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View Poll Results: Who means more to the Patriots?
Bill Belichick 37 50.68%
Tom Brady 36 49.32%
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:24 PM    (permalink
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That's funny, Tom Brady led the NFL in TD passes in 2002...

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Brady played much of the second half of the season with a shoulder injury, and New England head coach Bill Belichick has since indicated that if the Patriots had made the playoffs, Brady would not have been able to play in the first game due to that injury
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I say this all the time...

Bill Belichick was 5-13 in NE before Tom Brady became the starting quarterback. Since then? You see the results.
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Old 01-27-2008, 08:56 PM    (permalink
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wow what happen bill was killing tom now there neck for neck
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I say this all the time...

Bill Belichick was 5-13 in NE before Tom Brady became the starting quarterback. Since then? You see the results.
Good point, it's not like Belichick and the coaching staff he put together had anything to do with Brady specifically or the roster as a whole over the years.
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This team wouldn't be here for other coaches to take to a 2nd round playoff game if it weren't for Belichick. This is his painting. Another artist can't come in and claim it as their own. That's the bottom line. Belichick has had a far greater impact on this team than Brady has. And that's not to take a damn thing away from Brady. As I've said, he's obviously a great QB.

It's just funny that you point to how talented the DL and LB's are, and how deep the secondary is, as though that's a strike against Belichick. As if they just appeared in New England as finished products and went out there and performed on their own without any direction whatsoever. As though they didn't join Belichick's team and adhere to his standards.

Belichick has been winning with a lot of different guys on defense. Hell, perhaps the biggest star, Seymour, was out for a large part of this season, and they still did well. Sure the coach is nothing without his players, but the same goes for individual players. They need their teammates and they need their coaches. Belichick doesn't deserve all the credit, but he certainly deserves more credit than any individual player or any of the other coaches. Brady's role is huge, but Belichick is the director. I just don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.
Okay, I think I understand now. You're looking at the bigger picture, as in, how Belichick assembled the team. I'm just talking about this year, if Belichick were to, say, take a year off or get suspended for spygate. If we're talking about the assembling and maturation of the team over the years, then obviously it's Bill.
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I say this all the time...

Bill Belichick was 5-13 in NE before Tom Brady became the starting quarterback. Since then? You see the results.
And you can say the same thing about Mike Vrabel and Richard Seymor. The Patriots didn't go from 5-11 to dynasty mode because of any single player. This is a team game. Belichick became HC in 2000, and got to work on building his team. Tom Brady is a part of that team. Again, he seems to be garnering far more than his share of the credit for their success over the past several years. He plays a huge role, but so do others.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:23 PM    (permalink
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Okay, I think I understand now. You're looking at the bigger picture, as in, how Belichick assembled the team. I'm just talking about this year, if Belichick were to, say, take a year off or get suspended for spygate. If we're talking about the assembling and maturation of the team over the years, then obviously it's Bill.
Oh, yeah the thread title is pretty ambiguous. I just kinda took it literally when he said "who means more to the New England Patriots." To me, the obvious answer is Bill, because without him, then everything about them is different. Without Brady, they have a different QB. I couldn't believe people were actually arguing with me about it. I absolutely agree with your interpretation of it, too.
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Duckseason is on to something, ask every single Pats fan, player, and employee who, if they had to choose, they would rather lose for 2008: Belichick or Brady.
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