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Old 02-06-2008, 01:14 AM    (permalink
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Hi Vince Young.
Vince Young Plus.

VY didn't come to campus at 230 and when he bulked up to that weight he only ran a 4.5.

He also had as many picks as TDs his first few years. I bet Pryor is better than that.

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Pryor isn't bust proof if he decides to play basketball in college
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If Pryor ends up at PSU, I'll say Pryor. Penn State can't develop elite HS skill players for ****.
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If Pryor ends up at PSU, I'll say Pryor. Penn State can't develop elite HS skill players for ****.
Ever heard of Michael Robinson?

Pryor with his freakish athleiticism could even lead PSU to the NC.
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Ever heard of Michael Robinson?

Pryor with his freakish athleiticism could even lead PSU to the NC.
Michael Robinson is the best you can come up with? The guy is playing runningback now... he hardly developed into an NFL quarterback.
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Ever heard of Michael Robinson?

Pryor with his freakish athleiticism could even lead PSU to the NC.
I did. He of the magical 52% completion percentage and fifth round pick as a RB? PSU was only good that year because their D was sick....


But not sick enough to beat Michigan :)
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Why the heck is everyone picking Will Hill?

BTW, Pryor is pretty must bust-proof.

6'4 230 with 4.4 speed. Maybe he doesn't make the NFL but he should dominate the college ranks with numbers like those.

i highly doubt he breaks 4.6 when it comes time for for the nfl combine

they had xay at 4.5 on rivals and he ran a 4.8 at fsu's pro day
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Pryor actually is about 6-6 or at least 6-5.5 and runs around 4.4 in the forty legitamitely. That's not what makes him a special QB prospect though, as good as he is at running it is said that he is definitely a better thrower at this point in his career than Vince was coming out of high school, and I think Jim Tressel can develop QBs a lot better than Texas does in terms of passing. He make Craig Krenzel and Troy Smith a lot better and you could see even the difference in Steve Bellisari's passing when Tressel came to tOSU.
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DaQuan Bowers won't amount to the hype. I'm not saying he'll bust, but he won't leave college as the #2 or #1 player like he entered, not close.
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Pryor actually is about 6-6 or at least 6-5.5 and runs around 4.4 in the forty legitamitely. That's not what makes him a special QB prospect though, as good as he is at running it is said that he is definitely a better thrower at this point in his career than Vince was coming out of high school, and I think Jim Tressel can develop QBs a lot better than Texas does in terms of passing. He make Craig Krenzel and Troy Smith a lot better and you could see even the difference in Steve Bellisari's passing when Tressel came to tOSU.
im not saying he wont be good or isnt fast, i just doubt a legit 4.4 at his size

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DaQuan Bowers won't amount to the hype. I'm not saying he'll bust, but he won't leave college as the #2 or #1 player like he entered, not close.
that rarely happens
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what being the 1/2 best player upon leaving, or amounting to not much in college?
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Chris Wells was #1, Adrian Peterson was #1, Vince Young was #1. I think those guys were all in the top 2 of their classes.
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im not saying he wont be good or isnt fast, i just doubt a legit 4.4 at his size

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Hence the not close part.
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Pryor actually is about 6-6 or at least 6-5.5 and runs around 4.4 in the forty legitamitely. That's not what makes him a special QB prospect though, as good as he is at running it is said that he is definitely a better thrower at this point in his career than Vince was coming out of high school, and I think Jim Tressel can develop QBs a lot better than Texas does in terms of passing. He make Craig Krenzel and Troy Smith a lot better and you could see even the difference in Steve Bellisari's passing when Tressel came to tOSU.


Do you actually know what your talking about or are you just coming up with random thoughts...


Do you know how developed VY was as a passer out of HS? Because he redshirted and im pretty sure you didnt see many of his HS games, because if you did he looked incredible throwing the ball, much like Pryor now, point of that is it means nothing...How about lets see Pryor throw just one pass before we hear you tell us how much better of a passer he is just because he looked good doing it in high school vs mediocre competition(that doesnt equal in comparison to the teams Houston Madison faced).


How do you know his 40 time legitimately? Did he run recently at a camp that you have his reported time? Ive seen him listed as high as 4.59, lets be realistic and know that those times are going to be inflated all the way through until he decides to go pro, thats how it is for everyone he's no different...Unless you have some report of him working out and getting timed its just hearsay, your word doesnt make it any more right.


And as far as developing QB's, you dont think it has anything to do with it being two completely different offense, systems, and QB's who are recruited into those systems? Alot of the QB's we recruit are not highly developed passers coming out of HS, it doesnt have anything to do with one school developing QB's better, it would be different if we ran the same offense and went after the same type of QB's.
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this is about college football, not the NFL... i really don't understand your logic behind considering NFL success, and then make the claim that Jamaal Charles isn't a good runningback.

You also seem to be forgetting that Ricky Williams was the best RB in the NFL for a few years, and Selvin Young has hardly been given an opportunity to be successful in the NFL.

Chris Brown was a great college RB, and there's no reason to consider future NFL success in this discussion.
add in Rashaan Salaam
who was a beast in college
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couldnt have said it any better.
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Pryor has been the most celebrated and hyped recruit ever in my opinion. It's almost gotten to the point that if he doesn't come in and win 3 Heismans, and 3 or 4 National Championships people are going to be disappointed. He has all the tools to do that but it seems like he's a hardheaded, self centered kid that's been hearing he's the second coming since he was 13.
When it's all said and done and he stays out of trouble he will be an above average quarterback but won't put up the gaudy stats everyone is expecting.
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couldnt have said it any better.
hmm...considering how good a runner he already is I don't think his bust potential is as high as a pocket passer who can only pass. Worst case scenario he is a guy like Pat White who is a great running QB who can't pass. Best case scenario he is the next Vince Young, Mike Vick(on the field anyways) Troy Smith or better. The way Tressel has developed his QBs as passers I expect big things from Terrelle, he will be in a good situation here.
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Matt Patchan, especially if he continues to be moved around for the first two years of his career while at UF.
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I completely agree Larry. Patchan is a huge bust candidate considering his size and the fact that he already is playing defense at UF when they recruited him to play OL (I know he wanted to play both sides of the ball, but everyone knows if he was good enough to stay at tackle he would have done so).

Another monstrous bust candidate is DeAndre Brown, he has major grade issues, so I am questioning his ability to stay eligible at Southern Miss (who has taken some kids like that before, and failed to keep them eligible)
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The above poster is on to something good. It's pretty much impossible to predict how the vast majority of players will develop over 4-5 years of physical growth, personal development, changing team situations, etc. Therefore, I think it's pretty silly to evaluate players bust potential based on their HS football performance. There is just no way to know how players will adapt to the college game.

The one predictor that actually has some accuracy and value has nothing to do with football. Players with serious off the field issues have a way higher bust rate than normal. Drugs, violence etc. have probably caused a lot of really talented players to underachieve.

I have no idea which players have off the field issues from this years crop, though Pryor starting fights in basketball games and Artesting the crowd might count. Anyone know who has serious issues?
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