After last night, it's clear the best NFC team is...

11-30-2007, 04:03 AM

Green Bay

Call me a homer or whatever, but that dallas team did nothing to show me that they would beat a full strength green bay team.
We had two major injuries in woodson and KGB (not to mention an array of other injuries, mainly on our D-line), who no question would have shut down romo and his offense. On that subject don't everyone jump on the romo bandwagon, he didn't get much pressure at all, and had wide open receivers all night, any QB could have put up those numbers!
The pack's first drive was vintage GB, but after that brett favre went back to his stupid attitude of sling and hope! He wasn't helped by some shocking playcalling either! Then when he went down, we went back to being our normal offense, and a 'rookie QB' just took apart a supposed good dallas D!
As far as I know that was a pretty much full strength dallas team, and they only just squeezed out a victory at home! Plus the officials were wearing cowboys jerseys too! How on earth was that first TO catch not a catch and then fumble? Harris had that ball outta there! Secondly how can they give grant such a bad spot, when he clearly made it on that 3rd and 1? Then as an extra nail in the coffin, that second PI! How on earth can you call that pass interference. All decisions were massive game changers.
So in summary, Green Bay at full strength are the best NFC team, and only a true Dallas homer would really disagree.
Anyone else think the same as me?

Rant over

Wyndham · 11-30-2007, 04:08 AM

I think after last night, it's not clear who the best team in the NFC is. Green Bay did a good job keeping it competitive without Favre and some other key players. On the other hand, Dallas won by 10 points.

We'll see what happens in the late January rematch.

Modano · 11-30-2007, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by damasta13

Green Bay

Call me a homer or whatever, but that dallas team did nothing to show me that they would beat a full strength green bay team.
We had two major injuries in woodson and KGB (not to mention an array of other injuries, mainly on our D-line), who no question would have shut down romo and his offense. On that subject don't everyone jump on the romo bandwagon, he didn't get much pressure at all, and had wide open receivers all night, any QB could have put up those numbers!
The pack's first drive was vintage GB, but after that brett favre went back to his stupid attitude of sling and hope! He wasn't helped by some shocking playcalling either! Then when he went down, we went back to being our normal offense, and a 'rookie QB' just took apart a supposed good dallas D!
As far as I know that was a pretty much full strength dallas team, and they only just squeezed out a victory at home! Plus the officials were wearing cowboys jerseys too! How on earth was that first TO catch not a catch and then fumble? Harris had that ball outta there! Secondly how can they give grant such a bad spot, when he clearly made it on that 3rd and 1? Then as an extra nail in the coffin, that second PI! How on earth can you call that pass interference. All decisions were massive game changers.
So in summary, Green Bay at full strength are the best NFC team, and only a true Dallas homer would really disagree.
Anyone else think the same as me?

Rant over

:roll:

Your team lost by 10 (with a dropped TD turned into an INT) but you think its' clear that they're better?
And for the injuries argument, the Cowboys are playing without their starting NT (Jason Ferguson) since day 1 of the year. Anthony Henry is playing injured and he comes in only in nickel packages. So what?
You act like with KGB in the game you would've applied so much more pressure, just forgetting that, this year, Flozell Adams has shut down almost all the DE's he has faced. He shut down Trent Cole who is a better speed rusher than KGB.
Your defense allowed 34 points, but you can say that "no question would have shut down romo and his offense" if they had KGB and Woodson for this game?

thule · 11-30-2007, 04:30 AM

The TO catch was ruled forward progress...while it was sketchy...it is justifyable

He made the 3rd and 1 by the yellow line on the screen...if you would have looked at the replay...you see the sticks are a good half yard further than the yellow line...so thats the TV's fault the refs made the right mark.

The second PI might have been ticky tacky...but while running down field the sideline judge saw the corner put his hand on his shoulder pad and also grab his right arm....the back judge didn't have a great view of this and it was why the call was changed....go back and rewatch it....

I mean if we want to talk about bad calls we could always talk about the 3rd and 10 play where Ware got called for offsides.

Jakey · 11-30-2007, 05:05 AM

Wow...Ware has got some amazing reactions!

dre1614 · 11-30-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by damasta13

Green Bay

Call me a homer or whatever, but that dallas team did nothing to show me that they would beat a full strength green bay team.
We had two major injuries in woodson and KGB (not to mention an array of other injuries, mainly on our D-line), who no question would have shut down romo and his offense. On that subject don't everyone jump on the romo bandwagon, he didn't get much pressure at all, and had wide open receivers all night, any QB could have put up those numbers!
The pack's first drive was vintage GB, but after that brett favre went back to his stupid attitude of sling and hope! He wasn't helped by some shocking playcalling either! Then when he went down, we went back to being our normal offense, and a 'rookie QB' just took apart a supposed good dallas D!
As far as I know that was a pretty much full strength dallas team, and they only just squeezed out a victory at home! Plus the officials were wearing cowboys jerseys too! How on earth was that first TO catch not a catch and then fumble? Harris had that ball outta there! Secondly how can they give grant such a bad spot, when he clearly made it on that 3rd and 1? Then as an extra nail in the coffin, that second PI! How on earth can you call that pass interference. All decisions were massive game changers.
So in summary, Green Bay at full strength are the best NFC team, and only a true Dallas homer would really disagree.
Anyone else think the same as me?

Rant over

You do realize though, when teams HAVE pressured Romo he just evades the rush and throws bombs to TO right?

The Bears brought ton of pressure on Romo, and it didn't affect him, same with the Giants.

Honestly its damn near impossible to stop him when he is on his game. The best way is to confuse him with coverages, while he is still young and learning the game.

dre1614 · 11-30-2007, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thule

The TO catch was ruled forward progress...while it was sketchy...it is justifyable

He made the 3rd and 1 by the yellow line on the screen...if you would have looked at the replay...you see the sticks are a good half yard further than the yellow line...so thats the TV's fault the refs made the right mark.

The second PI might have been ticky tacky...but while running down field the sideline judge saw the corner put his hand on his shoulder pad and also grab his right arm....the back judge didn't have a great view of this and it was why the call was changed....go back and rewatch it....

I mean if we want to talk about bad calls we could always talk about the 3rd and 10 play where Ware got called for offsides.

I was not able to watch the game, but did they covert on that 3rd down, and did they score on that drive?

11-30-2007, 05:27 AM

You cannot tell me that with some pressure, and with woodson playing that romo would have put up the same numbers. For one, the WRs wouldn't have been wide open!
The 3rd and 1 with the funny spot, they were 10 down, and kicked a FG putting them 7 down.
The other thing is that those 2 INTs brett threw both lead to TDs for dallas.
With the ware penalty, if you look at the video closely, he is moving before the ball is snapped = offside!

dre1614 · 11-30-2007, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by damasta13

You cannot tell me that with some pressure, and with woodson playing that romo would have put up the same numbers. For one, the WRs wouldn't have been wide open!
The 3rd and 1 with the funny spot, they were 10 down, and kicked a FG putting them 7 down.
The other thing is that those 2 INTs brett threw both lead to TDs for dallas.
With the ware penalty, if you look at the video closely, he is moving before the ball is snapped = offside!

he is moving, but he still wasen't in the neutral zone, so it shouldn't have been a penalty

11-30-2007, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dre1614

he is moving, but he still wasen't in the neutral zone, so it shouldn't have been a penalty

Well the definition you have given means that he shouldnt have been penalised for neutral zone infraction, which i agree with, but that wasn't the penalty he was charged with!
The two penalties are for different things

dre1614 · 11-30-2007, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by damasta13

Well the definition you have given means that he shouldnt have been penalised for neutral zone infraction, which i agree with, but that wasn't the penalty he was charged with!
The two penalties are for different things

How could he be charged with offsides, if he wasen't even in the neutral zone?

Modano · 11-30-2007, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dre1614

I was not able to watch the game, but did they covert on that 3rd down, and did they score on that drive?

Ware got a sack and a forced fumble (but it was recovered by GB) on that play, so the Packers should've had to punt it away. The Packers converted the following 3rd and 5 and they scored a FG at the end of the drive...

WMD · 11-30-2007, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thule

The TO catch was ruled forward progress...while it was sketchy...it is justifyable

He made the 3rd and 1 by the yellow line on the screen...if you would have looked at the replay...you see the sticks are a good half yard further than the yellow line...so thats the TV's fault the refs made the right mark.

The second PI might have been ticky tacky...but while running down field the sideline judge saw the corner put his hand on his shoulder pad and also grab his right arm....the back judge didn't have a great view of this and it was why the call was changed....go back and rewatch it....

I mean if we want to talk about bad calls we could always talk about the 3rd and 10 play where Ware got called for offsides.

Watching the center's helmet I see. I thought that was offsides, until I just saw this.. but I don't think that Pass Interference call was right at all.. not catchable to me.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 11-30-2007, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by damasta13

You cannot tell me that with some pressure, and with woodson playing that romo would have put up the same numbers. For one, the WRs wouldn't have been wide open!
The 3rd and 1 with the funny spot, they were 10 down, and kicked a FG putting them 7 down.
The other thing is that those 2 INTs brett threw both lead to TDs for dallas.
With the ware penalty, if you look at the video closely, he is moving before the ball is snapped = offside!

Offsides (5 yards NFL/NCAA only) - any part of a player is in or past the neutral zone when the ball is snapped. Unlike offensive players, defensive players are not compelled to come to a set position before the snap, so if a defender jumps across the line but gets back to his side before the snap there is no foul. In the case of an offsides foul, play is not stopped, and the foul is announced at the conclusion of the play. The non-offending team can thus decline the penalty and take the yardage gained on the play - unlike in the case of a false start foul against the offense, whereupon the play is immediately stopped by the officials. Referee signal: both hands placed on hips, with elbows pointing outwards (same as Neutral Zone infraction/Encroachment).

Players are constantly moving before the snap on defense. Look at safety blitzes and such. Off sides means you are on the wrong side, not that you moved before the snap. Think before you post.

Ward · 11-30-2007, 06:44 AM

I encourage everyone to rep this guy appropriately for the original post in this thread, and what he thinks offsides is... thank you Cutler.

Billingsley26 · 11-30-2007, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dre1614

he is moving, but he still wasen't in the neutral zone, so it shouldn't have been a penalty

Unabated to the Quarterback.

Favre4ever · 11-30-2007, 07:31 AM

Dallas' front seven was too much for our O-line. Saying that Romo would have made all these plays on Woodson is ridiculous. Both Harris and Woodson feed off each others. Rouse in coverage is also something that would have made a difference cuz we know Bigby cant cover and Romo took advantage of that. Jolly and KGB are a big part of our scheme and we didnt have them. Plus you throw in the stupid plays of favre, which i dont understand. Inexperience was also a big factor with so many kids out there for the pack. Thank God they play them once, now theyll be ready for a second meeting.

drowe · 11-30-2007, 07:33 AM

hah. the packers were out-matched in every aspect last night. the cowboys showed they were the better team. we'll see what happens if they play again, but to say the packers proved anything last night is quite homerish.

vatech=accdomination · 11-30-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dre1614

I was not able to watch the game, but did they covert on that 3rd down, and did they score on that drive?

he got sacked. dallas should have run up the score like the patriots, and maybe this thread would not have occured

OzTitan · 11-30-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thule

The TO catch was ruled forward progress...while it was sketchy...it is justifyable

He made the 3rd and 1 by the yellow line on the screen...if you would have looked at the replay...you see the sticks are a good half yard further than the yellow line...so thats the TV's fault the refs made the right mark.

The second PI might have been ticky tacky...but while running down field the sideline judge saw the corner put his hand on his shoulder pad and also grab his right arm....the back judge didn't have a great view of this and it was why the call was changed....go back and rewatch it....

I mean if we want to talk about bad calls we could always talk about the 3rd and 10 play where Ware got called for offsides.

Ware has got to be the best snap jumper in the NFL. Every time I watch the Boys' he is doing this. He has a system worked out or something - maybe it's just raw skill.

I think on any given day either team could win really. Probably comes down to HFA, which you'd think Dallas now has entering the playoffs.

Favre4ever · 11-30-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by drowe

hah. the packers were out-matched in every aspect last night. the cowboys showed they were the better team. we'll see what happens if they play again, but to say the packers proved anything last night is quite homerish.

You are so right.

king2am · 11-30-2007, 08:21 AM

Ok First let me say, I hate Dallas and I only hold a small part of my fanhood for the packers because the lions bother me so much.

With that said. I thought the game proved one thing: Dallas and Green Bay are the two best teams in the NFC.

And that is it.

I did feel that the Pass Interference call was a little wishy washy and I would really like the league to take a second look at how much of an impact these types of calls are.

Would Green Bay have won with all their starters? They would have a better chance I would imagine, but no one can say.

I don't think either is significantly better than the other, and I look forward to the NFC championship game.

bearsfan_51 · 11-30-2007, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by king2am

With that said. I thought the game proved one thing: Dallas and Green Bay are the two best teams in the NFC.

And that is it.

Really going out on a limb there eh?

And to the originally poster. Yeah, you're a homer.

stephenson86 · 11-30-2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by damasta13

Green Bay

Call me a homer or whatever, but that dallas team did nothing to show me that they would beat a full strength green bay team.
We had two major injuries in woodson and KGB (not to mention an array of other injuries, mainly on our D-line), who no question would have shut down romo and his offense. On that subject don't everyone jump on the romo bandwagon, he didn't get much pressure at all, and had wide open receivers all night, any QB could have put up those numbers!
The pack's first drive was vintage GB, but after that brett favre went back to his stupid attitude of sling and hope! He wasn't helped by some shocking playcalling either! Then when he went down, we went back to being our normal offense, and a 'rookie QB' just took apart a supposed good dallas D!
As far as I know that was a pretty much full strength dallas team, and they only just squeezed out a victory at home! Plus the officials were wearing cowboys jerseys too! How on earth was that first TO catch not a catch and then fumble? Harris had that ball outta there! Secondly how can they give grant such a bad spot, when he clearly made it on that 3rd and 1? Then as an extra nail in the coffin, that second PI! How on earth can you call that pass interference. All decisions were massive game changers.
So in summary, Green Bay at full strength are the best NFC team, and only a true Dallas homer would really disagree.
Anyone else think the same as me?

Rant over

.........oh dear....how old are u?

Favre4ever · 11-30-2007, 09:03 AM

The packers are a young and very inexperienced team. They got beat by a good veteran team. This game is a blessing in the sense that they will be able to learn from their mistakes in case of a rematch. This Packer team is way better fo what they shown last night. Nevermind they injuries, you cant win games when you shoot yourself in the foot so many times.