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Old 11-23-2007, 06:01 PM    (permalink
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This list is based off of performance so far this year, and thus will depress me for its lack of Bears, but here we go. Also, no fullbacks as I find that hard to quantify and it's become a diminished position, included an extra offensive player instead.

QB- Brett Favre
RB- Adrian Peterson
WR- Donald Driver, Roy Williams
TE- Donald Lee
OT- Bryant McKinnie, Chad Clifton
OG- Steve Hutchison, Daryn Colledge
C- Matt Birk
Extra- Bernard Berrian


DE- Aaron Kampman, Adewale Ogunleye
DT- Tommie Harris, Shaun Rogers
OLB- Ernie Sims, A.J Hawk
MLB- Nick Barnett
CB- Al Harris, Charles Woodson
FS- Gerald Alexander
SS- Darren Sharper
K- Jason Hanson
P- Chris Kluwe
Ret- Devin Hester

2nd Team
QB- Jon Kitna
RB- Chester Taylor
WR- Shaun McDonald, Greg Jennings
TE- Desmond Clark
OT- John Tait, Mark Tauscher
OG- Roberto Garza, Edwin Mulitalo
C- Olin Kruetz
Extra- Kevin Jones

DE- Dewayne White, KGB
DT- Corey Williams, Pat Williams
OLB- Lance Briggs, Chad Greenway
ILB- Brian Urlacher
CB- Charles Tillman, Antoine Winfield
FS- Danieal Manning
SS- Atari Bigby
K- Robbie Gould
P- Jon Ryan
Ret- Tramon Williams

Green Bay Packers- 9 1st team, 16 total
Detroit Lions- 5 1st team, 10 total
Chicago Bears- 4 1st team, 13 total
Minnesota Vikings- 6 1st team, 9 total
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Pretty good list. Jennings should be over Berrian though. I'd probably put him over Driver too.
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Pretty good list. Jennings should be over Berrian though. I'd probably put him over Driver too.
Yeah the receivers are pretty fluid. (Actually a lot of it is)

I haven't seen all of the Packers games but the ones I have Driver is still the go-to guy, thus the nod over Jennings. As for Berrian, he's the main guy on his offense, has slightly better production (depending on how much you value touchdowns), and is doing it with vastly inferior quarterback play.
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Good list, although I don't think Daryn Colledge is worthy of a 1st or 2nd team selection. Having watched every game, I would say Jason Spitz has outperformed him.
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Yeah the receivers are pretty fluid. (Actually a lot of it is)

I haven't seen all of the Packers games but the ones I have Driver is still the go-to guy, thus the nod over Jennings. As for Berrian, he's the main guy on his offense, has slightly better production (depending on how much you value touchdowns), and is doing it with vastly inferior quarterback play.
Valid points but Berrian has Jennings by only 1.5 yards a game while Jennings has 7 more TDs. Having a good QB is big, but you said yourself it's based off this year's performence.

Also Tramon Williams has only 2 returns all year, not sure if he should make 2nd team.
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Valid points but Berrian has Jennings by only 1.5 yards a game while Jennings has 7 more TDs. Having a good QB is big, but you said yourself it's based off this year's performence.

Also Tramon Williams has only 2 returns all year, not sure if he should make 2nd team.
Umm...wasn't he your kick returner untill Koren Robinson came back?
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No Kevin Williams? :( Why.
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Umm...wasn't he your kick returner untill Koren Robinson came back?
Yeah, I'm dumb I was thinking it was for punt returner for some reason.
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Production honestly. It's a DT heavy division and I think Pat has had a bigger year than Kevin.
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DT is stacked in the NFC North. Far and away the best division in terms of talent at DT.
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I really only have two disagreements with this. One being the fact that Pat Williams is on this list, when Kevin Williams has, atleast in my mind, clearly outperformed him. The other disagreement is the fact that Nick Barnett is on the first team when he's playing at a lower level than EJ Henderson. Honestly, EJ's been the best defensive player on the Vikings this year.
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I really only have two disagreements with this. One being the fact that Pat Williams is on this list, when Kevin Williams has, atleast in my mind, clearly outperformed him. The other disagreement is the fact that Nick Barnett is on the first team when he's playing at a lower level than EJ Henderson. Honestly, EJ's been the best defensive player on the Vikings this year.
EJ has played very well, but not better than Barnett. I think he definitely deserves second team though. Sounds strange to say Urlacher's the third best MLB in the division, but for this year at least I think it's true.
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My team:

QB: Brett Favre
RB: Adrian Peterson
RB: Ryan Grant
WR: Greg Jennings
WR: Roy Williams
TE: Donald Lee
OT: John Tait
OT: Chad Clifton
OG: Steve Hutchinson
OG: Darryn Colledge
OC: Matt Birkk
K: Jason Hanson
R: Devin Hester

DE: Aaron Kampman
DT: Kevin Williams
DT: Shaun Rogers
DE: Kabeer Basha Bee-Hamila
OLB: Lance Briggs
MLB: Nick Barnett
OLB: Ernie Sims
CB: Charles Woodson
CB: Al Harris
FS: Dwight Smith
SS: Darren Sharper
P: Chris Kluwe

I swear to god, you could just call it the Packers.
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Cant say im unhappy with either list.
Except Colledge is kinda living of his play from last year. He's dropped off a bit this year
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Cant say im unhappy with either list.
Except Colledge is kinda living of his play from last year. He's dropped off a bit this year
It's more to do with lack of competition. Lions line is terrible, Rueben Brown was hurt and ****** and Garza is average, Vikings have just recently solidified their RG position, and Spitz has been in and out of the lineup.
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It's more to do with lack of competition. Lions line is terrible, Rueben Brown was hurt and ****** and Garza is average, Vikings have just recently solidified their RG position, and Spitz has been in and out of the lineup.
It's weird how the NFC North seems to have similar strengths and weaknesses by position. DT is strong, G is weak, etc.

Colledge is an enigma. He plays very solid football sometimes but other times you'll look at him and wonder why he's on the field. He's looked pretty good the past few weeks so hopefully that's a sign of him improving his consistency. Another year of gains in the off-season workout program won't hurt him either.

Oh, and for fullback I have to throw Korey Hall out there. This kid has impressed me big time. Seems like he's always making a big block out there and he rarely misses an assignment.
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Like it all except Id take Jennings over Berrian like stated previously.
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With Colledge benched, he's got to come off this list. I actually think Coston is the best guard on the Packers and I think he'll end up starting over either Colledge or Spitz in the long run. That is, unless they give him a shot at tackle.
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IMO Safety is our division's weakest position. Also not a lot of good depth at the Gaurd position... on the other hand our strong points seem to be at WR, D-line, LB, and CB.

1st Team all NFC North
QB: Brett Favre
RB: Adrian Peterson
FB: Tony Richardson
WR: Donald Driver, Roy Williams
TE: Donald Lee
LT: Bryant McKennie
LG: Steve Hutchinson
C: Olin Kruetz
RG: Anthony Herrara
RT: Mark Tauscher

LDE: Aaron Kampman
DT: Pat Williams
DT: Tommie Harris
RDE: Cullen Jenkins
WOLB: Lance Briggs
MLB: EJ Henderson
SOLB: Ben Leber
CB: Charles Woodson
FS: Dwight Smith
SS: Darren Sharper
CB: Al Harris
K: Jason Hanson
P: Chris Kluwe
KR: Devin Hester


2nd Team All NFC North
QB: Jon Kitna
RB: Chester Taylor
FB:??? Jason McKie
WR: Greg Jennings, Bernard Berian
TE: Desmond Clark
LT: Chad Clifton
LG: Edwin Mulitalo
C: Matt Birk
RG: Roberto Garza
RT: John Tait

LDE: Adewale Ogunleye
DT: Shaun Rogers
DT: Kevin Williams
RDE: KGB
WOLB: Chad Greenway
MLB: Nick Barnett
SOLB: Hunter Hillenmeyer
CB: Charles Tillman
FS: Danieal Manning
SS: Atari Bigby
CB: Antione Winfield
K: Mason Crosby
P: Jon Ryan
KR: Tramon Williams

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Adewale Ogunleye is having a much better season than Cullen Jenkins.
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Yeah, he's right. Ogunleye has 9 sacks, I believe.
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Adewale Ogunleye is having a much better season than Cullen Jenkins.
Yup, Jenkins certainly doesn't deserve 1st team.

Also, Barnett should be 1st team over Henderson.
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Yup, Jenkins certainly doesn't deserve 1st team.

Also, Barnett should be 1st team over Henderson.
And Hawk should be second over Greenway.
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And Hawk should be second over Greenway.
Definitely.

Also, Bigby? I'm not sold on that but I guess SS is weak in the NFC North.
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I think Barnett, Henderson, and Urlacher are all pretty debateable.
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