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Old 02-04-2008, 12:40 AM    (permalink
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Belichick challenged a Penalty..

I thought that couldn't be challenged.

Did I miss a rule, rule change or did they just rewrite the rule book tonight?
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Old 02-04-2008, 12:41 AM    (permalink
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You can challenge a penalty as long as it is one that doesn't involve a ref's judgment. At least that is how I understand it.
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I dont know when it was the rule was put in, but Joe Gibbs challenged the exact same play earlier this year against the Vikings.
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Old 02-04-2008, 12:46 AM    (permalink
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I dont know when it was the rule was put in, but Joe Gibbs challenged the exact same play earlier this year against the Vikings.
I didn't know either way.. my understanding was you could only challenge position or possession.

I didn't know you could challenge a penalty or something that would result in a penalty.

Can you challenge pass interference?
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I didn't know either way.. my understanding was you could only challenge position or possession.

I didn't know you could challenge a penalty or something that would result in a penalty.

Can you challenge pass interference?
No, pass interference is a judgement call.

There's no debating in this situation. Either there were 12 men on the field, or there weren't.

A similar situation is illegal touching. Either the receiver went out of bounds or he didn't. No judgement involved, therefore, it's challengable. Another one would be illegal procedure on an onside kick.
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shouldnt defensive offsides be challengeable then?
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Old 02-04-2008, 01:14 AM    (permalink
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shouldnt defensive offsides be challengeable then?
Not entirely challengeable, because when a QB feels there may be an offsides and he spots a flag tossed at the snap of the ball (I'm sure plenty savvy ones see it), he will be under the presumption it is a "free play". So if he throws an INT, no biggie, it was offsides anyway....except if they challenge it and it turns out it wasn't, which wouldn't be fair on the offense since the ref threw the flag sending the message it was a free play.

Maybe you could challenge the lack of a defensive offsides call, though. As in, snap, sacked, and the offense feels he was offsides. That should in fairness be possible if the Pats' one is ok.
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What did everybody think of when Brady threw the ball to the middle of no where (no one was within 10 yards of where the ball landed) and he was standing in his own endzone, between the tackles. Shouldn't that have been intentional grounding and a safety?
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Old 02-04-2008, 01:37 AM    (permalink
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What did everybody think of when Brady threw the ball to the middle of no where (no one was within 10 yards of where the ball landed) and he was standing in his own endzone, between the tackles. Shouldn't that have been intentional grounding and a safety?
I thought that immediately, but that was the one where Kawika Mitchell hit him as he threw. Brady's Hand smacked off of Mitchells Helmet.
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Not entirely challengeable, because when a QB feels there may be an offsides and he spots a flag tossed at the snap of the ball (I'm sure plenty savvy ones see it), he will be under the presumption it is a "free play". So if he throws an INT, no biggie, it was offsides anyway....except if they challenge it and it turns out it wasn't, which wouldn't be fair on the offense since the ref threw the flag sending the message it was a free play.

Maybe you could challenge the lack of a defensive offsides call, though. As in, snap, sacked, and the offense feels he was offsides. That should in fairness be possible if the Pats' one is ok.
What about Holding? Because if you can challenge it and it's clear, can't that be a challengeable play then? Because it's not a "Call" because the rule is clear cut. If the hands travel outside the body, it's holding.. Correct?
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I think the rule is actually if the hands go outside and remain outside for a period of time the ref feels it was a hold.

But I'm going off Madden commentary in the Madden NFL video game :P
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