Aqib Talib

PACKmanN · 12-01-2007, 01:53 AM

He has a lot of tools to work with but if he would come out this year with the other underclass CB you think will come out, were would you rank him? Also how high and low could he go, and whats his cons and pros. Thanks.

SuperKevin · 12-01-2007, 01:56 AM

My CB rankings are

1. Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State
2. Brandon Flowers Virginia Tech
3. Mike Jenkins South Florida
4. Aqib Talib Kansas
5. Antoine Cason Arizona

From what I've seen, Talib is a solid cover corner but he sometimes is too slow in transition and gets beat deep(see the Kansas State game). He's still a solid all around CB though

PACKmanN · 12-01-2007, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperKevin

My CB rankings are

1. Malcolm Jenkins Ohio State
2. Brandon Flowers Virginia Tech
3. Mike Jenkins South Florida
4. Aqib Talib Kansas
5. Antoine Cason Arizona

From what I've seen, Talib is a solid cover corner but he sometimes is too slow in transition and gets beat deep(see the Kansas State game). He's still a solid all around CB though

The one play were I saw that WR beat him deep, there was not safety help up top, that was just a terrible call, because Talib was playing bump-and-run on him.

thule · 12-01-2007, 02:35 AM

If Talib runs in that 4.38 to 4.42 range he will be a top 15 lock....scouts are extremely high on him and if he chooses to declare he is essentially a round one lock.

Right now the CB class should be a beauty...and I'm not sold on him leaving.

Turtlepower · 12-01-2007, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thule

If Talib runs in that 4.38 to 4.42 range he will be a top 15 lock....scouts are extremely high on him and if he chooses to declare he is essentially a round one lock.

Right now the CB class should be a beauty...and I'm not sold on him leaving.

I personally think he will be a fool to say with his stock so high. I don't see Kansas getting more than 7 wins next year, so he probably should leave school this year.

WMD · 12-01-2007, 08:01 AM

If he wants to go to the Lions, he'll declare for the Draft!

toonsterwu · 12-01-2007, 08:37 AM

I think Talib is a first rounder even if he runs, say, a low 4.5 time. Any higher than that and his draft value goes tumbling. I think a mid-4.4 time could probably garner him a mid-first value.

12-01-2007, 10:22 AM

I like Talib a lot. Great tackler, solid in coverage and closes on the ball very well. I've seen him get beat on well run and double routes too often though.

Babylon · 12-01-2007, 11:17 AM

To me the guy has everything going for him except stopwatch speed. Sometimes i think you have to recognize guys as being just football players. As for him running 4.3 or 4.4 he better get someone to run the 40 for him because he isnt running that time.

D-Unit · 12-01-2007, 11:21 AM

I think Talib is extremely overrated. Hasn't played any good competition and the decent competition he has faced, he's been burnt badly... Owned by Jordy Nelson, Maurice Purify and Jeremy Maclin. NUFCED.

Babylon · 12-01-2007, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit

I think Talib is extremely overrated. Hasn't played any good competition and the decent competition he has faced, he's been burnt badly... Owned by Jordy Nelson, Maurice Purify and Jeremy Maclin. NUFCED.

I dont know about any good competition as the B12 is one of the better throwing leagues, although i dont think they played Okla. or Texas. I think the guy can play but like you said he did give up some big plays.

Turtlepower · 12-01-2007, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit

I think Talib is extremely overrated. Hasn't played any good competition and the decent competition he has faced, he's been burnt badly... Owned by Jordy Nelson, Maurice Purify and Jeremy Maclin. NUFCED.

I was watching those games and most of the times those players had big catches he wasn't assigned to them. I don't know what the DC was doing, but I know that he was not covering Purify in the Nebraska game for most of it.

Babylon · 12-01-2007, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtlepower

I was watching those games and most of the times those players had big catches he wasn't assigned to them. I don't know what the DC was doing, but I know that he was not covering Purify in the Nebraska game for most of it.

And when he played KSU he did give the run and catch to Nelson but he actually had him covered fairly well and the ball was perfectly thrown( a rarity for Freeman) after that he somewhat limited Jordy to a lot of short stuff.

Billingsley26 · 12-01-2007, 12:27 PM

I have a feeling that he will come out. He has dominated for two years now, and I think he is going to take a chance on another year. I think his stock is as high as it will ever be. He has already proven that is one of the best CB's in the draft.
I have him as my #1 CB in this draft. I dont think there is another CB who better than him. Aqib right now I see being a top 15 pick, and I dont see him falling at all, regardless of what happens, falling out of the 1st round.

Turtlepower · 12-01-2007, 12:28 PM

The problem is that you can't blame a CB for a team having a bad pass defense because you have no idea where he was assigned the entire game.

PACKmanN · 12-01-2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit

I think Talib is extremely overrated. Hasn't played any good competition and the decent competition he has faced, he's been burnt badly... Owned by Jordy Nelson, Maurice Purify and Jeremy Maclin. NUFCED.

He shut down Bowman, who by most is consider the most physical wr in the draft. The play he got beat by Nelson is the DC fault, he didn't have any safety help at the top and he played Nelson on the line.

LonghornsLegend · 12-01-2007, 01:20 PM

What about him being a cover 2 corner in the NFL? Seems like a better fit

Turtlepower · 12-01-2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

What about him being a cover 2 corner in the NFL? Seems like a better fit

I think Cason is the best Cover-2 in this draft due to his lack of speed. I think Talib will just be a good CB in general.

D-Unit · 12-01-2007, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtlepower

I was watching those games and most of the times those players had big catches he wasn't assigned to them. I don't know what the DC was doing, but I know that he was not covering Purify in the Nebraska game for most of it.

What you know is nothing. Talib was lit up by Purify. 2 of Purify's 3 TDs were on Talib. Kansas DC isn't stupid. He put Talib on Purify and Talib got worked. You either have bad eyes or you are lying to make excuses for him.

Turtlepower · 12-01-2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit

What you know is nothing. Talib was lit up by Purify. 2 of Purify's 3 TDs were on Talib. Kansas DC isn't stupid. He put Talib on Purify and Talib got worked. You either have bad eyes or you are lying to make excuses for him.

Then I guess I got bad eyes because I didn't see Talib on Purify. Oh well. =(

D-Unit · 12-01-2007, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PACKmanN

He shut down Bowman, who by most is consider the most physical wr in the draft. The play he got beat by Nelson is the DC fault, he didn't have any safety help at the top and he played Nelson on the line.

He did not shutdown Bowman. Bowman left the game early with an injury.

How is getting beat by Nelson the DC's fault? We're not talking about one play here. Is Talib not good without Safety help? He can't stick with his man from the start if the WR goes deep?

Billingsley26 · 12-01-2007, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtlepower

Then I guess I got bad eyes because I didn't see Talib on Purify. Oh well. =(

I am going to vouch for Turtlepower, because I dont recall seeing Talib on Purify for much of the game.

Turtlepower · 12-01-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billingsley26

I am going to vouch for Turtlepower, because I dont recall seeing Talib on Purify for much of the game.

Yeah, I'm not completely crazy. =D

Billingsley26 · 12-01-2007, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit

He did not shutdown Bowman. Bowman left the game early with an injury.

How is getting beat by Nelson the DC's fault? We're not talking about one play here. Is Talib not good without Safety help? He can't stick with his man from the start if the WR goes deep?

Look at some of the best CB's to ever play football, and tell me if when they play bump and run, or jam a WR at the line, that they are able to retreat riht away and make the play without any help from the safety. Unless you have one of the worst QB's who madly under throws the ball. I dont hold that against him.

D-Unit · 12-01-2007, 01:31 PM

"Last weekend, Nebraska senior Maurice Purify had a career game against Kansas with 148 yards, 7 receptions and three touchdowns. Two of those touchdowns came against Talib. Not to pick on Talib here, but he is supposed to be the best cornerback in college football this season."

http://www.kansan.com/stories/2007/n...heeler/?sports