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Old 02-07-2008, 11:23 AM    (permalink
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:02 PM    (permalink
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John Lynch anyone? I guess if Roy Williams is, at this point we should consider Lynch overrated also. I understand he's aged and isn't the same player he was, but in a way he still gets the same accolaids
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Dre Bly is the first guy to come to my mind
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Darny Scott and Carl Pickens were so overrated when they played.
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Old 02-07-2008, 01:32 PM    (permalink
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Im just happy Mr. Urlacher came up, i think he last few weeks just proved he is a good player
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And that's leaving out Ben Watson.
Totally over-rated. They will let him walk, guaranteed. Wouldn't be shocked to see the Pats draft a TE high this year... I am so sick of watching him go through the motions. Everything is there, he just can't even seem to put it together...

Anyone who says Logan Mankins is overrated only watched one Patriots game this year. He carried Matt Lights ass all year...
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And how is Larry Johnson overrated? I will go on record now that if and hopefully when the Chiefs improve one of the worst lines in the league that he will be back to the 1,500+ yard per season back that he is.

He has never been considered a great or even an average pass blocker so that is no surprise. Not enough of a reason to call him overrated.
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Good RBs make their Line look great. He is good, but he isnt one of the best out there just like some say he is --> Overrated
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Darny Scott and Carl Pickens were so overrated when they played.
Carl Pickens was a beast in college. But like most UT receivers he fizzled in the pros.
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Those stats only show that I am right, or closer to being right. Carson Palmer's '05 and '06 seasons are hardly that much better than Tom Brady, and we've seen what happens when Brady gets elite receivers like the ones that Palmer had. Tom Brady had a better team around him, which explains why his team did better, but where have I said that Palmer is the reason the Bengals haven't won anything?
Palmer's '05 is comparable to anything Brady did before this year? Really? He had a 100+ QB rating, more TDs and as many or less INTs than any pre-Moss Brady season. I'm not going to claim Palmer is better, but how the hell do any of those previous seasons by Brady compare to Carson's '05?
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An inspired Randy Moss with one leg chopped off is still better than Chad Johnson, because Moss is by far the best WR in the league when he gives a damn. And let's not forget coaching and blocking. The Pats offense as a whole this year > Carson's supporting cast in '05, and if '05 is the best Carson can do, then he still had one of the better seasons by a QB in league history, so I think that's pretty damn high upside.
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Totally over-rated. They will let him walk, guaranteed. Wouldn't be shocked to see the Pats draft a TE high this year... I am so sick of watching him go through the motions. Everything is there, he just can't even seem to put it together...

Anyone who says Logan Mankins is overrated only watched one Patriots game this year. He carried Matt Lights ass all year...
Here we agree. Watson hasn't lived up to his 1st round pick/workout warrior status. And Light has no business being selected All-Pro, but Mankins does and will in the future.
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you think Mangold is overrated? Just because he was on a bad line means he's overrated. I can't remember any games where I thought he got burned. Yes he'll mess up every now and then but he's a 2nd year starting center, which is not common. I would not say overrated...
I think he's a very good player. But prior to this season, people were saying he'd make a push for being the best C in the game, and thats not true. He still has work to do in the run game. I think he'll eventually be one of the top guys in the game, but he's not there yet.

Overrated in a sense that a lot of people had unrealistic expectations of him. Im not saying he's not good, he's very good, but he's not one of the best...yet. He'll get there, but he's not there yet.
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Palmer's '05 is comparable to anything Brady did before this year? Really? He had a 100+ QB rating, more TDs and as many or less INTs than any pre-Moss Brady season. I'm not going to claim Palmer is better, but how the hell do any of those previous seasons by Brady compare to Carson's '05?
That was a typo. I meant '06, in which case Brady has had equivalent seasons.

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An inspired Randy Moss with one leg chopped off is still better than Chad Johnson, because Moss is by far the best WR in the league when he gives a damn. And let's not forget coaching and blocking. The Pats offense as a whole this year > Carson's supporting cast in '05, and if '05 is the best Carson can do, then he still had one of the better seasons by a QB in league history, so I think that's pretty damn high upside.

Palmer had a great season, but it was hardly "one of the better seasons by a QB in league history."
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Putting him in the top five is overrating him. Top ten maybe.

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Care to elaborate? He had a terrible defense, Kenny Watson as a RB, and an offensive line ravaged with injuries this season. Put Manning or Brady in that situation, and see how they do.
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That was a typo. I meant '06, in which case Brady has had equivalent seasons.
If I remember correctly, this all comes down to people claiming Palmer is overrated. So when Palmer, in his third full season as a starter and second best season as a starter, had nearly identical stats (slightly better, even) to a guy that every one recognizes as a great QB in his second best season as a pro, how is Palmer overrated?


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Palmer had a great season, but it was hardly "one of the better seasons by a QB in league history."
My ass, it wasn't. A season with 30+ TDs and a 100+ QB rating is absolutely phenominal.
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Putting him in the top five is overrating him. Top ten maybe.

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I will take all of them over Eli Manning.
I'll just say wow to those 5. Especially Gerrard and McNabb who is a shell of his former self.
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Eli Manning had a great month, but I will need to see him play like that for an entire season before he'd crack top-10 in my books.
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Originally Posted by BamaFalcon59 View Post
Putting him in the top five is overrating him. Top ten maybe.

Palmer
Favre
Brady
Peyton Manning
Brees
Roethlisburger
Gerrard
Romo
McNabb
Bulger
Jay Cutler

I will take all of them over Eli Manning.
Who is Gerrard?
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