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Old 01-10-2008, 11:25 PM    (permalink
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well i was looking at some of the other team sites and they all had their teams draft so.....give me some ideas what u think our draft will look like...rounds 1-7
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I will tommorrow, it's too late tonight, but hey bud we've been trying to consolidate all of our offseason draft stuff into one thread and all the jets discussion into another one. It's because it gets really hard to keep track of everything that's going on in more than one thread, plus it's a pain to write the same thing more than once. Not a big deal, but from now on let's just try to keep it all in one forum.

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With no trades

1)Vernon Gholston OLB
2)Chris Williams RT
3)Roy Scheuning LG
4)Ahtyba Rubin NT
5)Kendall Langford DE
6)Darnell Terrell CB
7)Adrian Arrington WR

With Trades and Signings
-Sign Alan Faneca
-Sign Tommy Kelly
-Trade Vilma for a late first/early second or shaun rogers (1b from now on)
-Trade Robertson for a second (2b from now on)

1a)Vernon Gholston OLB
1b)Malcolm Kelly WR
2a)Beau Bell ILB
2b)Gosder Cherilus RT
3)Brandon Flowers CB
4)Ahtyba Rubin NT
5)Owen Schmitt FB
6)Kevin O'Connell QB
7)Dantrell Savage RB

The second would do unbelievable things for the franchise...Chances of it coming true 2%. Also I have no problem if you replace Beau Bell with a Shaun Rogers trade and then draft a guy like Erik Ainge in the 4th round. Which would change our 6th rder to a guy like Rudolph Hardie from Howard he's 6'2 270 and runs in the 4.75 area...a poor mans adalius thomas? He can do a lot of things

But like BJOE said this stuff should be in the Jetsd discussion or who are we drafting thread...next time just throw up a post in one of those saying anyone got a mock?

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With no trades

1)Vernon Gholston OLB
2)Chris Williams RT
3)Roy Scheuning LG
4)Ahtyba Rubin NT
5)Kendall Langford DE
6)Darnell Terrell CB
7)Adrian Arrington WR

With Trades and Signings
-Sign Alan Faneca
-Sign Tommy Kelly
-Trade Vilma for a late first/early second or shaun rogers (1b from now on)
-Trade Robertson for a second (2b from now on)

1a)Vernon Gholston OLB
1b)Malcolm Kelly WR
2a)Beau Bell ILB
2b)Gosder Cherilus RT
3)Brandon Flowers CB
4)Ahtyba Rubin NT
5)Owen Schmitt FB
6)Kevin O'Connell QB
7)Dantrell Savage RB

The second would do unbelievable things for the franchise...Chances of it coming true 2%. Also I have no problem if you replace Beau Bell with a Shaun Rogers trade and then draft a guy like Erik Ainge in the 4th round. Which would change our 6th rder to a guy like Rudolph Hardie from Howard he's 6'2 270 and runs in the 4.75 area...a poor mans adalius thomas? He can do a lot of things

But like BJOE said this stuff should be in the Jetsd discussion or who are we drafting thread...next time just throw up a post in one of those saying anyone got a mock?

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ok thanks for your thoughts and ill be sure to know next time.
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With no trades

1)Vernon Gholston OLB
2)Chris Williams RT
3)Roy Scheuning LG
4)Ahtyba Rubin NT
5)Kendall Langford DE
6)Darnell Terrell CB
7)Adrian Arrington WR

With Trades and Signings
-Sign Alan Faneca
-Sign Tommy Kelly
-Trade Vilma for a late first/early second or shaun rogers (1b from now on)
-Trade Robertson for a second (2b from now on)

1a)Vernon Gholston OLB
1b)Malcolm Kelly WR
2a)Beau Bell ILB
2b)Gosder Cherilus RT
3)Brandon Flowers CB
4)Ahtyba Rubin NT
5)Owen Schmitt FB
6)Kevin O'Connell QB
7)Dantrell Savage RB

The second would do unbelievable things for the franchise...Chances of it coming true 2%. Also I have no problem if you replace Beau Bell with a Shaun Rogers trade and then draft a guy like Erik Ainge in the 4th round. Which would change our 6th rder to a guy like Rudolph Hardie from Howard he's 6'2 270 and runs in the 4.75 area...a poor mans adalius thomas? He can do a lot of things

But like BJOE said this stuff should be in the Jetsd discussion or who are we drafting thread...next time just throw up a post in one of those saying anyone got a mock?

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you think he will drop to the second?? and looking at this, the late second??
do we really think DRob will get a second?
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Just as long as you realize that. :p
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In one of the other forums i belong to, the question was asked if we could win the superbowl, my reply was the following, which i think led to a solid foundation of a draft..comments are always appreciated!!

Anything is possible and although I don't see it happening, winning the SB is the reason everyone plays. I do beleive that once someone makes it to the playoffs that anything is possible and being a wild card team is a possibility. A team wins in the playoffs and regular season by controlling both points of attack and in the bad weather it helps to have a good running game.

Here is how i would go with my picks, not assuming trades or free agency (trading i would obviously love Shaun rogers and FA i would love Stacy Andrews and lilja but anywayss...)

1)Gholston/Harvey - I like gholston as our pick, but i am coming around to the idea of harvey. Harvey is the best pure pass rusher in the NCAA. Yes he did get handled by Long, but the only person not to get handled by him is gholston; he did however play very well against Oher. I think harvey will compete with gholston for the first OLB chosen.
2)Chris Williams/Gosder Cherilus - both don't play with a nasty enough streak for me, but both are fantastic RTs. Both are big guys who really are prototypical RTs and could come right in an have an impact. Great value at the top of the 2nd and will most likely be there.
3) Roy Sheuning and if hes not there than Branden Albert - very solid LG who has great size and athleticism who played next to drbick at UVA.
4)Kendal Langford - Has great tools, but will require coaching. (6'6 295) He could surprise people and come right in an challenge for a starting spot. Also, lets not forget Kareem Brown 6'4 310 and a 4th round pick last year by the pats who jsut didnt have room on their fantastic roster.
5) Jonathan Goff - I would want to say moffitt, but i don't know the whole deal with his wife accusing him of lieing about being the perfect father and driving both ways to school and how she wrote all his papers etc. I think he would be perfect for the 34 ILB, but I like Goff just as much. 6-3 240 (prolly 235) and runs something liek a 4.7 i beleive. Has pretty good ability to shed blockers and plays with a nasty streak.

Now through our draft we have a solid Oline of Dbrick, Albert/Schuening, Mangold, Moore, Cherilus/Williams. Our dline could have more beef on it if Kareem Brown or Langford push Ellis for playing time. I drafted Goff becuase even if vilma stays this year, he is almost certianly not going to resign with a team who's scheme he doesn't fit; this will also allow us to push him with a new rookie and his eventual replacement. Harvey or Gholston will have an immediate impact as we have no one to pressure the qb like they do. This would allow us to properly evaluate clemens by giving him more time to throw and improve our running game. Our defense would build on their resurgent play and hopefully get our offense the ball back more. I honestly think with a draft like this our team could really turn it around. We lost what 7 games by a td or less? Say we win 4 of them and we are back to .500. Well, here's to our future!
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this is a huge draft for us and alot depends on it...a good draft here with solid play does make us a playoff team
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i agree that the jets are a playoff team, and this is prob. the most important draft so far for mangini based on the mulitiple vilma/robertson scenarios. the way i see it jets are kinda stuck- do you trade down your pick because nobody is worth it at #6 if gholston/long/long is gone? do you trade up with vilma or drob for gholston pick and pray he is a stud and not a dud? idk, its tricky i guess. one thing is for sure though, there is no way a team will give a 2nd rounder for drob, a player who has been consistantly average to below average in his play. as for vilma, its a matter of what team wants to take a risk of getting a stud LB coming off an injury..it would be great to get a 1st for him, but i dont see that happening either.
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It would be very solid to get a first, but in a draft like this a mid 2nd to high second has pretty close to first round value in it because the draft is so deep and not top heavy. I think if we are gonna move a player this is the draft to do it.
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1st-Vernon Gholston/Chris Long
2nd-Philip Wheeler/Shawn Crable/Charles Godfrey
3rd-Earl Bennit/Anthony Collins
4th-Ahtyba Ruben/Jason Shirly
5th-Lex Hilliard/Alley Broussard
6th-Pedro Sosa/Dominique Barber
7th-Angelo Craig/Chris Wagner

I think i would cry in joy if this happened..even half of this i would still cry....what do you guys think of this...and who would you feel if most of this happened
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1st-Vernon Gholston/Chris Long
2nd-Philip Wheeler/Shawn Crable/Charles Godfrey
3rd-Earl Bennit/Anthony Collins
4th-Ahtyba Ruben/Jason Shirly
5th-Lex Hilliard/Alley Broussard
6th-Pedro Sosa/Dominique Barber
7th-Angelo Craig/Chris Wagner

I think i would cry in joy if this happened..even half of this i would still cry....what do you guys think of this...and who would you feel if most of this happened
There's no real addressing of the RT position there so I don't really care for it. Since more than likely Cherilus will be drafted in the first, without any trades, I'm really pulling for us to get Jake Long. Or hell, at this rate, if Ellis can put on another 20 lbs., I'm all for him. In the second, I like the idea of Wheeler or Crable. Wheeler had been a favorite of mine for the past two years, but I didn't really consider him for the Jets because of his size. But if he's at what they say he is, he'd be fantastic as an OLB (ILB would work, but I think OLB is more important, and I figure that he could do great). Though there's a strong chance he'll be gone in the second, possibly late first, I'd like to get Rubin in the third if at all possible. No one else you mentioned really interests me. I think no matter what though that unless we make a splash in FA (and I mean a SPLASH, not some little plug-in player), we're going to definitely need to try as hard as possible to trade down and acquire more picks to work with in the early stages of the draft.
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There's no real addressing of the RT position there so I don't really care for it. Since more than likely Cherilus will be drafted in the first, without any trades, I'm really pulling for us to get Jake Long. Or hell, at this rate, if Ellis can put on another 20 lbs., I'm all for him. In the second, I like the idea of Wheeler or Crable. Wheeler had been a favorite of mine for the past two years, but I didn't really consider him for the Jets because of his size. But if he's at what they say he is, he'd be fantastic as an OLB (ILB would work, but I think OLB is more important, and I figure that he could do great). Though there's a strong chance he'll be gone in the second, possibly late first, I'd like to get Rubin in the third if at all possible. No one else you mentioned really interests me. I think no matter what though that unless we make a splash in FA (and I mean a SPLASH, not some little plug-in player), we're going to definitely need to try as hard as possible to trade down and acquire more picks to work with in the early stages of the draft.
yea i have always like wheeler as well...and he would be great at olb for us because we are missing that blitzing olb and he is one of the best at that...i think he will still be their in the 2nd....and i think WR should probly be addressed in the 3rd or 4th and Bennett will be a great player so if hes their in the 3rd we better get him...Ruben is a must...one of the best NTs coming into the draft i have seen in years....but yea FA is key
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i would like to see the jets grab a qb in the draft. if brennan is there in the second round, i would take a chance because i really didn't like what i saw out of clemens. might not have been his fault considering the O-line sucked this year, but it's been too long without a qb that i can get excited about watching instead of cringing every time he drops back...as far as first round, obviously gholston, and he should drop to our spot.
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i would like to see the jets grab a qb in the draft. if brennan is there in the second round, i would take a chance because i really didn't like what i saw out of clemens. might not have been his fault considering the O-line sucked this year, but it's been too long without a qb that i can get excited about watching instead of cringing every time he drops back...as far as first round, obviously gholston, and he should drop to our spot.
What I saw out of Clemens was a QB who was always running for his life and rarely had anyone to throw to because while he was the starter, he was without Coles or Cotchery (one of the two) most of the time. I figure, if the Jets draft a QB in the second or third round, ESPECIALLY Colt Brennan..... I figure I'm going to see the same thing.
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What I saw out of Clemens was a QB who was always running for his life and rarely had anyone to throw to because while he was the starter, he was without Coles or Cotchery (one of the two) most of the time. I figure, if the Jets draft a QB in the second or third round, ESPECIALLY Colt Brennan..... I figure I'm going to see the same thing.
without a doubt if the jets were to start a brand new rookie at qb in the place of clemens or even chad still for that matter, it would have the same result. i just dont think it would hurt to draft one in the later rounds..i said before in other threads, if it were up to me, i would draft jake long in the first and worry about the D later on. if you cant protect the qb youre not going run the ball and win many games-obviously. but the chiefs need an OG more than we do, and thanks to winning a meaningless game we screwed ourselves at having just about any player we wanted. as far as the WR situation is concerned, just a thought- berrian is a FA and i wouldn't mind having him in the rotation and eventually to start if coles should go soon.
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I think Clemens has a ton of potential, but not enough help at WR and certainly a less-than-adequate OL.
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I think Clemens has a ton of potential, but not enough help at WR and certainly a less-than-adequate OL.
i dont think WR is the problem right now...i think O-LINE is the key for clemens...however WR will be a problem now with Coles almost done....but i like clemens still and we have to give him atleast 1 more chance
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From what I've been reading and hearing the Jets don't look particularly thrilled with any ONE SENIOR WR...I wish we could and would address it this offseason but I have a feeling we'll have another unsexy draft and it will produce more

1)OLB
2)RT
3)LG
4)NT
5)CB
6)DE

I'd love a trade down...

I'd also love this trade:
Dewayne Robertson
Jonathan Vilma
1st Rd Pick
3rd Rd Pick
FOR
Shaun Rogers
Roy Williams

Then sign
Alan Faneca

Then draft
2)Beau Bell LB
4)Barry Richardson RT
5)Ahtyba Rubin NT
6)Antwaun Molden CB
7)Chris Norwell DE


HAHAHA yea right! NEVER HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEARS
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:17 AM    (permalink
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I'd love a trade down...

I'd also love this trade:
Dewayne Robertson
Jonathan Vilma
1st Rd Pick
3rd Rd Pick
FOR
Shaun Rogers
Roy Williams
I would hate that trade. Remember, the Jets draft 6th overall. To me, if the Jets are going to trade for Roy and Shaun, two players I've heard the Lions are looking to unload, they shouldn't give up more than #6 and Robertson. The way I see it, its the best deal the Lions are going to get, it'll give them the opportunity to draft a top notch offensive tackle or cornerback and especially if Gholston is gone, its the best the Jets are going to get for that pick. Adding Vilma and a third to that trade is just the Jets fleecing themselves.
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:51 AM    (permalink
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i think that would be giving up to much...the way i look at it is that shaun rodgers will probaly be a FA anyway and a #6 is worth williams who the lions are trying to deal as well. giving them Vilma and a 3rd is over the edge.
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:56 AM    (permalink
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I thought I heard Rogers was to be cut? Or at least it looks that way. #6 overall by itself would seem to be too much IMO. Since he's disgruntled and they have depth there, I wouldn't think it to be out of the realm of possibility to get Roy for our 2nd and Robertson (adding Vilma, despite coming off the injury, would seem like a bit much to me).

I'm all for the unsexy draft so long as we get one playmaker on offense somehow.
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I also think it is too much, however i don't agree that they will be releasing Rogers. I do feel that they will listen to trade offers and he could be had for a 3rd or so, but just releasing a pro bowler doesn't seem as likely as the article gave up. I also beleive it will depend on how mangini feels about Ahtyba Rubin; we were the only team to interview him i beleive.

I really do beleive that the interviewing him does give us an idea that drob could be moved, but who knows.
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well Ruben is a beast and looks like one of the best NTs in years right now...i would love to get him
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