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over scotts past few mocks, hes commented that the cards are unhappy with edge and having them draft a RB in round 1 pretty much cements that theres, at least on some level, some uphappiness there for sure.

now im not suggesting that we trade.....anything....for him, because hes contract is pretty massive for the mileage on his tires, but lets just assume the cards cant find a trade for him and they do pick up a replacement for him. lets say he gets cut after some time on the trading block then...

now what would you guys think about bringing him in as a complement/competition to/for benson?

i imagine no ones going to throw huge huge money at him and he does have some mileage, but with the only other FA backs who are decent being turner and fargas, and theyre prolly going to get a good deal of money, what would you think of picking up edge?

sure sure, the draft is deep at RB, but all things considered, its too early to give up on benson, the same goes for wolfe seeing as how he was just taken in the third round last year, and AP is a special teams beast when hes not busy running the ball.....so who would you like to displace out of those 3 with a high draft pick rookie? i know RB isnt a position that takes a long time to adjust to the nfl, but wouldnt a competent vet added to that trio be more effective sooner?

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are you so sure? if hes cut, hed probably be much cheaper than turner or fargas and has proven much more than other FA's to be like foster, brown, etc.

that and, he wouldnt cost a draft pick
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okay, maybe, but only if he is dirt cheap... Someone that has gotten me very intrigued recently is Tashard Choice. I would not mind him at all in the late 3rd/early 4th.
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okay, maybe, but only if he is dirt cheap... Someone that has gotten me very intrigued recently is Tashard Choice. I would not mind him at all in the late 3rd/early 4th.
i agree. ive liked this guy since i watched him completely destroy Arkansas in their bowl game.
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okay, maybe, but only if he is dirt cheap... Someone that has gotten me very intrigued recently is Tashard Choice. I would not mind him at all in the late 3rd/early 4th.
why would we be pointing to a mid round pick as the answer to fix our game?

i mean. don't get me wrong, i like choice.
and i think, this could be an interesting setup, but then we'd have no running threat.
again.

so we'd have to pull in a 'good' back, maybe in FA, but then we'd have Benson, FA back, Choice, Wolfe, Peterson, plus 2 fb's. seven in the backfield. not my ideal situation to go into a season.

i really want to see what wolfe has done this season. what wolfe does, scarily enough will probably determine what we do with any running back acquisitions.
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why would we be pointing to a mid round pick as the answer to fix our game?

i mean. don't get me wrong, i like choice.
and i think, this could be an interesting setup, but then we'd have no running threat.
again.

so we'd have to pull in a 'good' back, maybe in FA, but then we'd have Benson, FA back, Choice, Wolfe, Peterson, plus 2 fb's. seven in the backfield. not my ideal situation to go into a season.

i really want to see what wolfe has done this season. what wolfe does, scarily enough will probably determine what we do with any running back acquisitions.
like i said, i think the 3 backs on the roster right now will remain there. its too early to give up on benson and wolfe and AP is decent for a drive or two per game and hes a special teams beast.

any back added to that, like a FA, i think would become the true backup to benson and would probably split carries with him somehting like 60-30 with another 10% going to AP/wolfe in situational roles
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okay, maybe, but only if he is dirt cheap... Someone that has gotten me very intrigued recently is Tashard Choice. I would not mind him at all in the late 3rd/early 4th.
I don't think Choice will be available at that point.


I also don't think James will get cut, but if he does I'd certainly consider it
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last year as in 2 years ago where he came back to top 10 runner form or last year as in just this past season where he went to houston and got hurt early and often?

cause i could really see edge revitalizing himself in a 2 back system. itll minimize further wear and tear and if hes even half of what he used to be he could strike some fear into defenses trying to prepare for him and a few other backs
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why would we be pointing to a mid round pick as the answer to fix our game?

i mean. don't get me wrong, i like choice.
and i think, this could be an interesting setup, but then we'd have no running threat.
again.

so we'd have to pull in a 'good' back, maybe in FA, but then we'd have Benson, FA back, Choice, Wolfe, Peterson, plus 2 fb's. seven in the backfield. not my ideal situation to go into a season.

i really want to see what wolfe has done this season. what wolfe does, scarily enough will probably determine what we do with any running back acquisitions.
I think Choice would be a good selection but I can't say he's going to be the same caliber of rookie as Jonathan Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall. Then again I could be wrong. In all honesty I think the best selection at RB for us would be either getting a top end FA or drafting a RB no later than the 2nd rnd. I'm hoping on RB in the 1st but who knows with Angelo's method of drafting. As we all know with him anything can happen.
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last year as in 2 years ago where he came back to top 10 runner form or last year as in just this past season where he went to houston and got hurt early and often?

cause i could really see edge revitalizing himself in a 2 back system. itll minimize further wear and tear and if hes even half of what he used to be he could strike some fear into defenses trying to prepare for him and a few other backs
As much as I wouldn't mind edge we have enough money tied in to Benson to bring him as another cap hit with marginal performance as a part-time back. If we're going to pay anything remotely close to what Benson is making it should be in hopes of ridding ourselves of this headache of a runningback. If we can wait the FA and see if Turners price goes down due to the number of rb's teams can select in the draft I say take at him or Derrick Ward. If not I think selecting a back in the 1st or 2nd round would be another way to go (and my preferred option).
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As much as I wouldn't mind edge we have enough money tied in to Benson to bring him as another cap hit with marginal performance as a part-time back. If we're going to pay anything remotely close to what Benson is making it should be in hopes of ridding ourselves of this headache of a runningback. If we can wait the FA and see if Turners price goes down due to the number of rb's teams can select in the draft I say take at him or Derrick Ward. If not I think selecting a back in the 1st or 2nd round would be another way to go (and my preferred option).
derrick ward? sure he filled in a little this season.....but id want a back with proven long term production if its a FA
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Why? Runningback is a position of "what have you done for me lately" more than any other position in the NFL, mostly due to rapid depreciation in talent. I could care less what a runningback used to be able to do, if that was the case Edge wouldn't be a candidate to lose his job right now.


After more thoughtful consideration I don't like the move. I don't consider us a Superbowl team next year, so adding veteran backups (see Darwin Walker-another move I hated last year) would be a step in the wrong direction.
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Why? Runningback is a position of "what have you done for me lately" more than any other position in the NFL, mostly due to rapid depreciation in talent. I could care less what a runningback used to be able to do, if that was the case Edge wouldn't be a candidate to lose his job right now.


After more thoughtful consideration I don't like the move. I don't consider us a Superbowl team next year, so adding veteran backups (see Darwin Walker-another move I hated last year) would be a step in the wrong direction.
this is the NFC we're talking about. we beat the packers both times we played them this past year showing that the division is at least winable.

plus....NFC.....EN EFF SEE

no pats, no colts, no chargers....

i mean hell, the GIANTS just won the superbowl. the giants led by eli manning.

a healthy defense should put us well in position for the division, and if the offense can produce...anything....well, nothing is out of the question

im still of the mindset that id like to see KO ge this shot at QB, bring in a new WR depending on the berrian situation, and revamp the oline in FA and teh draft. give a healthy benson one more crack at it. whats the worst that could happen?
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call me crazy, but if we actually get a decent OLine and a consistent passing game, Benson can be an above average RB.
We had a decent passing game this season. Our passing game was infinitely better than our running game. And our blocking wasn't THAT bad. Benson may improve, but we HAVE to create legit competition because he cannot be relied upon.
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call me crazy, but if we actually get a decent OLine and a consistent passing game, Benson can be an above average RB.
well, i think the order of that would be:

improve o-line -> better running game -> better passing game

but still, it starts with the o-line
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still defending Benson... Ill never understand it. He will never be more than an adequate player. He has no drive and never will. "Bring in competition." We shouldn't have to. I keep seeing give Benson another year, and the only reason I agree is financial reasons. JA should just flat out tell him, get his ass in gear or Ill cut you, maybe trade him for a 4th after next season if he still isnt running hard (which is what im predicting will happen)
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Cardinals wouldn't cut Edge, we have already paid 3/4 of his contract and the other 1/4 is over his last 3 years, if we draft a RB in the 1st he and Edge will more than likely split carries
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still defending Benson... Ill never understand it. He will never be more than an adequate player. He has no drive and never will. "Bring in competition." We shouldn't have to. I keep seeing give Benson another year, and the only reason I agree is financial reasons. JA should just flat out tell him, get his ass in gear or Ill cut you, maybe trade him for a 4th after next season if he still isnt running hard (which is what im predicting will happen)
I doubt we could get a 4th rounder for Benson. Maybe a 5th, but probably a 6th.
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One note on Benson, he obviously hasn't reached most if any of the incentives in his contract, so it's very much in the Bears' interest to keep him considering they're already on the hook for the guaranteed money.
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We had a decent passing game this season. Our passing game was infinitely better than our running game. And our blocking wasn't THAT bad. Benson may improve, but we HAVE to create legit competition because he cannot be relied upon.
You hit the nail on the head here. Our blocking was not as bad as people make it. We've seen much worse in the past seasons. We've seen what Benson can do when his job is on the line. This is a direct indicator of his lack of motivation. The problem isn't can he improve. The operative word is "will" he improve. He has the talent. His poor attitude is keeping him from being the player he should be. We are too good a team to let him ruin our running game because he "doesn't have to prove anything to anybody". We'll see how much this is true when yet again his job is on the line. Hopefully he will perform well so some other team will bid on him as a starter for their team. Good riddance.
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and whos gonna challenge him? eh?

a big (expensive) FA like turner or fargas would be?
another first round pick RB? (usually a safe pick, but benson proved otherwise apparently)
some random, comparitive no name FA like chris brown, or desean foster? theres a reason their current teams will prolly just let them walk.....

and i dont think a 2nd round or later running back would have the initial impact needed to do that. they would probably be billed as the technical "backup" to benson and benson would be given every chance in the world to keep proving himself since there would be "more invested" in him than a non-first round pick rb.....

all options seem garbagey...

the best course of action seems to be to grab an olineman (we can do better than fred f***ing miller) or two or three and give benson another shot.
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and whos gonna challenge him? eh?

a big (expensive) FA like turner or fargas would be?
another first round pick RB? (usually a safe pick, but benson proved otherwise apparently)
some random, comparitive no name FA like chris brown, or desean foster? theres a reason their current teams will prolly just let them walk.....

and i dont think a 2nd round or later running back would have the initial impact needed to do that. they would probably be billed as the technical "backup" to benson and benson would be given every chance in the world to keep proving himself since there would be "more invested" in him than a non-first round pick rb.....

all options seem garbagey...

the best course of action seems to be to grab an olineman (we can do better than fred f***ing miller) or two or three and give benson another shot.
If you're suggesting keeping this moron as a starter then I'm assuming you're expecting another piss poor offensive performance from our team. The guy simply doesn't perform. His attitude is horrible and for someone who hasn't proven s__t he acts as if he's actually accomplished something in the NFL. All money aside fact of the matter is we have a headcase as a runningback who only performs when is ass is in jeapordy of losing his job. Its amazing how well he performs when he's 2nd string or on his way to becoming 2nd string. When its his time to shine he fizzles and states he needs more carries. Our O-Lineman are a problem. That's clear to see but to say CB can do better than 3.4ypc and actually break tackles from db's and safeties tackling him isn't asking alot. I'm tired of hearing what he doesn't have to do. I'd rather hear what he'd better do. Hopefully I'll get my wish when a top tier back comes in and rids us of his services. He doesn't deserve any chances and relying solely on his performance would be the biggest mistake we can make going into next season. Anthony Thomas makes this guy look like Tim Worley. Again...good riddance.
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