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I think people are starting to lose perspective when it comes to Eli Manning. Just one month ago he was a below average QB, and now all of the sudden he is a top-5 QB? What he did was impressive and unexpected, but let's see him play at that level on a more consistent basis before we anoint him.
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What I don't understand is why it is so hard for Eli to get some credit after winning a god damn Super Bowl? I think that most of us Giants fans don't believe that Eli is 10x better than Roethlisberger or is better than Tom Brady, but to say they are not in the range of equality when it comes to being a QB in the NFL is ridiculous. Both QBs are known more for their game management skills compared to their overall game-changing skills and both have a SB ring to be proud of.

I've always loved Big Ben, but to say that some of his sacks are not entirely his fault because he isn't getting rid of the ball quick enough is also ridiculous. The steelers o-line is bad, but there are worse in the NFL. Much worse.
Meh...What are you talking about? It's been an Eli lovefest around these parts lately. Hell, even I gave him credit...he played well, he earned it. But just because, he won a SB doesnt automatically make him better than either of the other QBs.
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What I don't understand is why it is so hard for Eli to get some credit after winning a god damn Super Bowl? I think that most of us Giants fans don't believe that Eli is 10x better than Roethlisberger or is better than Tom Brady, but to say they are not in the range of equality when it comes to being a QB in the NFL is ridiculous. Both QBs are known more for their game management skills compared to their overall game-changing skills and both have a SB ring to be proud of.

I've always loved Big Ben, but to say that some of his sacks are not entirely his fault because he isn't getting rid of the ball quick enough is also ridiculous. The steelers o-line is bad, but there are worse in the NFL. Much worse.
Ben is not a game manager anymore. It was a stigma attached to him as a rookie but it just doesn't fit. I'll give Eli credit. I think he's developed in to a solid QB. However, I think there's a difference between giving him credit and saying that his performance in the playoffs discounts all his prior play.
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Yesssss....You're here!

Show me ONE POST where I have said he is a top 5 QB. Just one.
show me one where i said you did say that... you started this to hype up eli and also you're claiming he is better then ben which is clearly not true
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It would of been more fun with a poll.
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And whether you want to admit it or not, Eli is a Super Bowl legend.

Two 4th quarter TD drives...one that was close to 90 yards long with barely over 2 minutes left that won the game and also included arguably the best play in Super Bowl history.

That is what the sig means...nothing to do with him being top 5 as you rushed to put it.
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show me one where i said you did say that... you started this to hype up eli and also you're claiming he is better then ben which is clearly not true
Where did I claim Eli is better than Ben?
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And whether you want to admit it or not, Eli is a Super Bowl legend.

Two 4th quarter TD drives...one that was close to 90 yards long with barely over 2 minutes left that won the game and also included arguably the best play in Super Bowl history.

That is what the sig means...nothing to do with him being top 5 as you rushed to put it.
i just love how almost nobody agrees that hes better than ben other than giants fan, but do you big guy
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For the Steelers fans to say Ben is better and it isn't even close is atrocious.

I don't mind you saying he is better...hell I have them neck and neck and until this postseason I had Ben rated above Eli...but you guys act like he is the 2nd coming of Bradshaw. Holy cow.
does this help?

edit: nevermind i misinterpreted that
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i just love how almost nobody agrees that hes better than ben other than giants fan, but do you big guy
Where did I say he was better?

You are making this too easy man....try reading, it will help, I promise.
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And on a side note Giants fans shouldnt get ahead of themselves, everyone said(alot of Giants fans) that you cant/shouldnt jump Big Ben to the front when he won that super bowl, so now since Eli got his ring he's automatically the best?


Its hard to pick who is really the bettre qb as of right now because all 3 guys have played really well and all are franchise guys, but Ill go with Big Ben, this year their offense was spread majority of the time like the Pats, and WAY more pass happy then Pittsburgh has been before and he lived up to the hype...He showed he doesnt just manage a game, this year the ball was in his hands to make plays, and excuses or not his only bad season he had a reason behind it, other then that he has always been at the top of the league and that cant be ignored...



Im not going to factor in who has rings because its only been 3 years, Rivers could easily get his as well in a few more...so for the 2 spot I really cant pick one so ill say Rivers and Eli as 2a and 2b because both had regular seasons up and down, both guys had alot worse of regular seasons then big ben did...


But both guys picked up their play during playoff time how you would expect them to and its a coin toss of who you rate higher
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does this help?
I said I have them neck and neck!!! How does it get any easier to take in the fact that I don't think either of them is better than the other?

Wow.
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Where did I say he was better?

You are making this too easy man....try reading, it will help, I promise.
ok so if in your heart you really believe they are exactly equal, who would u choose if u had to start a team from those 2 guys?
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I said I have them neck and neck!!! How does it get any easier to take in the fact that I don't think either of them is better than the other?

Wow.
thanks for quoting me out of context, i also had edit in there but cool, sorry i misinterpreted you then apoligized for my mistake
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ok so if in your heart you really believe they are exactly equal, who would u choose if u had to start a team from those 2 guys?
Big Ben.

He was my #1 guy in 2004 and he still is. If Eli puts together the year I think he will in 2008, then we're talking a different ballgame. But because of his inconsistencies I can't put him above Ben right now. However for anyone to say Ben is on another level could not be further from the truth. Top 5? Come on, let's be serious.

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Big Ben.

He was my #1 guy in 2004 and he still is. If Eli puts together the year I think he will in 2008, then we're talking a different ballgame. But because of his inconsistencies I can't put him above Ben right now. However for anyone to say Ben is on another level could not be further from the truth. Top 5? Come on, let's be serious.

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Big Ben is better and more productive then Eli Manning?
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And you would think I would have some more cred here after I made everybody look silly on the Osi vs. Peppers debate.

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Ben at his worst is worse than Eli at his worse.


are you serious about this?? I dont buy it, Eli at his worse is far worse then anything ive seen Ben be...and that was not that long ago either


Eli's picks have went up every year since he has been the full time starter, fumbles lost has went up, and his best qb rating is 77...


In fact, for this entire regular season Eli has been sporadic and turned the ball over plenty...I dont think Ben has played as bad as Eli has vs the vikes, or even the bills for that matter...even in 2006 in bens bad year
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The most impressive feat by any of the '04 class is what Philip Rivers did in this year's post-season. He is a warrior, accurate, and smart. I like the way he plays the most, but I realize that I am in the minority with that opinion.
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Next year, Eli Manning will come into his own as the best QB in the NFL.
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And you prove my point I made in your thread.

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and u make yourself look like a lieing homer who just wants to get eli out there... PLEASE TELL ME WHY if u think they are even, u would choose big ben? youre gonna tell me as a giants fan, a guy who has eli all over his sig and a guy who made his username after eli im guessing, the fan of the guy who just brought you a superbowl that you would still take ben? and u even say that u think if eli does better than 2008 that its a different ballgame. so if he doesnt then ben is better but if he does eli is better if i can infer that. so then there it is completely stupid to say that u have them dead even
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