The Correct 2007 Pro Bowl Ballot - Page 5

Brent · 12-10-2007, 09:49 AM

I'll probably get flamed for this but I wouldn't put Sean Taylor on there. Even before he was injured, and then subsequently killed, it wasn't like he was having a Pro Bowl season.

Anyway, if Patrick Willis doesn't go, it's a tragedy.

Wootylicous · 12-10-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BrentN

I'll probably get flamed for this but I wouldn't put Sean Taylor on there. Even before he was injured, and then subsequently killed, it wasn't like he was having a Pro Bowl season.

Anyway, if Patrick Willis doesn't go, it's a tragedy.

He was having a pro bowl season...

9 games : 42 tackles, 9 PDef, 5 INT, 1 FF

Jughead10 · 12-10-2007, 10:05 AM

AFC players listed first. This list is a mix of who I think deserves it and who I think will make it. Some guys who are probably more deserving will always get left off. This is what I think will actually be.

QBs: Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Farve, Romo, Hasselbeck
RBs: Tomlinson, Parker, Addai, Adrian Peterson, Westbrook, (toss up between Portis and James, honestly no other NFC RB has impressed)
WR: Moss, Wayne, Braylon, Chad Johnson, Owens, Fitzgerald, Plax, Jennings
TE: Gates, Gonzalez, Witten, Cooley
OT: Peters, Light, McNeil (Although I'm not so sure he deserves it this year, just had a hard time putting someone else in over him), Walter Jones, McKinnie, Adams
OG: Mankins, Steinbech, Faneca, Hutchinson, Davis, Andrews
C: Saturday, Hardwick, Gurode, Birk

DE: Jared Allen, Mario Williams, Jason Taylor, Patrick Kerney, Aaron Kampman, Osi Umenyiora
DT: Haynesworth, Hampton, Seymour (3rd DT was tough, I think Seymour gets in on name despite missing the beginning of season), Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Dockett
OLB: Vrabel, Bulluck, Merriman (I guess he makes it, although I hate giving it to him), Ware, Dansby, Boley or Sims (Can't decide)
ILB: Ryans, Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Tatupu (although I have a feeling Urlacher could sneak in undeservingly this year)
CB: Champ Bailey, Samuel, Cromartie, Al Harris, Terrence Newman, Woodson
S: Sanders, Reed, Sean Jones, Dawkins, Roy Williams (this kills me), Sean Taylor (he will get voted in, don't know who will replace him, no one really stands out to me)

K: Graham, Gould,
P: Lechler, Andy Lee
KR: Washington, Hester
ST: I'm not even going to speculate for the NFC but I'd guess the Izzo makes it on the Pats.

Jughead10 · 12-10-2007, 10:15 AM

Looking back on my list, I don't have any Jaguars or Buccaneers I believe. Those are two playoff teams. But I'm not really sure who from those teams I'd put in and if I did who I would take out instead.

Xonraider · 12-10-2007, 10:19 AM

No Nnamdi Asomugha? They throw like none of the passes his way.

Jughead10 · 12-10-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Xonraider

No Nnamdi Asomugha? They throw like none of the passes his way.

He could but their is too much name power in the AFC. Champ will make it because he is Champ regardless. Samuel plays for the 13-0 Pats and is having a great season. And Cromartie has a rediculous amount of picks. Its going to be tough for him.

YAYareaRB · 12-10-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

S: Sanders, Reed, Sean Jones, Dawkins, Roy Williams (this kills me), Sean Taylor (he will get voted in, don't know who will replace him, no one really stands out to me)

No Homer, but I think Michael Lewis should make it to the pro bowl. I know TACKLES aren't a big stat for DBs being so far behind the line of scrimmage, but for argumentitive purposes he is leading DBs in tackles. Him and Patrick Willis have been lone bright spots on the whole team.

Jughead10 · 12-10-2007, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by YAYareaRB

No Homer, but I think Michael Lewis should make it to the pro bowl. I know TACKLES aren't a big stat for DBs being so far behind the line of scrimmage, but for argumentitive purposes he is leading DBs in tackles. Him and Patrick Willis have been lone bright spots on the whole team.

I doubt it. Maybe if the 49ers were anything other than horrible. I know that really shouldn't matter. But it does. Of course it is all opinion, but I gave the 49ers two pro bowlers, which is two more than I gave two playoff teams.

nobodyinparticular · 12-10-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kmartin575

Why does Winslow deserve it over Gonzalez?

Tony Gonzalez-79 receptions, 954 yards, 5 touchdowns
Kellen Winslow- 69 receptions, 943 yard, 5 touchdowns

I see no reason for Winslow to be in there over Gonzalez.

...pwnt...

drowe · 12-10-2007, 02:09 PM

very nice to see people listing Chad Clifton. he's been anchoring that o-line for years and i'd love to see him make a pro bowl.

JK17 · 12-10-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kmartin575

If anything the widespread use of the 3-4 is unfair for 4-3 linebackers. 3-4 linebackers get the hype because of all the sacks they get while great 4-3 linebackers who do their job just as well don't get the hype.

And sorry bud but the majority of the league runs the 4-3 hence why that defense is run in the pro bowl.

When you earn the sacks as a 3-4 linebacker, and are an impact player in the run game, I don't see what the problem is, you just have to judge whose overall more effective....besides I think he was just remarking on it being weird seeing those guys in 4-3 roles rather then complaining about the lack of the 3-4 in the pro bowl.

And there are a lot of teams that run the 3-4....

Shiver · 12-10-2007, 02:41 PM

Here is the ballot I just put in:

QB (AFC)

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
David Garrard

QB (NFC)

Tony Romo
Brett Favre
Matt Hasselbeck

RB (AFC)

LaDainian Tomlinson
Joseph Addai
Willis McGahee

RB (NFC)

Adrian Peterson
Brian Westbrook
Earnest Graham

WR (AFC)

Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Braylon Edwards
Brandon Marshall

WR (NFC)

Terrell Owens
Plaxico Burress
Larry Fitzgerald
Roddy White

FB (AFC)

Lorenzo Neal

FB (NFC)

Tony Richardson

TE (AFC)

Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzalez

TE (NFC)

Jason Witten
Chris Cooley

OT (AFC)

Jason Peters
Joe Thomas
Michael Roos

OT (NFC)

Chad Clifton
Bryant McKinnie
Walter Jones

OG (AFC)

Alan Fanacea
Brian Waters
Logan Mankins

OG (NFC)

Leonard Davis
Steve Hutchinson
Chris Snee

OC (AFC)

Dam Koppen
Jeff Saturday

OC (NFC)

Olin Kreutz
Andre Gurode

DE (AFC)

Jared Allen
Mario Williams
Kyle Vanden Bosch

DE (NFC)

Osi Umenyiora
Aaron Kampman
Patrick Kerney

DT (AFC)

Albert Haynesworth
Casey Hampton
Haloti Ngata

DT (NFC)

Pat Williams
Kevin Williams
Darnell Dockett

OLB (AFC)

Derrick Johnson
James Harrison
Keith Bulluck

OLB (NFC)

Michael Boley
Demarcus Ware
Rocky McIntosh

ILB (AFC)

Ray Lewis
Demeco Ryans

ILB (NFC)

Brian Urlacher
Barrett Ruud

CB (AFC)

Nnamdi Asomugha
Asante Samuel
Antonio Cromartie

CB (NFC)

Marcus Trufant
DeAngelo Hall
Nate Clements

SS (AFC)

Kerry Rhodes

SS (NFC)

Adrian Wilson

FS (AFC)

Ed Reed

FS (NFC)

Sean Taylor

K (AFC)

Rob Bironas

K (NFC)

Jason Hanson

P (AFC)

Brian Moorman

P (NFC)

Matt McBriar

RS (AFC)

Joshua Cribbs

RS (NFC)

Devin Hester

ST (AFC)

Kassim Osgood

ST (NFC)

Ayanbadejo, Brendon

Raven Domination · 12-10-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tylerb929

Addai should make it, and Saturday is a lock.

More intriguing is the fact that Dallas Clark leads all TEs in TD catches, he could possibly beat out Tony Gonzalez for the AFC.

Addai should make it based on what? Yea, he has 11 TDs...when he was given the ball on the goaline. His longest run is only 23 yards...and he only has TWO 20+ yarders. Which means his TDs aren't a reflection of his dominant running as much as you may think. I mean, he's a very good RB...but Willis McGahee has consistently been in the Top 3-5 in the NFL ALL YEAR. He's also done more with a lot less help in the porous Baltimore offense. He also hasn't even broken 1,000 yards yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if McGahee gets snubbed though...

Jughead10 · 12-10-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven Domination

Addai should make it based on what? Yea, he has 11 TDs...when he was given the ball on the goaline. His longest run is only 23 yards...and he only has TWO 20+ yarders. Which means his TDs aren't a reflection of his dominant running as much as you may think. I mean, he's a very good RB...but Willis McGahee has consistently been in the Top 3-5 in the NFL ALL YEAR. He's also done more with a lot less help in the porous Baltimore offense. He also hasn't even broken 1,000 yards yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if McGahee gets snubbed though...

Who cares about two 20+ yarders. Addai averages 4.1 ypc, McGahee 4.2. The difference is nothing. Add that to the fact that Addai has more TDs and is the better receiver than McGahee, not to mention he plays on a team worth mentioning and he will get in before him.

Raven Domination · 12-10-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jughead10

Who cares about two 20+ yarders. Addai averages 4.1 ypc, McGahee 4.2. The difference is nothing. Add that to the fact that Addai has more TDs and is the better receiver than McGahee, not to mention he plays on a team worth mentioning and he will get in before him.

Addai's TDs are NOT a reflection of him pounding the ball...I've already said that. He's given the ball on the goaline a lot...just like yesterday against the Ravens. 20+ and 40+ yarders are a reflection of how strong of a runner you are and how often you break for big gains. I also think that the fact that McGahee plays on the Ravens offense is a POSITIVE, because like I said he's been Top 3-5 with a struggling team which says more about his ability. Addai plays with the Manning offense and is still only slighty behind Willis.

McGahee>Addai

Raven Domination · 12-10-2007, 03:35 PM

Also, if Rudi Johnson was on track to having a 1,500 yard season with 13 TDs...would you not vote him in because he's on a team that is not going to the Playoffs? That's goofy logic, the Pro Bowl is about individual success at their positions...not how good their team was (though we all know it doesn't always play out like that which is why I said I wouldn't be surprised if McGahee got snubbed).

Wootylicous · 12-10-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven Domination

Addai's TDs are NOT a reflection of him pounding the ball...I've already said that. He's given the ball on the goaline a lot...just like yesterday against the Ravens. 20+ and 40+ yarders are a reflection of how strong of a runner you are and how often you break for big gains. I also think that the fact that McGahee plays on the Ravens offense is a POSITIVE, because like I said he's been Top 3-5 with a struggling team which says more about his ability. Addai plays with the Manning offense and is still only slighty behind Willis.

McGahee>Addai

Way to be objective...

tylerb929 · 12-10-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven Domination

Addai's TDs are NOT a reflection of him pounding the ball...I've already said that. He's given the ball on the goaline a lot...just like yesterday against the Ravens. 20+ and 40+ yarders are a reflection of how strong of a runner you are and how often you break for big gains. I also think that the fact that McGahee plays on the Ravens offense is a POSITIVE, because like I said he's been Top 3-5 with a struggling team which says more about his ability. Addai plays with the Manning offense and is still only slighty behind Willis.

McGahee>Addai

"Addai plays with the Manning offense", exactly, defenses play the pass and put lots of men deep. Its hard to break off 20+ runs when safeties play so far off the line. When your QB sucks (as in the Ravens case), people stack the line and occasionaly if you get through the wall of defenders you can break a big one.

Raven Domination · 12-10-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tylerb929

"Addai plays with the Manning offense", exactly, defenses play the pass and put lots of men deep. Its hard to break off 20+ runs when safeties play so far off the line. When your QB sucks (as in the Ravens case), people stack the line and occasionaly if you get through the wall of defenders you can break a big one.

Ummm...defenses playing deep should HELP Addai's numbers, not hurt them. When defenders stack the line, it means you should get LESS yards...not more.

Jughead10 · 12-10-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven Domination

Addai's TDs are NOT a reflection of him pounding the ball...I've already said that. He's given the ball on the goaline a lot...just like yesterday against the Ravens. 20+ and 40+ yarders are a reflection of how strong of a runner you are and how often you break for big gains. I also think that the fact that McGahee plays on the Ravens offense is a POSITIVE, because like I said he's been Top 3-5 with a struggling team which says more about his ability. Addai plays with the Manning offense and is still only slighty behind Willis.

McGahee>Addai

You could look at it on the other side. If Addai isn't breaking the long gains, and basically has the same YPC, he then isn't getting stopped for short gains either. Also I'm not neccesarily in favor of Addai making it because he is on the Colts, but that is what happens. Addai is on the second best team in the AFC, he'll make it over McGahee who is on a brutal Ravens team.

MaxV · 12-10-2007, 04:23 PM

For all of those that are saying that Addai isn't breaking enough of long runs, keep in mind that a stretch play is a VERY slow developing play.

It's very difficult to break a big one when the defenders have time to get to the line.

I'm not complaining though, since it is an EXCELLENT play-action play.

gsorace · 12-10-2007, 05:10 PM

Why can't Addai and McGahee both make it? They should both be in over Willie Parker.

Jughead10 · 12-10-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by gsorace

Why can't Addai and McGahee both make it? They should both be in over Willie Parker.

It's hard to keep the NFL's leading rusher out of the Pro Bowl when he is on a good team.

jetsfan0099 · 12-10-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiver

Here is the ballot I just put in:

QB (AFC)

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
David Garrard

QB (NFC)

Tony Romo
Brett Favre
Matt Hasselbeck

RB (AFC)

LaDainian Tomlinson
Joseph Addai
Willis McGahee

RB (NFC)

Adrian Peterson
Brian Westbrook
Earnest Graham

WR (AFC)

Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Braylon Edwards
Brandon Marshall

WR (NFC)

Terrell Owens
Plaxico Burress
Larry Fitzgerald
Roddy White

FB (AFC)

Lorenzo Neal

FB (NFC)

Tony Richardson

TE (AFC)

Antonio Gates
Tony Gonzalez

TE (NFC)

Jason Witten
Chris Cooley

OT (AFC)

Jason Peters
Joe Thomas
Michael Roos

OT (NFC)

Chad Clifton
Bryant McKinnie
Walter Jones

OG (AFC)

Alan Fanacea
Brian Waters
Logan Mankins

OG (NFC)

Leonard Davis
Steve Hutchinson
Chris Snee

OC (AFC)

Dam Koppen
Jeff Saturday

OC (NFC)

Olin Kreutz
Andre Gurode

DE (AFC)

Jared Allen
Mario Williams
Kyle Vanden Bosch

DE (NFC)

Osi Umenyiora
Aaron Kampman
Patrick Kerney

DT (AFC)

Albert Haynesworth
Casey Hampton
Haloti Ngata

DT (NFC)

Pat Williams
Kevin Williams
Darnell Dockett

OLB (AFC)

Derrick Johnson
James Harrison
Keith Bulluck

OLB (NFC)

Michael Boley
Demarcus Ware
Rocky McIntosh

ILB (AFC)

Ray Lewis
Demeco Ryans

ILB (NFC)

Brian Urlacher
Barrett Ruud

CB (AFC)

Nnamdi Asomugha
Asante Samuel
Antonio Cromartie

CB (NFC)

Marcus Trufant
DeAngelo Hall
Nate Clements

SS (AFC)

Kerry Rhodes

SS (NFC)

Adrian Wilson

FS (AFC)

Ed Reed

FS (NFC)

Sean Taylor

K (AFC)

Rob Bironas

K (NFC)

Jason Hanson

P (AFC)

Brian Moorman

P (NFC)

Matt McBriar

RS (AFC)

Joshua Cribbs

RS (NFC)

Devin Hester

ST (AFC)

Kassim Osgood

ST (NFC)

Ayanbadejo, Brendon

Your the man!! Kerry Rhodes baby!!

umphrey · 12-10-2007, 08:31 PM

I'll be interested to see who makes it for the Packers.

We have a lot of fringe players like:
Barnett
Hawk
Driver
Jennings
Woodson
Harris
Clifton
Tauscher

All those guys are within 1-2 players of getting in IMO and most probably won't.

Favre and Kampman are the only locks.

Anyone think Ryan Grant has a chance? He brought our running game from worst in the league until week 8 to best in the league since.