing (points back to 66% winning percentage)
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I saw this mock on another draft site and was rather pleased with it, thought I'd run it past the masses.

1st round- Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
2nd round- Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
3rd round- Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
3rd round- Tashard Choice, RB, Georgia Tech
4th round- Andre Caldwell, WR, Florida


That seems a bit too optomistic, but I would LOVE that draft.
This draft addresses quite a lot of needs but my only question here would be Safety which is in dire need of help. This has been our achilles heel for defense and as much as I love Angelo's late rnd selections I'd have to say we'd need to hit this position sooner than 5th. Other than that its not a bad draft at all.
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2nd round- Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
I know he disappointed in the Senior Bowl, but did it really do that much damage to his stock? I kind of have my doubts. But, I guess we'll be finding out 4/26 & 27.
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I know he disappointed in the Senior Bowl, but did it really do that much damage to his stock? I kind of have my doubts. But, I guess we'll be finding out 4/26 & 27.
ive seen him go as low as in the third...

i really liked him the times i saw him play this year like the LSU game. he was on target with passes, moving around quite well, etc.

the more people talk down on him, the more i like it becaues itmeans he'll be available later and later....lol

all the better for me
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What do you guys think about a WR in round 2? If a guy like Devin Thomas or Hardy are still there I would definetly like to give our qb some else to throw too.
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What do you guys think about a WR in round 2? If a guy like Devin Thomas or Hardy are still there I would definetly like to give our qb some else to throw too.
oh absolutely id go for thomas. hands down.
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I know he disappointed in the Senior Bowl, but did it really do that much damage to his stock? I kind of have my doubts. But, I guess we'll be finding out 4/26 & 27.
I watched about 3 games from Woodson this year, and I was not impressed whatsoever. He does have a nice arm, but he just puts the ball in bad places and takes so dang long to get rid of the ball.

If I were an NFL team, I wouldn't take him until the 3rd round. I'd take Chad Henne over Woodson, both have strong arms, but Henne makes better decisions.
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I watched about 3 games from Woodson this year, and I was not impressed whatsoever. He does have a nice arm, but he just puts the ball in bad places and takes so dang long to get rid of the ball.

If I were an NFL team, I wouldn't take him until the 3rd round. I'd take Chad Henne over Woodson, both have strong arms, but Henne makes better decisions.
i havent liked henne...reminds me of a little less jumpy rex....not good

i liked woodson. i saw the lsu game, the louisville game and the bowl game and liked him in each. he seems calm, and accurate. i think with at east a year of sitting to work on a better release and learn an nfl system, he could be the best QB of the draft class
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With Mcfaddens stock cooling off if he's there at 14 do we take him??
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I dunno, he seems like a Bust or Hit, it rather take Mendenhall
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With Mcfaddens stock cooling off if he's there at 14 do we take him??
Hahaha.....oh the draft season.

One person puts McFadden out of his top 20 and all of the sudden he's free-falling. McFadden won't hit 14, so don't worry about it.
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1st 14th- Kenny Phillips S- I dont think Chris Williams or Jeff Otah rise high enough, Clady will be gone and even with our penchant to trade down I see JA thinking about what happened to our D when Mike Brown has gone out the last 2 years.

2nd- Trade up- 45th overall pick and Alex Brown for 35th overall pick- Gosder Cherilous OT- JA feels the pressure to bring in a starter and makes a move to get a solid RT prospect.

3rdA- Josh Johnson QB- We get a guy to sit for a couple years while we determine if KO can be that guy.

3rdB-Chris Johnson RB- I thought G here but the top 3 will most likely be gone. The good RB depth allows us to pick up a good player here in Johnson.

4th-Frank Okam DT- I think he has a free fall on draft day. Giving us a chance to pick him up here.

5th-Owen Schmitt FB- Maybe i'm too hopeful that he lasts this long. A great lead blocker is hard to find. I think he turns into a dominant blocker on the next level.

6th- Durant Brooks P

7th-Chester Adams G
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1st 14th- Kenny Phillips S- I dont think Chris Williams or Jeff Otah rise high enough, Clady will be gone and even with our penchant to trade down I see JA thinking about what happened to our D when Mike Brown has gone out the last 2 years.

2nd- Trade up- 45th overall pick and Alex Brown for 35th overall pick- Gosder Cherilous OT- JA feels the pressure to bring in a starter and makes a move to get a solid RT prospect.

3rdA- Josh Johnson QB- We get a guy to sit for a couple years while we determine if KO can be that guy.

3rdB-Chris Johnson RB- I thought G here but the top 3 will most likely be gone. The good RB depth allows us to pick up a good player here in Johnson.

4th-Frank Okam DT- I think he has a free fall on draft day. Giving us a chance to pick him up here.

5th-Owen Schmitt FB- Maybe i'm too hopeful that he lasts this long. A great lead blocker is hard to find. I think he turns into a dominant blocker on the next level.

6th- Durant Brooks P

7th-Chester Adams G
i suppose i would accept that draft just because we would be getting immediate starters at need positions in S and RT.

and i suppose id be happy with JJ but isnt he more of a WC offense type of guy? strikes me as such anyway...

now, chris johnson...didnt we JUST take a grossly undersized back late in the third last year? if we wait until that point to go RB, id rather go with someone like forte or kevin smith or even a tashard choice. someone who at least has the potential to be an every down back if need be.

now okam...i had him in mind as a good 34 NT when i first saw/read/heard about him, but i hear his motor is terrible and plays too high....etc. since its the 4th round and hes a big body to put next to harris, id accept it. but im just not sure about him...

schmidt i was in favor of up until just a few weeks ago. but wouldn't it be wiser to either get some more oline depth or maybe even a WR to develop? a good blocking FB would be real nice but if the oline isn't improved and neither is RB, it just seems kind of a waste. Id love him on special teams though...hed be one hell of a wedge buster.

punter...brooks...love it. if hes there. but i think maynard is on the downward slope and only gonna tail off further. didnt he only have like a 41 avr this year? yeah...we can do better. and if we get someone like brooks, we could have one nasty special teams unit in he, gould and hester for years and years.

developmental late round lineman in the 7th, good.
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I like the Okam pick, as a 4th round pick I think it fits. Someone who has all this potential, but doesnt utilize it, I think our coaches could make something work w/ him. Another player who has fallen this year is that Tommy Blake. Thats another guy who I wouldnt mind if we take a 3rd or 4th round project pick on.
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I like the Okam pick, as a 4th round pick I think it fits. Someone who has all this potential, but doesnt utilize it, I think our coaches could make something work w/ him. Another player who has fallen this year is that Tommy Blake. Thats another guy who I wouldnt mind if we take a 3rd or 4th round project pick on.
unless we were to fill all of our OT, QB, RB, WR and S needs via the first 3 rounds and free agency, i think id hold off on blake for a while. if hes still around starting in the 4th round though, he might be worth a look there. we certainly have enough other DE depth that he wont be missed too much if his depression/anxiety problems return
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I just saw that Otah had a real slow 40 time. Obviously that's not a huge deal for a lineman, but it could dip his stock too low for us at #14.
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I wasn't sure who I would prefer between Otah and Williams, but after today I'd take Williams. He has really quick feet.
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I just saw that Otah had a real slow 40 time. Obviously that's not a huge deal for a lineman, but it could dip his stock too low for us at #14.
Oh puh-lease. Scouts aren't idiots and actually think a mid 5 40 for a lineman, especially someone Otah's size, is really gonna make a difference. What they were watching today from the linemen were footwork and technique mainly. Otah would not see his stock soar if he ran a 5.2, however, he won't see it drop a bit even though he ran a 5.5-5.6...

If Otah drops for some reason, it's because of questions about his ability to actually play LT in the NFL.
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Oh puh-lease. Scouts aren't idiots and actually think a mid 5 40 for a lineman, especially someone Otah's size, is really gonna make a difference. What they were watching today from the linemen were footwork and technique mainly. Otah would not see his stock soar if he ran a 5.2, however, he won't see it drop a bit even though he ran a 5.5-5.6...

If Otah drops for some reason, it's because of questions about his ability to actually play LT in the NFL.
I'm getting the notion that you're dissagreeing with everything I say just for the hell of it.

I said myself that it's not that big of a deal, and am now arguing against the backlash against him, but to say that it doesn't matter at all is silly. Everything matters at this point. Williams looked much more athletic and fluid than Otah today.
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I'm getting the notion that you're dissagreeing with everything I say just for the hell of it.

I said myself that it's not that big of a deal, and am now arguing against the backlash against him, but to say that it doesn't matter at all is silly. Everything matters at this point. Williams looked much more athletic and fluid than Otah today.
I'm kinda touchy when it comes to the big uglies... and 40 times for linemen do not matter unless they are really slow, or really fast. A .3 difference in straightline speed is not gonna make someone jump ahead of Otah. If he was projected as a LG and he ran a 5.5/6, yeah, that could and probably would cause his stock to dip. But he's a big fat massive tackle, and big massive tackles usually don't need to be very speedy.

I didn't watch most of the stuff today, but if Otah's stock falls, it's because he showed bad technique and footwork, not because of his 40 time.
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well for our sake, i still would be happy with either otah or williams.

otah would certainly go to RT right away, while williams would compete for LT at first.

either could project long term to LT, with williams having the lead in that department.

if i had to choose today, i would take williams. not because he ran better in the 40, but for his LT potential. i dont think otah really hurt himself or anything...
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I would choose Williams as well, and not because of today, but because I would have chosen him all along.
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I agree with Smokey Joe about Williams. I'm much more concerned about Otah's quickness, than his straight-line speed. Plus Williams has a huge edge in experience and a slight edge in skill, so it would make more sense to draft Williams.
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The biggest concern I have about Williams is that he's a finesse player.

I think best case scenario he's D'Brick. Worse case scenario he's probably Alex Barron.
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