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bruce smith is not going to be bumped by anybody
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But Derrick Thomas is the greatest, most fiercesome pass-rusher God ever created!!11! Dude, you have to know this.

Who cares about Smith and his NFL record 200 career sacks, that he was one of the greatest players of his era, and that he actually helped his team win playoff games? He's a lesser player to DT.
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How long did first ballot Hall of Famer Darrell Green wait again?

And how the hell would you know if Dean and Tippett were lesser players.
Darrell Green didn't have alot of other cornerbacks he was going up against, now did he? There was a log jam with Derrick Thomas, Richard Dent, Fred Dean, and Andre Tippett. I believe Derrick Thomas was the best out of all of them.

How do I know DT was better than Dean and Tippett were lesser players? Well I have never seen them play myself but Kansas City Star and ESPN writer Jason Whitlock gave some good insight on this article:

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...ry/473079.html

Hall voters reject Derrick Thomas for lesser talents

P HOENIX | The word around the Pro Football Hall of Fame news conference on Saturday was that Derrick Thomas inched closer to induction.

Bob Gretz, Thomasí presenter, did a fine job and Hall voters had virtually nothing negative to say about Thomasí candidacy, according to my sources.

Thomas, the nine-time Pro Bowl pass rusher for the Chiefs, got caught in a logjam of quarterback chasers and was symbolically asked to wait while Hall voters righted previous wrongs.

So Fred Dean and Andre Tippett ó lesser players than Thomas, in my opinion ó were welcomed into the Hall while Thomas was put on hold for a fourth consecutive year.

I donít like it.

The entire 2008 class, with the exception of Washington cornerback Darrell Green, is a statement about rewarding borderline Hall of Famers for waiting patiently. Itís as if Hall voters are afraid of creating another Harry Carson, the bitter 2007 inductee who whined his way into Canton.

Art Monk, Washingtonís longtime No. 2 receiver, got his Hall ticket punched while Cris Carter, one of the leagueís great receivers, was denied a first-ballot induction. Criminal. No team ever devised a game plan to stop Art Monk. He put up great numbers because he played forever. He belongs in the longevity Hall of Fame.

Denver and Minnesota left tackle Gary Zimmerman was the second-best modern-era player inducted on Saturday. I canít really knock his selection. He was a very good left tackle. Heís not in the same class as Anthony Munoz or Willie Roaf, but Zimmermanís Hall bid doesnít bother me.

I never saw Emmitt Thomas play, so I will not comment on his selection by the veteransí committee.

However, making Thomas wait while Fred Dean gets in is infuriating. During his 11-year career, Dean started 82 of 141 games. Dean, a defensive end, spent the second half of his career (1981-85) coming off the bench, playing strictly on passing downs. He was a role player, a nickel back, a special-teams gunner, Billy ďWhite ShoesĒ Johnson.

Someone dust off Steve Taskerís Hall of Fame resume. Pressuring the quarterback on third down is very, very important. But so is downing a punt inside the 10 or tackling a return man inside the 20.

Fred Dean was one-dimensional. He earned four Pro Bowls berths. Yes, he was a member of the 49ersí 1982 Super Bowl squad. And yes, he had an amazing 17 1/2 -sack season in 1983 when the 49ers went 10-6 and lost in the NFC championship.

Fred Dean had a flash of greatness Ö as a role player. But Iím not buying the contention that he was some sort of innovator because he was the ďfirstĒ situational pass rusher. Unless youíre Gale Sayers and were felled by injury, you need a full body of work to enter the Hall of Fame.

As for Andre Tippett, my main gripe is my belief that heís not better than Thomas. But Tippett did collect 100 sacks while playing linebacker on the strong side (over the tight end). Thatís rather impressive. He was certainly a force to be contained. He did help the Patriots advance to the 1986 Super Bowl, the one the Bears dominated.

However, the job of the Hall of Fame selection committee isnít to make the old-timers happy. Good players arenít supposed to get in. Players who were momentarily great arenít supposed to get in, either. The Hall is supposed to be reserved for the best of the best, the players we will never forget.

Iím a hardcore football person. Until Saturday, I never even considered the possibility of Fred Dean entering the Hall of Fame. Is Dean the first non-starter to make the Hall?

You can easily write the history of the NFL without including a sentence about Monk, Dean and Tippett.

Meanwhile, Derrick Thomas, Cris Carter and Randall McDaniel, an offensive guard with an identical resume as Will Shields, have to wait until next year. Derrick Thomas isnít here to gripe, complain and make Hall voters embarrassed for overlooking him.

Iím glad of that because Iím tired of the Hall announcement turning into a whine session about some good player who convinced a couple of influential broadcasters and voters that he was great.
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But Derrick Thomas is the greatest, most fiercesome pass-rusher God ever created!!11! Dude, you have to know this.

Who cares about Smith and his NFL record 200 career sacks, that he was one of the greatest players of his era, and that he actually helped his team win playoff games? He's a lesser player to DT.
DT had to wait for lesser players like Tippett and Dean to get in so why shouldn't Bruce Smith wait? Next year will be DT's 5th year. He deserves the HOF by now. He deserved it a long time ago. Bruce Smith can wait.

Cris Carter is considered the 2nd best WR of all time by most yet he got passed over for Art Monk. So I don't see why the same thing shouldn't happen with DT.
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bruce smith is not going to be bumped by anybody
Yeah just like Cris Carter won't be bumped by anybody.
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So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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carter, and thomas will make it next year. Congrats to Art Monk though. It's about time they got him into the hall
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Yeah just like Cris Carter won't be bumped by anybody.
Who bumped him
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Actually he's going to have a tougher time next year if the owner's opt out of the CBA. Tags, IMO, doesn't deserve to be in the Hall. Now alot of that revolves around the fact that he colluded with Jack Kent Cooke to keep the city of Baltimore from getting a team and the fact that the Baltimore Colts records have never been rightfully returned home but I digress. While Tags was Commish during the biggest expansion of the league in terms of economics, how much was really the result of him and not just the natural evolution of the game itself? Tags was never tough with discipline, looked out for the big market teams, and was a tool. Frankly I hope that piece of garbage never gets in.
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Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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Actually he's going to have a tougher time next year if the owner's opt out of the CBA. Tags, IMO, doesn't deserve to be in the Hall. Now alot of that revolves around the fact that he colluded with Jack Kent Cooke to keep the city of Baltimore from getting a team and the fact that the Baltimore Colts records have never been rightfully returned home but I digress. While Tags was Commish during the biggest expansion of the league in terms of economics, how much was really the result of him and not just the natural evolution of the game itself? Tags was never tough with discipline, looked out for the big market teams, and was a tool. Frankly I hope that piece of garbage never gets in.
That was my thought. Not about him not deserving it, but about it being tough with the CBA that he helped negotiate already being opted out of (possibly).
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That was my thought. Not about him not deserving it, but about it being tough with the CBA that he helped negotiate already being opted out of (possibly).
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I had previously stated that Cris Carter was not among the final 10. This was in fact based on faulting info apparently. Here ya go, it also explains why Richard Dent was hosed over Dean and Tippett.;)


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Dent made the cut from the final 15 to 10 along with former Vikings receiver Cris Carter, former Dolphins guard Bob Kuechenberg, former Vikings guard Randall McDaniel and former Chiefs linebacker Derrick Thomas. But those five players were eliminated in the next round of voting.

"No disrespect to Fred Dean or Andre Tippett, but I'm disappointed in the fact that if you compared those guys to me, I think you would take me ahead of them," said Dent, who was a finalist for the fourth time. "I'm disappointed in the process. It doesn't make sense."

Dent, however, makes plenty of sense. As one of the 40 voters and the one responsible for opening the discussion on Dent, I thought he compared favorably with Tippett and Dean by almost any measure.

Dent had 137½ career sacks compared to 100 for Tippett, the former Patriots linebacker. Dean, the former Chargers and 49ers defensive end, played most of his career before sacks became an official statistic, but football researcher John Turney estimates Dean had 93 career sacks.

Dent had eight seasons in which he had 10 sacks. Dean had an estimated five. Tippett had three.

Dent had 21 career takeaways. Tippett had 18. Dean had 14.

Dent had 37 career forced fumbles. Tippett had 14. Dean had eight, though figures for forced fumbles are unavailable for the first four years of his career.

Dent had 58 passes defended. Tippett had 17. Dean had 13, not including the first four years of his career.

Dent also was an outstanding run defender. Tippett was a fine run defender as well, but Dean was a 230-pound situational player for most of his career.

Usually making the top 10 means that you'll get in eventually, as it only takes a few voters to sway. Though Dent has made it three times now, and I believe Thomas has twice. Things will likely get harder in the next few years with a slew of prominent names coming up.
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Usually making the top 10 means that you'll get in eventually, as it only takes a few voters to sway. Though Dent has made it three times now, and I believe Thomas has twice. Things will likely get harder in the next few years with a slew of prominent names coming up.
He will get in eventually. Just look, Harry Carson had to wait all those years and eventually got there while being superior to guys like Tippett and Dean.
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