BCS National Championship Game: LSU vs OSU

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by soybean

tOSU doesn't have to worry about Dorsey. He's been invisible his last couple of games.

I would be more worried about highsmith and in the secondary probably steltz.

I say LSU wins because matt Flynn is a pretty good game manager and Boeckman blows.

Do you think before you post?

To say OSU won't have to worry about Dorsey rivals anything Contr0versy, scarface, NittanyLion2K7 etc... have ever said in terms of utter stupidity.

Oh, and by the way...

QB1: 176-273, 64.5%, 7.95 ypa, 23 TD, 12 INT, 150.28 2171 yards
QB2: 183-322, 55.1%, 6.73 ypa, 17 TD, 10 INT, 122.49 2233 yards

Which of the two blows??????

[keylime_5]

Originally Posted by nfrillman

Probably not at all because the media is in love with the Big 10.

What? Gimme a break, the media has been obsessed with the freakin' SEC all year "they are the best conference in football, they are in a different class, blah blah blah". They have been saying the big ten blows all year just because tOSU screwed up in the MNC game last year. The media right now is slobbing all over the SEC's youknowwhats and kicking the big ten to the side now that they're in a down year. Wisky will roll over Tennessee, but Michigan and Illinois are mismathched. I wouldn't be surprised to see Illinois upset USC though b/c they have a terrific defense and Juice Williams is on fire, plus USC is overated since they get so much hype recently despite not being a good passing team at all this year and disappointing against teams like Washington, Stanford, Oregon, etc., etc. I consider USC lucky to only have 2 losses, same goes with LSU.

[P-L]

Do people realize that Dorsey has been playing injured ever since the Auburn game, after taking that cheap shot? He didn't even play that much against Tennessee and while I don't remember exactly, he didn't play a full game against Arkansas or Mississippi. If he's 100% for the National Championship, Ohio State has to worry about him.

[soybean]

what has dosey done the last few weeks? I watched the Ole miss game and I coudlnt even tell if he was playing or not.

and boeckman blows, i stand by that. you can look at the numbers or you look at how each qb carries their respective teams.

EDIT: i know he was chop blocked in the auburn game. But why even play injured?

Originally Posted by Turtlepower

I hate people who just look at the score of a game and then see it as a team dominate them. OSU wasn't even leading at half-time. I give them credit for pulling away, but they certainly did not dominate the game.

They absolutely demolished UW in the second half and derailed the Jake Locker Love Fest that was going on.

[soybean]

I don't know why people get so worked up when you say a player hasn't performed up to his usual self. me saying Dorsey hasn't been performing as well as he's capable of these last few weeks is like me saying Early Doucet isn't a first round WR right now. Of course a lot of you guys are gonna cry and ***** and moan but truth is they aren't right now who they're capable of being as a player. don't get me wrong dorsey will no doubt be a top 5 pick and most likely the first pick but he's going to need to step it up.

[P-L]

Originally Posted by soybean

I don't know why people get so worked up when you say a player hasn't performed up to his usual self. me saying Dorsey hasn't been performing as well as he's capable of these last few weeks is like me saying Early Doucet isn't a first round WR right now. Of course a lot of you guys are gonna cry and ***** and moan but truth is they aren't right now who they're capable of being as a player. don't get me wrong dorsey will no doubt be a top 5 pick and most likely the first pick but he's going to need to step it up.

But you won't acknowledge his injury. He sat out the majority of the SEC Championship Game and missed quite a few plays against Arkansas and Ole Miss. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Dorsey was a dominant force at the beginning of the season and he's struggled since taking that cheap shot in the Auburn game. I think there is enough evidence to believe that the injury is affecting him and he's not just "not playing up to his capabilities."

[Shane P. Hallam]

Glenn Dorsey is a beast and will be 100% or near it. He will be a force to be reckoned with in the NC. 'Nugh said.

[saintsfan912]

Originally Posted by soybean

tOSU doesn't have to worry about Dorsey. He's been invisible his last couple of games.

I would be more worried about highsmith and in the secondary probably steltz.

I say LSU wins because matt Flynn is a pretty good game manager and Boeckman blows.

You try playing after a blatant chop block that nearly ended his career. Try playing with an injured back and still getting double and triple teamed. He should be fully 100% (I hope so anyways) and show all the doubters who the best player in the nation really is.

[saintsfan912]

Originally Posted by soybean

what has dosey done the last few weeks? I watched the Ole miss game and I coudlnt even tell if he was playing or not.

and boeckman blows, i stand by that. you can look at the numbers or you look at how each qb carries their respective teams.

EDIT: i know he was chop blocked in the auburn game. But why even play injured?

He played injured because he is a fricking WARRIOR. I grew up 10 minutes away from him and he went to our rival high school (Schools are literally 12 miles apart and both 5A schools) and he never takes plays off. He loves his team too much to sit down. While I think he hurt more than he helped playing injured, he had too much heart to sit on the bench.

[Bengals1690]

Look here, I will say it:

Ohio State wins, by 10 points.

Give me ONE impressive victory by LSU (Minus VATECH. But that was a different season as far as I am concerned). Every game has been down to the wire, and it has come back to bite them (SEE: Arkansas, Kentucky).

Ohio State has 3 probable 1st round draft picks on defense (Jenkins, Gholston and Laurinitus). And they also have Beanie Wells. Robiske and Hartline are decent enough for boeckman to throw to.

The big ten is NOT as bad as some think. FLA matched up PERFECTLY with tOSU. People seem to forget that Penn State beat TN and Wisconson beat Arkansas in bowl games last year, too. There is ONE team in the big ten with a losing record. ONE.

OSU has the best defense in the country. LSU has been absolutley terrible defensivley the last 3 games. And Ohio State can grind it out on the ground with a great running back and one of the top O-lines in the country.

OSU- 24-14.

[saintsfan912]

How is the VT win in a different season? The only thing different about that game for us is we were completely healthy for that game. None of the others we have been even close to that. I'm not gonna waste my time and point out the significant injuries because all you're gonna say is 'everybody has injuries'. That's fine. Let Gholston, Boekman and Robiskie miss significant time like Flynn, Dorsey and Doucet has and you tell me OSU would still be 11-1.

[nfrillman]

Originally Posted by Bengals1690

Look here, I will say it:

Ohio State wins, by 10 points.

Give me ONE impressive victory by LSU (Minus VATECH. But that was a different season as far as I am concerned). Every game has been down to the wire, and it has come back to bite them (SEE: Arkansas, Kentucky).

Ohio State has 3 probable 1st round draft picks on defense (Jenkins, Gholston and Laurinitus). And they also have Beanie Wells. Robiske and Hartline are decent enough for boeckman to throw to.

The big ten is NOT as bad as some think. FLA matched up PERFECTLY with tOSU. People seem to forget that Penn State beat TN and Wisconson beat Aubrn in bowl games last year, too. There is ONE team in the big ten with a losing record. ONE.

OSU has the best defense in the country. LSU has been absolutley terrible defensivley the last 3 games. And Ohio State can grind it out on the ground with a great running back and one of the top O-lines in the country.

OSU- 24-14.

A few problems with that logic.
1. Give me ONE impressive Ohio St victory.
2. The hardest game OOC the Big 10 played was Illinois losing to Missouri and Michigan losing to Oregon.
3. The records of some those "winning" record Big 10 OOC opponents (only D-1 schools)
- Wisconsin OOC opponents 9-27....played 1-AA school
- Penn State OCC opponents 13-35
- Iowa OCC opponents 12-36
- Indiana OCC opponents 16-20....played 1-AA school
- Michigan State OOC opponents 18-30
- Purdue OOC opponents 16-21....played 1-AA school
- Northwestern 11-25....played 1-AA schoool, lost to Duke
Combined record of those opponents 95-194

That my friend is why those "winning" teams in the Big 10 doesn't mean anything, and why no one respects the Big 10. They don't play anyone.

[Bengals1690]

Originally Posted by saintsfan912

How is the VT win in a different season? The only thing different about that game for us is we were completely healthy for that game. None of the others we have been even close to that. I'm not gonna waste my time and point out the significant injuries because all you're gonna say is 'everybody has injuries'. That's fine. Let Gholston, Boekman and Robiskie miss significant time like Flynn, Dorsey and Doucet has and you tell me OSU would still be 11-1.

Because, that was when LSU was playing elite football, and Vatech seemed completely lost that game. It was week two. It is what is called an abberation, a team for one reason or another not showing up for a game. And injuries happen. You have to play through them.

Again, give me ONE impressive victory for the bayou bengals, other than Vatech.

[Bengals1690]

Originally Posted by nfrillman

A few problems with that logic.
1. Give me ONE impressive Ohio St victory.
2. The hardest game OOC the Big 10 played was Illinois losing to Missouri and Michigan losing to Oregon.
3. The records of some those "winning" record Big 10 OOC opponents (only D-1 schools)
- Wisconsin OOC opponents 9-27....played 1-AA school
- Penn State OCC opponents 13-35
- Iowa OCC opponents 12-36
- Indiana OCC opponents 16-20....played 1-AA school
- Michigan State OOC opponents 18-30
- Purdue OOC opponents 16-21....played 1-AA school
- Northwestern 11-25....played 1-AA schoool, lost to Duke
Combined record of those opponents 95-194

That my friend is why those "winning" teams in the Big 10 doesn't mean anything, and why no one respects the Big 10. They don't play anyone.

Ohio State has actually beat...BEAT, not skated by, 4 ranked teams this year.

Ohio State has trouble with Spread offenses, you saw that first hand in the FLA game last year. Thats why Illinios beat them.

The SEC played 9 FCS schools this year, SEC played 25 mid major teams. The big 10 played 8 FCS teams and 23 mid major teams.

THe Big 10 went .700 against other BCS conferences, the SEC went .500.


And please, do the same research for the Sec's out of conference stats before you try to make an argument.

[yourfavestoner]

Originally Posted by Turtlepower

Fixed it for you.

Well, they have a reason to be in love with the SEC. It's actually a good conference. The Big Televen is absolute trash. The media is on their nuts all the time because ESPN televises Big Televen games. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why they're constantly pimping Big Televen teams and games. It creates higher ratings for them, which equates to more money (which is really what college football is all about).

[soybean]

Originally Posted by Bengals1690

Look here, I will say it:

Ohio State wins, by 10 points.

Give me ONE impressive victory by LSU (Minus VATECH. But that was a different season as far as I am concerned). Every game has been down to the wire, and it has come back to bite them (SEE: Arkansas, Kentucky).

Ohio State has 3 probable 1st round draft picks on defense (Jenkins, Gholston and Laurinitus). And they also have Beanie Wells. Robiske and Hartline are decent enough for boeckman to throw to.

The big ten is NOT as bad as some think. FLA matched up PERFECTLY with tOSU. People seem to forget that Penn State beat TN and Wisconson beat Arkansas in bowl games last year, too. There is ONE team in the big ten with a losing record. ONE.

OSU has the best defense in the country. LSU has been absolutley terrible defensivley the last 3 games. And Ohio State can grind it out on the ground with a great running back and one of the top O-lines in the country.

OSU- 24-14.

beanie wells is a true stud but the thing I'm looking at is, no one runningback had their way with LSU, except one. I know wells can very well reach his level in the next year I just don't see it this year.

same can be said for Ohio state. but i think i would take the LSU trio against the ohio state d over beanie wells against the LSU d.

it'll be a close low scoring game im guessing.

[Namy]

Ugh. Neither LSU or OSU are the best teams in the country. However, between these two teams, I like LSU better. LSU just as played better teams all year, and I think that extra grit will definitely help them. I don't see tOSU getting blown out tho. I see it being close for three quarters and LSU pulling away in the fourth.

Even tho both teams are great defensive teams, I see it being a high scoring game... partly because I forsee a lot of turnovers. Neither QB is very good while both have good run games.

[soybean]

i don't know who to root for, i don't like either teams and wish both could lose. I really wish oklahoma was in the game.

[YAYareaRB]

Originally Posted by Bengals1690

Ohio State has actually beat...BEAT, not skated by, 4 ranked teams this year.

Sorry, I'm having trouble finding those teams could you list 'em with ranking they had at the time they got beat...BEAT.

[saintsfan912]

Originally Posted by soybean

i don't know who to root for, i don't like either teams and wish both could lose. I really wish oklahoma was in the game.

Yea, the same Oklahoma team that lost to Colorado and Texas Tech huh?

[saintsfan912]

Originally Posted by Bengals1690

Because, that was when LSU was playing elite football, and Vatech seemed completely lost that game. It was week two. It is what is called an abberation, a team for one reason or another not showing up for a game. And injuries happen. You have to play through them.

Again, give me ONE impressive victory for the bayou bengals, other than Vatech.

I guess beating Florida and the best QB in the nation isn't impressive? We didn't beat them bad but a win is a win against Tebow.

I guess beating overrated Michigan is considered an impressive victory for you huh? Maybe it was that 20-2 thrashing of Akron, was that it? See, LSU beat teams in the top 10, not just the top 21-25 like OSU did.

[keylime_5]

Originally Posted by soybean

beanie wells is a true stud but the thing I'm looking at is, no one runningback had their way with LSU, except one. I know wells can very well reach his level in the next year I just don't see it this year.

same can be said for Ohio state. but i think i would take the LSU trio against the ohio state d over beanie wells against the LSU d.

it'll be a close low scoring game im guessing.

Not to argue any points except one: Beanie has been on fire since the Michigan State game. Before that he was kinda slowed by injuries. Little known fact that Beanie has played pretty much the entire year with a broken hand and a bum ankle. It is not gonna be easy by any stretch for LSU to slow down big Beanie Wells- all 6-2/235 of him and his 4.45 speed. That will be another fun matchup to monitor next month.

[soybean]

Originally Posted by saintsfan912

Yea, the same Oklahoma team that lost to Colorado and Texas Tech huh?

alright i admit their D looked pretty bad against Texas Tech and I didn't see the Colorado game but watching them play Missouri, I really thought they are/were the best team in the nation. Sam Bradford is a star in the making and they got so many offensive weapons, it's hard to deny them.

[YAYareaRB]

Originally Posted by keylime_5

Not to argue any points except one: Beanie has been on fire since the Michigan State game.

Through that stretch he's played a handful of overrated defenses.