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Old 02-20-2007, 12:14 AM    (permalink
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http://www.mymockdraft.com/2162/Review.aspx

ve spent the last 4 months on here ripping others drafts. Time for you to nit pick-a-part mine.
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Whilst I like the Bucs 2nd and 3rd rounders the first pick is terrible. Why would they pass up a franchise LT?
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Rams picks

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Old 02-20-2007, 12:18 AM    (permalink
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It was during the senior bowl practices that Gruden fell in love with the 19 year old Okoye. Tampa has a standing history of being a "hard nosed" football team. When McFarland and Sapp left...they left a gapping hole that has has a band aid on it named Chris Hovan. Being a Viking fan, I know how useless #99 is. The Bucs have an aging D.Brooks / R. Barber and if are to make any push next year to contend for the NFC South (a division they should finish no worse than 2nd IMO)..they need to do it
by going back to what they were. A Ball control team with it's superstars on D.

I actually like the Bucs to move down in round 1 over any other team.
The trouble will be finding a buyer.
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Whilst I like the Bucs 2nd and 3rd rounders the first pick is terrible. Why would they pass up a franchise LT?
Because Amobi is t3h shizzle.



...but I do agree. CJ>Thomas>Okoye
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I don't like the round three pick. Other than that, not bad for Atlanta.
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That's probably one of the worst I've seen to date. You rip other people? You have no room to talk at all man, not after that debacle!

Just a few things....Gaines won't go number two, they are rumored to like him, but only if a trade down happens, if they stay put, it's probably thomas. Woodley is no longer a first rounder, some even question if he is still a first day guy. And I sincerely doubt that the bucs would go with Okoye at 4. They are rumored to love him and even with all the hype, that may be a little too high. I think in the end he will be the first DT taken, and the bucs could very well take him, but it would be more likely if they traded down. But in that situation where Calvin is gone... it COULD happen. But then again, Calvin at number 1 ...won't!
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:27 AM    (permalink
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That's probably one of the worst I've seen to date. You rip other people? You have no room to talk at all man, not after that debacle!

Just a few things....Gaines won't go number two, they are rumored to like him, but only if a trade down happens, if they stay put, it's probably thomas. Woodley is no longer a first rounder, some even question if he is still a first day guy. And I sincerely doubt that the bucs would go with Okoye at 4. They are rumored to love him and even with all the hype, that may be a little too high. I think in the end he will be the first DT taken, and the bucs could very well take him, but it would be more likely if they traded down. But in that situation where Calvin is gone... it COULD happen. But then again, Calvin at number 1 ...won't!
Gaines very well could (and IMO SHOULD) go #2. The Lions have spent alot of money in Backus and although Joe Thomas would help...would it REALLY make the Lions an overall better team ? The answer is no.
Shaun Rogers has wasted away premier talent in Detroit with absolute zero help. He's triple teamed and their ends STILL can't manage to find a way to get pressure on QB's. Gaines Adams is the premier D-Lineman in the draft. I expect him to explode during the combine and solidify himself as a top 4 prospect in the draft. It's childish and immature to say "he won't" ...when that is an opinion...just like this mock, is mine.

Oh and the #1 prospect will go #1 in the draft...yeah, really far fetched for that to happen :roll:
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I don't like the round three pick. Other than that, not bad for Atlanta.
It was either McBean or MeBane.
DT IMO is a must in round 3 for the Falcons. I believe McBean has a "nastier" streak in him than does any of the next 3 DT's in my rankings.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:41 AM    (permalink
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1st :D
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why would we pass up kalil if he dropped to the 3rd? . he has connections to kiffin(usc). i like abiamiri but we could go for a pass rushing DE or run stuffing DT in the 4th. great 1st. good 2nd. i think staley would be better because he is a OT, sears is a OT/G and we have no need for a G. overall i will take it because we got the best player in the draft and addressed the oline
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:44 AM    (permalink
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I don't think that Adam Carriker falls out of the first.
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As for the Cards picks:

1. Great pick.

2. Bad pick. Gerald Hayes played great at MLB. On the other hand Orlando Huff sucked it up at SLB. Rufus Alexander would be a great pick here.

3. Great pick.
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Love Okoye to the Bucs. If the Raider pick Calvin I think they pick him...although I do think that they would take Joe Thomas over him if he's there (not that he will be)...A few critiques in my quick glance over

1. Like I was saying, IF Joe Thomas is there. My point, no way in hell does Detroit pass him up, especially not for Gaines Adams who is a LONG way from being worth a no. 2 pick overall.
2. Drew Stanton at 14??? I dunno. He is gonna have to blow some people away to even be considered 1st round material. He didnt do anything great at the senior bowl, so he's off to a bad start if hes looking to follow Jay Cutlers footsteps. Why would the Panthers take him in the 1st? Tell me what team would take him before their 2nd rounder?
3. Raiders need a RT badly and Aaron Sears is not that guy, he is an OG. I cant see them passing on Staley for Sears, especially considering how much better Staley fits into the ZBS than Sears.
4. Buster Davis to the Cards? Gerald Hayes is coming off a great season. MLB will not be adressed day 1, probably not at all in the draft. They have plenty of bigger needs, FS, OL, DL, CB...
5. I dont really see Jon Beason fitting into a 3-4 defense too well. Hes not really a MLB and he's not big enough to play OLB in the 3-4. He might be able to pull it off, but the Pats would be more likely to pick one of the many LBs who fit into the 3-4 well...Moss, Spencer, Poz...
6. Pittock to the Jets I dont like b/c Pittock doesnt really fit into the 3-4.
7. Cincinatti has enough weapons on offense, they dont need a top pass-catching TE like Olsen. They're gonna want a TE who can block well and is a reliable receiver. And I dont see them adressing TE round 1, more like round 2 or 3, maybe even day 2. They need to go defense, specifically DB round 1.
8. Woodley is not a first round value and considering the Colts problems at LB and DT and the fact that they franchised Freeney theyre not gonna spend a first rounder on another undersized pass-rusher.
9. Adam Carriker slipped to middle round 1? I dont see any way he slips out of the top half of round 1 to be honest. 300 lb DE with good athleticism and pass-rushing ability who is expected to run in the 4.8s? There are a number of teams in the first round who will not pass on him under any circumstance...Jets for one and you have them passing on him not once but TWICE
10. Would love the Raiders to get Abiamiri in the third but I really dont see him falling that far....

Alright thats enough for now, although there are a lot more picks in here that dont make sense at all...honestly, this is a pretty awful mock. You just have a lot of players that dont make sense for teams, whether it be team need or schemes or whatever. For someone who admittedly rips peoples mocks all the time, this is a pretty dissapointing.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:33 AM    (permalink
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not too bad for the steelers, i dont see us taking a cb at all in day one though, let alone the first round. we have 3 starting-caliber cbs in taylor, mcfadden, and townsend. I would rather see a lb, o-lineman, or even de with this pick. not bad though, very interesting.
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Flat out worst Giants draft I have seen. We have too many holes to fill on defense to use our first round pick on a RB, give us Paul P or John Beason there.

Once again we have too many holes on defense to use a second round pick on Joe Staley, give us Aaron Ross there.

After we took Lynch in the first round why would we take Leonard in the 3rd??? That makes no sense at all, the FB in the NFL today is supposed to block and catch once in a while. Leonard will be a HB. Give us Tim Duckworth there.

So you get an F.
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Knowning that your a Viking fan and who you like not surprised about the first pick. Quinn would be the face of the Franchise and would probably help the team out in the season. I do like the Second round pick with Meachem. He would help out the Vikings very much but I think he might be gone to SD or before. Another WR that could help us out if the Vikings dont go WR in FA.

I think the Mock is good, But Different. Like Drew Stanton first round.
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My mock took less consideration into the style of player that they were in college and where I see their skills being utilized by their team.
I personally don't see Sears as a guard at all...if anything he'll be a RT and not a LT. But he's to big and long to play guard (IMO)

My eyes are burning and I'm trying to see all the responses before I have to get up before work....I threw a lot of players in who I feel will rise or players who could fall.

The biggest (and most obvious ones) are Carriker and Stanton.
Stanton has a good arm and the reason I have him up higher is I think he'll pull away from Kolb and Smith to grab that 3rd best QB slot.
If tha happens there are still 3 teams that almost have to position to pretend they'll grab him, or actually take him.

I'll comment on more tomorow...keep em comin' ...I ripped for 4 months I expect to see at least 2 pages full of these picks tommorow afternoon !
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My mock took less consideration into the style of player that they were in college and where I see their skills being utilized by their team.
I personally don't see Sears as a guard at all...if anything he'll be a RT and not a LT. But he's to big and long to play guard (IMO)

My eyes are burning and I'm trying to see all the responses before I have to get up before work....I threw a lot of players in who I feel will rise or players who could fall.

The biggest (and most obvious ones) are Carriker and Stanton.
Stanton has a good arm and the reason I have him up higher is I think he'll pull away from Kolb and Smith to grab that 3rd best QB slot.
If tha happens there are still 3 teams that almost have to position to pretend they'll grab him, or actually take him.

I'll comment on more tomorow...keep em comin' ...I ripped for 4 months I expect to see at least 2 pages full of these picks tommorow afternoon !
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aight some more for you....

1. 1st off, in response to Sears, he is 6'4'', 320, how is that too big for an OG? That is ideal weight. On the contrary, I dont believe he has the athleticism to play on the perimeter in the NFL and will have to play OG...And he certainly doesn't have the quickness or athleticism to play OT in a ZBS.
2. Like the other guy said about the Steelers, CB isn't 1st round need, not even really a 1st day need. They need help on their front 7 on D, OL and at HB much more. No way do they pass on Timmons for Hall.
3. You seem to have put some thought into have Carriker fall that far...You had better have a good explanation because it seems ludicrous to me. If anything, I think his stock is soaring, not freefalling.
4. The reason Cutler went 11 last year wasnt because he was the number 3 QB. It was because he was so impressive in workouts he had a lot of scouts rating him AHEAD of Vince and Leinart. Stanton may be the number 3 QB, but theres still no way he goes any earlier than round 2, probably round 2 to the Panthers is his ceiling. Stanton is nowhere near as good a QB as Russell/Quinn and simply wont get a first round grade and the Panthers wont be passing on guys like Lawrence Timmons and Reggie Nelson for Stanton.
5. Dolphins will be running a 3-4 and at 235 lbs, I dont really think Earl Everett fits into that. He is fit to be a WLB in a 4-3.
6. Anthony Waters mid round 2?
7. Marcus Thomas round 2???? He's got almost no shot of even going day 8. Just cuz he is a character concern doesnt mean Cincinatti will seek him out. If anything, Cincy will be trying to stay away from those type of players after this past year.
9. Joel Newton round 2? Plus TE is really not a big need for the Bears, especially not one they would reach on Newton for. Desmond Clark has been excellent.
10. Like the other guy said, the Giants aren't about to use 2 first day picks on backs. If Lynch falls to them I agree they cant pass him up, but they dont use their 3rd on Leonard, they have way too many needs to do that. Besides, Leonard wont last that long anyways.
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1. 1st off, in response to Sears, he is 6'4'', 320, how is that too big for an OG? That is ideal weight. On the contrary, I dont believe he has the athleticism to play on the perimeter in the NFL and will have to play OG...And he certainly doesn't have the quickness or athleticism to play OT in a ZBS.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...rronsears.html
Scott , like many articles I've read, talk about his quickness. When I saw Tennessee play (and payed attention to the line) the 1 guy I noticed that looked quick for his size was Sears. His quickness is his best attribute, then his ability to lock on (hands /arms) and will be a very good tackle.
He played guard too...but because of his size and speed, I just see him as a tackle. Guards don't have to be as talented (which is why they're usually payed less) and they're easier to find than a guy who has a chance to be a stud on the outside.

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2. Like the other guy said about the Steelers, CB isn't 1st round need, not even really a 1st day need. They need help on their front 7 on D, OL and at HB much more. No way do they pass on Timmons for Hall.
I like Timmons to and believe he's one of the more under the radar guys who has a real chance to make an impact this year. However..Townsend
has underperformed and alot of people think he could move to FS.
If that happens then they'll have 2 good LCB's and no one on the right side worth much (IMO). Plus at 15 a guy who could be a solid Tampa 2 cover corner (Tomlin was brought in for a reason...his success with the Tampa 2 and I expect the Steelers to play some form of it under his tenure) is to hard to pass on. Leon Hall at 15 is a blessing..not a curse.


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3. You seem to have put some thought into have Carriker fall that far...You had better have a good explanation because it seems ludicrous to me. If anything, I think his stock is soaring, not freefalling.
Let's be honest, before the Senior Bowl I don't think to many people were THAT high on Carriker. I think he turned heads but a bad combine will turn them back around. I could've very easily put him where I have Charles Johnson going [21st round 1 to Denver] and honestly believe that whoever has the better combine of the 2 will be the pick there.
The other will free fall. DE is a deep position and it could very likely happen.


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4. The reason Cutler went 11 last year wasnt because he was the number 3 QB. It was because he was so impressive in workouts he had a lot of scouts rating him AHEAD of Vince and Leinart. Stanton may be the number 3 QB, but theres still no way he goes any earlier than round 2, probably round 2 to the Panthers is his ceiling. Stanton is nowhere near as good a QB as Russell/Quinn and simply wont get a first round grade and the Panthers wont be passing on guys like Lawrence Timmons and Reggie Nelson for Stanton.
There are at least 5 teams that absolutly will look to QB. Regardless
of how "bad" they may perform during the combine it's highly unlikely that the top 3 don't get taken round 1. I wouldn't be suprised if all top 5 got taken day 1. QB is the 1 position where there isn't always 4 guys to choose from. Next years QB crop will be 1 person deep (Brohm) and even he has a ton of question marks. I'm not convinced that he'd have been the 3rd QB gone this year, but that's a different topic.
The QB to the Panthers is because Jake Delhome might as well wear #16 on his back and be Jake Plummer the 2nd. he's erratic and inconsistent and he's not a spring chicken. Stanton is a strong armed kid whose faced tough competition and put up decent games. Once the combine starts his strong arm will have people remembering Jay Cutler (not comparing him) but because of Cutler's early career success the Panthers just can't hold back and hope Delhome gets better..they have to take steps to make sure the teams future doesn't spiral out of control with another mid season mindmeltdown. They need better options. And the Panthers won't be able to live down passing on him , especially if he goes to say a baltimore and has decent success.

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5. Dolphins will be running a 3-4 and at 235 lbs, I dont really think Earl Everett fits into that. He is fit to be a WLB in a 4-3.
And I feel that Everett's skill will allow him to play either. He's faster than given credit for and has decent cover skills. The only set I wouldn't like him in would be a cover 2.

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It's a reach, but again most drafts now are basing the skills they saw against what ? I think Waters will have a fine combine...2 might be high, he is probably a 3rd round guy right now..but hey, with a quick 40 and
he'll jump up boards. (1 CB does every year).

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7. Marcus Thomas round 2???? He's got almost no shot of even going day 8. Just cuz he is a character concern doesnt mean Cincinatti will seek him out. If anything, Cincy will be trying to stay away from those type of players after this past year.
This was just a monkey wrench. Cincy is the hardest team to draft for. On Paper they have almost no holes. even their depth is solid. And "on paper" they should've been facing the Colts in the AFC championship. It's character and effort that keeps them from reaching that next plateau as a team. Hard to mock for a team like that.

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9. Joel Newton round 2? Plus TE is really not a big need for the Bears, especially not one they would reach on Newton for. Desmond Clark has been excellent.
Again, just like Cincy the playoff teams are hardest to get a feel for. Newton wouldn't step in right away but Clark has a history of being hurt (this year was an exception) ...but no team can
or would turn it's back on a chance to get deeper at their shallowest positions.

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10. Like the other guy said, the Giants aren't about to use 2 first day picks on backs. If Lynch falls to them I agree they cant pass him up, but they dont use their 3rd on Leonard, they have way too many needs to do that. Besides, Leonard wont last that long anyways.
I was floored when I read "MAJOR holes" when talking about the Giants....ummm they did make the playoffs didn't they ? Which means there weren't that many holes on either side. annnnyway.
Barber is retired and it's foolish to think the Giants can go into next year with only Brandon Jacobs able to carry more than 10 times a game.
I won't appologize for the M.L. Pick , not only because it makes sense ...but because it'd be ludicris to pass on him for more talent on D (or elsewhere) when the hole at RB is big enough for 2 guys.
Jim Finn is garbage and Leonard is an immediate upgrade.....could they have used a player to contend for a different spot ? of course.
But is Leonard a horrible pick considering the value he'd give a Jacobs and Lynch combo ? ...not in the least. In fact ...I'm curious.
Where are these GIANT holes of which you speak ?
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At least you are showing you have some rationale for these picks, not that I am sold...

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Scott , like many articles I've read, talk about his quickness. When I saw Tennessee play (and payed attention to the line) the 1 guy I noticed that looked quick for his size was Sears. His quickness is his best attribute, then his ability to lock on (hands /arms) and will be a very good tackle.
He played guard too...but because of his size and speed, I just see him as a tackle. Guards don't have to be as talented (which is why they're usually payed less) and they're easier to find than a guy who has a chance to be a stud on the outside.
I agree about his quickness, but IMO, he is a guy who I would call very quick for an OG. Move him to OT and he won't seem as quick and Im pretty sure I saw Scott saying somewhere how he didnt believe Sears really projects to OT at the pro level. he might be able to make it as a RT somewhere, but I dont think in the ZBS. I think he could be a good OG in the ZBS b/c of his short area quickness, but OG isnt nearly as big a need as OT and thats why I like Staley, who is simply ideal for the ZBS and ideal for the Raiders.

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I like Timmons to and believe he's one of the more under the radar guys who has a real chance to make an impact this year. However..Townsend
has underperformed and alot of people think he could move to FS.
If that happens then they'll have 2 good LCB's and no one on the right side worth much (IMO). Plus at 15 a guy who could be a solid Tampa 2 cover corner (Tomlin was brought in for a reason...his success with the Tampa 2 and I expect the Steelers to play some form of it under his tenure) is to hard to pass on. Leon Hall at 15 is a blessing..not a curse.
I dont think Hall is nearly as big a steal as youre making him out to be. I cant even think of anyone ahead of Pittsburgh (maybe BUF, but I doubt it) that will realistically use their pick on him. He might not even be the top CB by draft day. And I dunno about your rationale about 2 good LCB, im sure either Taylor or McFadden, who are both extremely solid starters, can make the switch to RCB. I haven't known CBs to have a hard time switching from one side to the other. A lot of teams have their CBs frequently switching sides throughout the game.

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Let's be honest, before the Senior Bowl I don't think to many people were THAT high on Carriker. I think he turned heads but a bad combine will turn them back around. I could've very easily put him where I have Charles Johnson going [21st round 1 to Denver] and honestly believe that whoever has the better combine of the 2 will be the pick there.
The other will free fall. DE is a deep position and it could very likely happen.
Honestly, I thought of Carriker as a freak before he ever lit up the senior bowl. But lets not pretend like the senior bowl is insignificant, its one of the best ways for a prospect to raise his stock. Look no further than last year with guys like Jay Cutler, Davin Joseph....I think 15 first rounders played in the senior bowl. His performance will help his stock.

And there are a lot of DEs in this class, but a lot of teams need DEs. I look at all the teams that would love to have Carriker and I cant see him falling nearly that far...

SF at 11 (perfect fit for 3-4), BUF at 12(its possible, he would improve a weak run D), STL at 13(perfect complement for Little), CAR at 14(they already cut Wallace and they might cut Rucker), PIT at 15 (he'd fit into both the 3-4 at DE and the cover 2 at DT), GB (they need someone to play the run downs for KGB, who is considered to be over the hill), JAX(they'd probly rather have a pass-rusher but they could use help at DE), DEN, KC(Hicks isnt doin a whole lot and what if they lose Allen to FA?), NYJ(they need 3-4 DE and Carriker is ideal), BAL (they could use a good DE who can play in the 3-4 and 4-3), IND (they could put him at DT, he'd probly do well there in the cover 2)

I might have stretch a little bit with a couple teams like IND and JAX, but I named about 10 teams that should be seriously interested in Carriker and you have some of them passing on him TWICE...No way does he even make it out of the 1st.

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And I feel that Everett's skill will allow him to play either. He's faster than given credit for and has decent cover skills. The only set I wouldn't like him in would be a cover 2.
I dont question his skill but hes flat out undersized for the 3-4 and I dont think a 3-4 team would really spend a 2nd rounder on a 235 lb backer.

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It's a reach, but again most drafts now are basing the skills they saw against what ? I think Waters will have a fine combine...2 might be high, he is probably a 3rd round guy right now..but hey, with a quick 40 and
he'll jump up boards. (1 CB does every year).
Im all for being bold with some guys who will jump up draft boards because those surprises always happen on draft day, this was just a very unexpected one to me. Its a lot harder for a MLB to raise up draft boards based on 40 time than a CB also. MLB is flat out not a position where 40 time is valued as high as other positions.

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This was just a monkey wrench. Cincy is the hardest team to draft for. On Paper they have almost no holes. even their depth is solid. And "on paper" they should've been facing the Colts in the AFC championship. It's character and effort that keeps them from reaching that next plateau as a team. Hard to mock for a team like that.
I dunno Cincy has a clear need at DB and then needs some help along the front 7 and at TE. Also they could use a HB (later in the draft)....But just flat out how did you ever get Marcus Thomas round 2? I dont see him going before round 5 honestly. Round 4 if hes lucky. And honestly, I think the Bengals, of all teams, would stay away from him. These character problems have been an embarrasment and theyve made their displeasure clear. Expect them to go for high character guys in this draft.

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Again, just like Cincy the playoff teams are hardest to get a feel for. Newton wouldn't step in right away but Clark has a history of being hurt (this year was an exception) ...but no team can
or would turn it's back on a chance to get deeper at their shallowest positions.
Decent enough reasoning and I do think they take a TE at some point in this draft but they can get a TE just as good as Newton anywhere from round 3-5. Why not have em take Ben Delaware if youre gonna give em a TE?

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I was floored when I read "MAJOR holes" when talking about the Giants....ummm they did make the playoffs didn't they ? Which means there weren't that many holes on either side. annnnyway.
Barber is retired and it's foolish to think the Giants can go into next year with only Brandon Jacobs able to carry more than 10 times a game.
I won't appologize for the M.L. Pick , not only because it makes sense ...but because it'd be ludicris to pass on him for more talent on D (or elsewhere) when the hole at RB is big enough for 2 guys.
Jim Finn is garbage and Leonard is an immediate upgrade.....could they have used a player to contend for a different spot ? of course.
But is Leonard a horrible pick considering the value he'd give a Jacobs and Lynch combo ? ...not in the least. In fact ...I'm curious.
Where are these GIANT holes of which you speak ?
They do have giant holes. First off, they made the playoffs by default last year, they didnt deserve to be there and they got booted 1st round by a not-so-impressive eagle team for a reason. LT, a critical position, which could kill their season, they have no one there really. OLB, they cut Arrington and Emmons and pretty much only have Wilkinson now. CB? Corey Webster is awful, Sam Madison is over the hill, they dont have depth, major need. HB? All they have is Jacobs and I like him but he is not a complete back. They to bring in a back to share time with him. WR is even a need. Toomer is a guy who is on the decline and Moss looks like nothing more than a slot receiver. S another position of need after Wilson and Demps were both pretty dissapointing. DT? William Joseph blows, Cofield is solid but nothing special, Robbins is aging but still pretty effective....The Giants have some excellent talent at some positions, but they have as many holes to fill as any team in these league. Besides, Tiki carried this team last year and was by far their team MVP. Now hes gone. This team has a lot of major needs and unless Eli makes some major strides, this team will be picking top 10 next year.

I agree about Lynch, they cant pass on him at 20, thats a flat out steal and they need a HB. Staley in round 2, good, they need a LT badly. Round 3? Leonard? Jim Finn isnt good? True enough....But given all the needs I stated on defense do you really think they can afford to make a move to improve at the FB position day 1? Youre saying they use all their day 1 picks on offense with a D that on paper looks like swiss cheese? Also, Leonards real value is that he is a great pass-catcher and ball carrier, not that he is a great lead blocker. And with Lynch and Jacobs, they have 2 excellent ball carriers and a good receiving back in Lynch. Youre underestimating Jacobs if you think he can only take 10 carries a game. Hes a somewhat limited player, but he has the makings of an absolute beast. They dont need another ballcarrier. If they want to uprgade at FB, Leonard isnt even the logical guy. They can go after a veteran leadblocking FB in FA or take one late in the draft. Leonard makes 0 sense

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There are at least 5 teams that absolutly will look to QB. Regardless
of how "bad" they may perform during the combine it's highly unlikely that the top 3 don't get taken round 1. I wouldn't be suprised if all top 5 got taken day 1. QB is the 1 position where there isn't always 4 guys to choose from. Next years QB crop will be 1 person deep (Brohm) and even he has a ton of question marks. I'm not convinced that he'd have been the 3rd QB gone this year, but that's a different topic.
The QB to the Panthers is because Jake Delhome might as well wear #16 on his back and be Jake Plummer the 2nd. he's erratic and inconsistent and he's not a spring chicken. Stanton is a strong armed kid whose faced tough competition and put up decent games. Once the combine starts his strong arm will have people remembering Jay Cutler (not comparing him) but because of Cutler's early career success the Panthers just can't hold back and hope Delhome gets better..they have to take steps to make sure the teams future doesn't spiral out of control with another mid season mindmeltdown. They need better options. And the Panthers won't be able to live down passing on him , especially if he goes to say a baltimore and has decent success.
I agree Delhomme played like crap last year and I think Stanton is a great fit with the Panthers, but I cant imagine anyone picking him round 1 honestly. And the Panthers have plenty of other prospects. Theyre gonna have a chance to get a top tier S (Landry, Nelson), a top LB (Willis, Timmons), a top DL (Okoye, Carriker, Johnson, Moss)....these are all major needs as well and all those guys are BY FAR better prospects than Stanton. And like I said, Cutler is very unique. He put on a flat out show at the combine and senior bowl. Stanton didnt show us anything special at the senior bowl and I dont think he has the kind of arm Cutler has either. Honestly, if Stanton was to even be considered as a 1st rounder, he would have needed to lite up the senior bowl and he didnt do that so IMO he already blew his chance at 1st round no matter how good he does at the combine, not that Im expecting him to do nearly as well as Cutler, who was possibly the no. 1 stanout at the combine (probly 2nd behind Vernon Davis) Besides, its not like there arent some decent QBs that can be had round 3 or 4 if Stanton somehow doesnt make it to them...Edwards, Kolb. The Panthers need an impact defender and cant afford to spend their first rounder on a QB unless its Quinn or Russell. Or they can get a veteran QB and wait. Either way, the Panthers aren't desperate enough to make a reach like that. No one is desperate enough to reach for Stanton round 1, let alone top half round 1. If he puts on a flat out show at the combine maybe ill consider it possible he slips into late round 1, but that hasnt happened. Besides, if the Panthers really want Stanton round 1 theyll probly use their 1st rounder on a defender and then trade up into the late 1st round with someone looking to move down the same way the Skins did for Campbell and the Bills for Lossman. 14 is just ludicrous for Stanton.



I got 10 more for you to answer earlier in the topic too.

BTW, you dont have to be too proud to admit youre wrong about some picks. I have made bad picks before and get called on it and I say I see your point im gonna change it.
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Not a good pick for the Eagles. We don't need any OLBs in the first round or even first day, maybe even in the draft at all. Give us Merweather or a DE in the first. I'd say DE since you gave us Rouse, but he is not an upgrade over our original SS. I know we need help stopping the run, but if the safeties are doing that, its not their problem. A DE like Carriker if available would be a good pick in the first round to give us a possible safety in round two who is good in coverage as well as against the run. If we get a safety in the first and no good DEs are left, Brian Leonard may be a pick if he is still on the board.
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I don't like the round three pick. Other than that, not bad for Atlanta.
It was either McBean or MeBane.
DT IMO is a must in round 3 for the Falcons. I believe McBean has a "nastier" streak in him than does any of the next 3 DT's in my rankings.
DT is not a need at all for Atlanta. especially not a lighter one like McBean. we have Coleman, Babineaux, Jackson, Jackson and Shropshire. we need a DE to replace Kerney
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