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Old 01-16-2008, 04:22 PM    (permalink
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The Untouchables are perfect no longer. F-- Olga Igorshky or whoever the fludder cares what he says. I really would be worried if I'm NE of the blitzing packages and athleticism and speed and continuity and stamina and whatever else of this defense.

The Pats as an organization will look passed this, but can Moss?
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Moss is too good to be shut down by some off-the-field BS. As he tells it, he was essentially being blackmailed with the threat of a press leak, and he didn't cave. My guess is that even if he paid this supposed hush money, it would have gotten out. Moss has done some silly stuff, but I just don't see assaulting a woman as one of them.
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I believe him, I don't think he'd hit a woman. He's so laid back and if he were upset he'd just leave.
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I believe him, I don't think he'd hit a woman. He's so laid back and if he were upset he'd just leave.
you dont know his history

running into a traffic cop

before that he was involved in a huge fight in wv that left at least 1 kid hospitalized
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Moss admitted that something happened, and that she was injured, but I'm not certain of the circumstances. There has been no arrest warrent or anything like that, so let's wait and see.
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Moss admitted that something happened, and that she was injured, but I'm not certain of the circumstances. There has been no arrest warrent or anything like that, so let's wait and see.
She probably hit her o-face on the headboard or something and realized the opportunity. In cases such as this, my first instinct is always extortion of some kind. Tough to picture him actually beating her up or anything. Anything is possible and of course none of us know what happened, but I think Moss is more likely to be the victim here than she is.
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he said that he "doesn't hit women", and later in the article it said he got into a fight in 1996 with his baby mama.
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he said that he "doesn't hit women", and later in the article it said he got into a fight in 1996 with his baby mama.
Fighting with your spouse doesn't necessarily mean that fists were flying.
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you think they would specify though.
Not sure what you mean by that. In the article, the point of that little tidbit is to paint Moss in as negative a light as possible. Whoever wrote that has no idea what happened in '96, and neither do we. All I'm saying is that when couples are "fighting," it's often more verbal than it is physical. Being involved in a domestic dispute in '96 doesn't necessarily mean that Moss's statement that he's never laid hands on a woman is untrue.
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I think its extortion. I know its not fair to speculate, but he seemed very believable in my eyes. Didn't seem like the typical BS that you hear from some other athletes. He sounded believable, but heck, who knows.

Regardless, it won't bother him on game day. In fact, he might even use it as motivation to light it up even more. I have a great amount of respect for him as a player, Ive never seen a WR effect the defense's gameplan the way Moss has. Not even the GOAT, Jerry Rice.

Moss influences the coverages and schemes of the opponent's defense like ive never seen. One of the few times the word "game changer" can be used accurately.
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The majority of the time Game Changer can be used is when a player is a huge liability. Mostly very bad QBs.
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what was he doing in fla the week of a playoff game?

and the fight he got in in wv was a real big story; cost him some schollies

how come you people arent giving my boy pac-man the benefit of the doubt?
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what was he doing in fla the week of a playoff game?

and the fight he got in in wv was a real big story; cost him some schollies

how come you people arent giving my boy pac-man the benefit of the doubt?
are you seriously asking yourself that question?? Pacman and benefit of the doubt dont correlate together at all...


The fact that the woman was asking for money to keep quiet, and he didnt give it to her, leads me to believe he had nothing to hide and refused to act like it...had he given her the money and it came out, that be another story, but as it stands I dont think he did it...Also the timing of the story seems like she is being vindictive more then anything
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you dont know his history

running into a traffic cop

before that he was involved in a huge fight in wv that left at least 1 kid hospitalized
With the traffic cop, he did want we all dream about doing, he tried to run her over. I like Pac-Man but he made it rain at strip club and got mad the girls where taking the money ;)
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It sounds like someone is trying to make money off of him. He knew about this as far back as Friday, which is when he brought it to Bill Belichick's attention. From everything I've heard, "an accident happened" and I have heard he wasn't even there when it happened.

And the oddest of all the circumstances, no criminal charges have or will be filed, but a civil suit has been filed, which goes right along with him saying "an accident happened."

So yeah. I buy his extortion argument. He seems pretty pissed because he's tried so hard all year to prove he was a changed man, and it's just unfortunate that people like this are out there.

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It sounds like someone is trying to make money off of him. He knew about this as far back as Friday, which is when he brought it to Bill Belichick's attention. From everything I've heard, "an accident happened" and I have heard he wasn't even there when it happened.

And the oddest of all the circumstances, no criminal charges have or will be filed, but a civil suit has been filed, which goes right along with him saying "an accident happened."

So yeah. I buy his extortion argument. He seems pretty pissed because he's tried so hard all year to prove he was a changed man, and it's just unfortunate that people like this are out there.

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"My communications with Mr. McGill began last Wednesday. He told me that Randy had intentionally hurt his client's hand and wouldn't take her to the hospital and that if Randy didn't pay up, he would go public and file suit in Florida for battery. He gave me until 3 pm Friday to let him know. He demanded that I not come up with 'something like $50,000 or $75,000,' but something with 'six figures.' He had told me that the x-rays on her hand or finger were negative. I explained that it was my understanding that what occurred was the result of a horseplay-type accident and Randy was sorry it had occurred and he would pay for her medical bills and pain and suffering and that I would prefer to turn this over to his homeowners’ insurance coverage as we normally do with accidents. He said he was not interested in insurance or what her injuries were. He said he was evaluating the claim based on what Randy stood to lose. He threatened that Randy would suffer large amounts of money in future salaries and endorsements and what he claimed would be game suspensions.

"He also threatened that his client had lots of 'dirt' on him. Making such threats is clearly unethical, and in my opinion, criminal. When I tried to ascertain the extent of her injuries, he said that he didn’t know and that it didn’t matter as I just needed to make an offer big enough that she would take it. I sought the assistance of a skilled attorney and friend, Joe Friedberg of Minneapolis, who contacted a friend of his, Richard Sharpstein in Miami, to assist me. Each of them tried to talk to McGill and they both experienced the same attempts to shake down Randy. In fact, he tried to intimidate me by telling me that I would be blamed if the suit got filed. He said in a threatening tone that 'it behooved me' to make a big offer and he told me, 'don't blow it.' On Friday afternoon, I contacted the FBI and the US Attorneys' Offices here in Charleston about his threats. McGill claimed to be driving to the courthouse to file the complaint. I asked if by six figures, he meant $100,000 and he told me to quit 'nickel and diming' him. The filing time passed on Friday and he was upset that he had not filed before the Patriot game on Saturday. He kept pushing me to make a big offer. We asked him for a figure and after refusing for awhile, he gave us one, '$500,000, take it or leave it.'

"People who know me in West Virginia know that I have had a long relationship with Randy and that I care a great deal about him. His success this year on and off the field has been something those of us who are close to him have enjoyed immensely. The private, glowing reports I have received from folks in the Patriots organization about his daily work ethic and rapport with everyone there made us ecstatic for him, given the difficulties he's had. The Patriot family has come to know him as we do. With this big game coming up and with the media frenzy that I figured would follow, as it has, I admit that I thought about advising Randy to just pay the $500,000. I knew that Randy, given all the positives this year, would not want this situation to hurt the Patriots, especially now, and to be a distraction for his teammates and would pay much more than he should for the sake of the team. Because I'm too close to the situation, I had to listen to the advice of Mr. Friedberg and Mr. Sharpstein who advised me, correctly, that to pay such an outrageous amount was not the right thing to do. We tried to meet with Mr. McGill on Monday, but he refused to do so. I still didn't want Randy to face all this craziness, and naturally we wanted to settle this thing and were willing to pay an exorbitant amount to do so, so when he asked for an offer on Monday, we said, something to the effect, 'you said six figures, how about $100,000?' He said it had to be $500,000 or nothing. We told him to forget it. He had his client file the domestic petition the next day.

"I don't want to add to the media frenzy, but I must respond to Mr. McGill’s recent inaccurate statement. I want the U. S. Attorneys Offices in Miami and Charleston, the Prosecuting Attorney of Dade County and the Florida State Bar, whoever has jurisdiction over Mr. McGill’s conduct, to know that I am ready to meet with any and all of them and to testify regarding the blatant threats and attempts to extort money from my client."
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Oh, nice article. Her hand got hurt.. negative x-rays.. from horseplay. Wow..

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Looks like my instincts were on point with both this and the Pacman thing. There really needs to be serious penalties for people like this who risk people's reputations in an effort at extorting them. Fine her and the attorney $500,000 and donate it to Randy's alma mater or a charity of his choosing or something.
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