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senator spector (pa) wants goodell to explain what was on the destroyed spygate tapes

i've always wondered what was on the tapes; what was the nfl hiding/trying to cover up
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Goddell's decision on that pisses me off too.
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He said he destroyed them because that way, if he ever sees any clips or any footage that was on those tapes, then he will know that the Patriots didn't give him all of the copies. Sounds dumb to me, he could have just locked him away where only he could get to them, but atleast its a legitimate excuse.
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Is this the same Arlen Spector that calls into Philadelphia sports talk radio on a regular basis to talk about all things Philly sports and is crying about a three point differential in Super Bowl XXXIX?

Maybe we should launch a governmental investigation as to why my boss decided not to give me a raise, or why the tooth fairy didn't leave me any money under my pillow, or how Philly's third worst crime family is setting up shop in the Eagle's locker room, or maybe Mr. Spector should be more concerned with something like, I don't know, heath care or tax cuts or the school systems. Sounds a bit more important then how a private company chose to discipline one of its employees for breaking company policy.

But hey, it's OK, I happen to know John Kerry is a huge Patriots fan, so he'll show Mr. Spector that he can wear his homer shoes too and make a scene over nothing...
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While I find some elements of the Spygate scandal were handled questionably, doesn't the Senate of the United States of America have more pressing matters to concern itself with then this?
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more to this story

letter to goodell from spector dated nov 15, 2007
goodells response dated jan 31, 2008

what took so long for him to respond?

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Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant and now a golf pro at the Ka'anapli Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, has suggested to ESPN that he has information that could have exposed the Patriots prior to the Jets' allegations which ended up with the record fines.

"If I had a reason to want to go public, or tell a story, I could have done it before it even broke," he told ESPN.com's Mike Fish. "I could have said everything rather than having [Jets head coach Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out."

Walsh, who worked for the Patriots from 1996 to 2003, also suggested to ESPN that he has information that could be embarrassing for the NFL and the Patriots. He has not been contacted by the NFL.

"If they're doing a thorough investigation ... they didn't contact me, so draw your own conclusions," Walsh told Fish.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539
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Retracting this statement becuase after further research i realized my comment was off base.
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While I find some elements of the Spygate scandal were handled questionably, doesn't the Senate of the United States of America have more pressing matters to concern itself with then this?
you'd be hard pressed to find something the senate did not have their hands in...plus, the Senate branches out....
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Hell yeah. Explain that ****, Roger! What happened to the tapes, Roger? Why the **** did you destroy them? Huh?
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The timing of this whole thing seems wierd, it couldnt wait another week? Guess they ran out of storylines for pre-superbowl hype...


Im just curious why Goodell had to burn them, why was that smarter then locking them up on file? Burning them raises questions, unfortunately ones that wont be answered since there is no tape to go back and look at...
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Because locking them up on file got them leaked on Fox within five days...
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Because locking them up on file got them leaked on Fox within five days...
Well, maybe Goodell should just hide the key where his wife can't find it. (His wife is a reporter for Fox)
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Well, maybe Goodell should just hide the key where his wife can't find it. (His wife is a reporter for Fox)

I rally have no reason to believe that all the tapes were given or that copies were not made. Im sure someone will come out and say what was on the tapes.
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When it rains, it freakin' pours.

After a bizarre day in which Spygate unexpectedly reappeared on the league's radar screen and strong hints of previously undisclosed cheating emerged, John Tomase of the Boston Herald reports that the Patriots videotaped the walk-through practice of the St. Louis Rams prior to Super Bowl XXVI.

Here's the key excerpt from Tomase's report:

"According to a source close to the team during the 2001 season, here's what happened. On Feb. 2, 2002, one day before the Patriots' Super Bowl game against heavily favored St. Louis in New Orleans, the Patriots visited the Superdome for their final walkthrough.

"After completing the walkthrough, they had their team picture taken and the Rams then took the field. According to the source, a member of the team's video staff stayed behind after attending the team's walkthrough and filmed St. Louis' walkthrough.

"At no point was he asked to identify himself or produce a press pass, the source said. The cameraman rode the media shuttle back to the hotel with news photographers when the Rams walkthrough was completed, the source said."

Though the Herald doesn't identify the cameraman, it doesn't take a genius to suspect that it was Matt Walsh, the video employee who has been quietly but doggedly pursued for nearly five months. It also doesn't require much gray matter to realize that Walsh likely gave Tomase the green light to cite him as an unnamed source.

A walk-through practice usually involves execution of the plays that are in the team's offensive game plan, out of the specific formations that each play will be called. Having access to that information would provide an enormous advantage to the opposing team.

In Super Bowl XXXVI, the ordinarily high-octane Rams offense struggled in the first half to move the ball, and trailed the underdogs from New England 14-3 at intermission. Seven of the Pats' points came when cornerback Ty Law jumped a route and took an interception to the end zone. After making halftime adjustments, the Rams came back, tying the game at 17 before the Pats won the game on a late field goal.

What does it all mean? For starters, much of the media assembled to cover the Super Bowl will soon swarm upon key figures from the 2001 Rams, searching for quotes that might support the notion that the Pats seemed to know exactly what the Rams were doing on offense. Guys like former coach Mike Martz and his offensive assistants (Henry Ellard, Bobby Jackson, Jim Hanifan, John Matsko, Wilbert Montgomery, and John Ramsdell) can expect to be pestered. Players like quarterback Kurt Warner and running back Marshall Faulk and receivers Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt will be pursued, too.

For now, however, we're even more convinced that the Patriots will win Super Bowl XLII by a huge margin. If the inflammatory remarks of various members of the Giants' organization weren't enough, the calling into question of the game that sparked the New England dynasty will surely drive the team to prove to the world that they win games based on talent, preparation, and execution.

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you'd be hard pressed to find something the senate did not have their hands in...plus, the Senate branches out....
Yeah, they won't ignore cheating or any type of scandal in a billion dollar business regardless of Football.
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Wow if they actually find real evidence to back up all these claims, the Patriots organization is in deep trouble and we may see the last of Belicheat.
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Not only the patriots organization, but the NFL in general. After I looked into this matter further it isn't as much grandstanding on the behalf of the senator as I thought. I was unaware that he had spoked out against the NFL in the past few months, most notably about the television packages the NFL runs. If Goodell did indeed destroy credible evidence of past cheating than he and the Pats could have mucked it up for the rest of the NFL reall good and Specter is right on the money.

He said he was going to introduce legislation in the next session in hopes of eliminating the league's freedom from antitrust laws and if it turns out that Goodell did indeed destroy important documents that taints The patriots, than the Senate could have more ammo to strip the NFL of their antitrust exemption. If you think that the senate should have somethign better to do Ie. healthcare, school systems etc. than your looking at the wrong branch of the senate. This is the Sentiate Judiciary Committe and one of their jobs is to uphold the antitrust laws and we are lucky that the NFL still has one. If they get rid of it you can wave goodbye to players staying in college for 3 years, you'll see more upstart leagues, the NFL will lose out on money with the cable companies and than that will only cause more bickering amongst the players of how they distribute the earnings for the year etc.

There is plenty of presedence already set as well; a few years ago the Senate said that the NFL was acting as a monopoly, which obviously we would be due to the antitrust exmeption, during the USFL law suite and the maurice clarett law suite. In 2007 the senate passed Railroad Antitrust Enforcement Act of 2007 stating that they had provided unreliable services while charging unfair prices etc. There aren't too many competing leagues against the NFL, but there certainly have been those who have tried.

Bottom line is, that the NFL has unrestrained monopoly power and if they wish to keep it they will need to avoid things like spygate and the like.
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Is this the same Arlen Spector that calls into Philadelphia sports talk radio on a regular basis to talk about all things Philly sports and is crying about a three point differential in Super Bowl XXXIX?

Maybe we should launch a governmental investigation as to why my boss decided not to give me a raise, or why the tooth fairy didn't leave me any money under my pillow, or how Philly's third worst crime family is setting up shop in the Eagle's locker room, or maybe Mr. Spector should be more concerned with something like, I don't know, heath care or tax cuts or the school systems. Sounds a bit more important then how a private company chose to discipline one of its employees for breaking company policy.

But hey, it's OK, I happen to know John Kerry is a huge Patriots fan, so he'll show Mr. Spector that he can wear his homer shoes too and make a scene over nothing...
Ahh an angry patriots fan who would rather blindly insult the senator with sarcastic quips than actually do a bit of research into the subject. Senator Specter is part of the Judiciary Committee; one of their major roles is making sure said private company isn't violating antitrust laws. If you look up the roles of the Judiciary committee you will see that handeling Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights is one of their main jobs, so it would seem stupid if he didn't take this seriously.

Oh and by the way, maybe your senator John Kerry can let The Senate Health & Long-Term Care Committee, the U.S senate Committee on health, Education, Labor and pensions as well as the Senate Budget Commitee that they are responsible for healthcare, education and tax cuts not the judiciary committe.

I'll admit i was upset at specter too, but after doing a little research things tend to be not as one sided as everyone makes it out to be.
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this will be one of his last terms in senate too; he has health problems

heard something on espn last night; like the nfl cant fight this cuz of antitrust laws or something and if they did they could take away the draft
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Because locking them up on file got them leaked on Fox within five days...
why would it be a problem if they're on fox ?
why shouldn't the films, in thier entirety, be made public?
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I would rather have them spend time on football than have them work on figuring out new ways to steal my money
they will always steal your money...at least if they're investigating these accusations, we might get a verdict...don't fret, they steal my money too...
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This is rediculous. I think Congress has just a few other things to worry about then the NFL....
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If they get rid of it you can wave goodbye to players staying in college for 3 years, you'll see more upstart leagues, the NFL will lose out on money with the cable companies and than that will only cause more bickering amongst the players of how they distribute the earnings for the year etc.
About the dumbest thing I've ever read. More upstart leagues? Losing out on money from cable companies? Bickering among players? Are you serious?

So now all of a sudden because there is no anti-trust in place, all long standing business practices performed by the NFL will cease to exist? Just poof, up and gone? I seriously doubt that. None of that would change, and when those legal, binding contracts are up, new ones would follow.

Businesses exist in this country without anti-trust. Every professional football league that has tried to compete with the NFL has failed, and it has had absolutely nothing to do with any anti-trust. There would be no bickering over how to distribute earnings, because the league and the union decide those things over collective bargaining. Does their service agreement all of a sudden disappear?

Boo hoo. The NFL didn't get back to you about your precious letter. Did you even listen to what the clown had to say? He said that the NFL took games that were already scheduled and rearranged the schedule so that they could broadcast on their own network. That's kind of funny, because I remember all of those games being scheduled as such at the beginning of the season. Mr. Spector really should do a better job of getting his facts straight, especially if he wants to go toe to toe with the NFL.

This is total grandstanding. He's got sand in his vagina because he got blown off and now he's huffing and puffing, conveniently, during the NFL's biggest week of the year. What difference does it make to him if a companies employee broke one of the companies policy? Again, I'd like to know if he's going to bring me in for a senate hearing because I've been dicking around on the internet at work, when it is a clear violation of my companies policy. Or maybe they should bring in my banker because he was a half hour late for work?

It's ridiculous. The NFL is a business and handled the disciplinary action on their own. They don't need to explain anything to anyone. They can operate their business as they see fit. Last time I checked, there are no laws against destroying video tapes.

They got rid of them because they got rid of them. It was probably for the good of the game. Who cares? We all know what was on it. Fox showed us. I've said from the beginning the whole thing is stupid, and I think it's even dumber today, especially after people like Jimmy Johnson have come out and said that he did the same thing with the Chiefs, Dolphins and even while winning Super Bowls with the Cowboys. Yet no one wants to hear that. So whatever.

And you say no surprise that I'm a Pats fan, well, shock of the day that you're a Jets fan. Funny how that works...
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