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Old 02-05-2007, 05:27 PM    (permalink
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And that WAS very misleading title.

I didn't say Grossman is the better QB. I said he had a better year this year (which he did) and would have a better year next year. The entire way you structured the question was completely biased.
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And that WAS very misleading title.

I didn't say Grossman is the better QB. I said he had a better year this year (which he did) and would have a better year next year. The entire way you structured the question was completely biased.
Quit triple posting, and I don't care if you're known more on an internet message board than me. Congratulations, your parents must be very proud of you.

Nobody has personally attacked you, until you said people had boyfriends and that we were out of touch with our "God" when we said Favre would be better than Rex Grossman next year.

You were proven wrong in the vote.

And for my fellow Packers fans, this guy has insulted us and our love for our team plenty, you need to watch who you're endorsing.

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And that WAS very misleading title.

I didn't say Grossman is the better QB. I said he had a better year this year (which he did) and would have a better year next year. The entire way you structured the question was completely biased.
Quit triple posting, and I don't care if you're known more on an internet message board than me. Congratulations, your parents must be very proud of you.

Nobody has personally attacked you, until you said people had boyfriends and that we were out of touch with our "God" when we said Favre would be better than Rex Grossman next year.

You were proven wrong in the vote.

And for my fellow Packers fans, this guy has insulted us and our love for our team plenty, you need to watch who you're endorsing.

Thanks.
WOW...man your horse is high...how about you come back down to Earth with the rest of us...hes just busting chops because hes got to defend the fact that his team can never win a championship with Grossman at QB...stop crying like a little girl and take a shot back. You make us all look like weak little pansies that cant take a joke.
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And that WAS very misleading title.

I didn't say Grossman is the better QB. I said he had a better year this year (which he did) and would have a better year next year. The entire way you structured the question was completely biased.
Quit triple posting, and I don't care if you're known more on an internet message board than me. Congratulations, your parents must be very proud of you.

Nobody has personally attacked you, until you said people had boyfriends and that we were out of touch with our "God" when we said Favre would be better than Rex Grossman next year.

You were proven wrong in the vote.

And for my fellow Packers fans, this guy has insulted us and our love for our team plenty, you need to watch who you're endorsing.

Thanks.
WOW...man your horse is high...how about you come back down to Earth with the rest of us...hes just busting chops because hes got to defend the fact that his team can never win a championship with Grossman at QB...stop crying like a little girl and take a shot back. You make us all look like weak little pansies that cant take a joke.
I did take a shot at him. You can read that a few pages ago. I was defending the team. Yeah. Maybe you need to check yourself, buddy.
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And that WAS very misleading title.

I didn't say Grossman is the better QB. I said he had a better year this year (which he did) and would have a better year next year. The entire way you structured the question was completely biased.
Quit triple posting, and I don't care if you're known more on an internet message board than me. Congratulations, your parents must be very proud of you.

Nobody has personally attacked you, until you said people had boyfriends and that we were out of touch with our "God" when we said Favre would be better than Rex Grossman next year.

You were proven wrong in the vote.

And for my fellow Packers fans, this guy has insulted us and our love for our team plenty, you need to watch who you're endorsing.

Thanks.
WOW...man your horse is high...how about you come back down to Earth with the rest of us...hes just busting chops because hes got to defend the fact that his team can never win a championship with Grossman at QB...stop crying like a little girl and take a shot back. You make us all look like weak little pansies that cant take a joke.
I did take a shot at him. You can read that a few pages ago. I was defending the team. Yeah. Maybe you need to check yourself, buddy.
I need to check nothing, double J, Im taking it upon myself to call out you and anybody else on the Packer thread that wants to whine about 51 being an idiot for the sake of being sarcastic. You and everyone else need to quit whining about as good a poster as 51 needling people on this thread. Take shots back. Theres no reason to attempt to call him out on it, as if that would possibly make any difference. The point is that its humorous and fun, not that anyones out to be after anyone or p*ss people off. Its much more fun to pop over into the Bears thread and needle them back. If enough people start, and keep whining, the mods are going to just shut sh*t down and then its no fun anymore.
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He actually isn't a bad poster when it comes to anything but the packers. He even isn't too bad of a homer when talking about the bears. But as soon as the Packers come in, his common sense goes out the window. I actually quite enjoy most of his posts that aren't on the Packer board.
His knowledge on the Packers is better than some of the Packer fans I've seen on here.
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wow the last few pages has been crap, sorry if ive added to any of it. as far a favre vs. grossman, i think the bears would have rather had favre starting for their team if they had to pick from quarterbacks on the packers and bears roster. steve young says he thinks brett is the best ever. he said it on national TV, its not like very few people think favre is good. for those who say favre should have hung it up, he is a much better quarterback than anyone else on our roster so it is better that he is still around.
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Like I said about 15 pages back, I used to come on here all the time to talk about the packers. Now it's just a bunch of people arguing. What are you accomplishing going back and forth on internet posting? making yourself look tough? no. shut the hell up and talk about Green Bay, Brett Favre, next season, the draft, the offseason, ANYTHING...my god. :x
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Sorry to insult your boyfriend, but as far as common sense goes don't you find it odd that only Packers fans and Sean Salisbury still think Favre is a top NFL QB? Make a thread in the NFL thread about whether Grossman or Favre will have a better season next year. You might be suprised at the outcome. But whatever...most of you guys are so completely hopeless and out to lunch when it comes to your "God" that it wouldn't matter anyway.
http://nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/v...ic.php?t=34920

Nope, exactly how I figured it would be.
You shouldn't bothered, that guy has no credibility at all, of course he's going to be wrong about nearly everything pertaining to common sense.
surprised he hasn't brought up his little ******** phd yet. He's kinda like the guy everyone thought was cool but then once we all got a brain we realized how we were dead wrong.
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This is getting pathetic.....SOOOOOOOOO how bout the Packers drafting Laron landry. Maybe we address RB in free agency or put it off another year, or maybe Lynch is flat out gone. I like Lynch and try not to get my heart set on one guy cuz I have no control over it. I got faith TT will do the right thing. The draft is his strength as a GM.
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This is getting way out of control. Bears fans should stay out of our thread and packers fans should stay out of theirs. This is what a team thread is for. O, and the comment about knowing more about football than some Packer fans was i little too much. Everyone one here should agree that the people who post on these forums are not your average arm chair quarterbacks. I never played football. I ran track and cross country. But i am a diehard Football fan, not just a packer fan. You may not agree with what people say but keep the "idiot", "moron", and "stupid" comments out of it. Anyway, enough of my rambling. Bearsfan 51: I don't agree with you posting crap about the packers on our thread (unless some packer fan pulled that crap in your forum,) but I do respect your thoughts and insight on subjects outside of the bears and packers. You have some very valid points that I ofton agree with. I just want to say that i agree to disagree with you on some or most subjects about our teams. I apologize if i upset anyone. I can't wait until the combine.
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The Randy Moss comment is interesting -- it tells me what he thinks of Moss as a player. I'm beginning to think he may give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for him, his comments make it seem he thinks they could've done better. But again, he still loves the draft. Either way, we're going to a. get Moss, or b. get a good, young player. With Ted, it's a win-win situation, which is why I really like him.
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wow the last few pages has been crap, sorry if ive added to any of it. as far a favre vs. grossman, i think the bears would have rather had favre starting for their team if they had to pick from quarterbacks on the packers and bears roster. steve young says he thinks brett is the best ever. he said it on national TV, its not like very few people think favre is good. for those who say favre should have hung it up, he is a much better quarterback than anyone else on our roster so it is better that he is still around.
See, this is what should be common knowledge. But the arguement understandably so, always seems to turn to the "future." And with Rex being 20 something, and god being 37, Rex
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I like the thought of getting Laron landry. Lynch would be a sweet addition too. I think it all depends on the what happens before then. Is there really a chance the pack get Moss? I know it's been discussed to death, but I wonder how real this is. Any chance the Pack trade down??
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Actually, now that I look AT IT, it's kinda funny. This is what Packer Bear rivalry is all about. Feels like Im back home in Kenosha agian.
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I like the thought of getting Laron landry. Lynch would be a sweet addition too. I think it all depends on the what happens before then. Is there really a chance the pack get Moss? I know it's been discussed to death, but I wonder how real this is. Any chance the Pack trade down??
Trading down is always a possibility, but it's less likely this year for the following reason: our needs are getting smaller. Last year, there were glaring needs for a LB (Hawk), two guards (Colledge and Spitz), and WR (Jennings and Rodgers), to go along with moderate needs for more LB depth (Hodge), O-line depth (Moll), and secondary depth (Blackmon and Culver).

This year our glaring needs are: RB and TE. Moderate needs are: S, WR, return man, and secondary depth. We've reached a point where quality is trumping quantity.

The o-line is in place for the next 3 or 4 years (7 or 8 on the interior), LB is more or less set, QB is not an issue this year, our CBs are aging but competent for the next 1 to 3 years, the D-line is the strength of the team, and the two starting WR spots are covered sufficiently for the next couple years. It remains possible that Underwood or Culver can take the S spot from Manuel, but that is not certain.

But with Thompson, as has been stated by myself and others, he values players far differently than other GMs, and can land his man with a later choice -- hence the trade-downs. I expect 2 or 3 in '07.
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Ny, very good info. Definitely makes sense. Who would you draft?

As for the Defense, thoughts on KGB? And do we like Jenkins comin off the edge? I think DE is a need as well. And a return man could be used. Robinson comes back in week 2 or three right? He's got to stay clean too.
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Ny, very good info. Definitely makes sense. Who would you draft?

As for the Defense, thoughts on KGB? And do we like Jenkins comin off the edge? I think DE is a need as well. And a return man could be used. Robinson comes back in week 2 or three right? He's got to stay clean too.
Jenkins had three sacks in non pass rushing situations in the Vikings game...granted it was against a raw rookie QB and a less than stellar o line, but still...he has got the tools to be a first through third down force. Ive mentioned it before but he feels a lot to me like hes got about a 50% chance of being Cletidus Hunt, round two. KGB could still be a factor on pass rushing downs, but I cant see him being effective too much more beyond that. We did draft Jason Hunter last season to groom him into being exactly that...a situational pass rusher. I cant really see DE being a major priority this offseason. I could see DE and DT being addresses with some project type guys in the later rounds.
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Like I said, most of you dudes are cool, thanks for showing some objectivity. Here's your thread back. Sorry for the ruckus.
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Yeah it's all good bearfan.

My thoughts on the whole Moss thing is if we talk about it enough, maybe just maybe it will come true.
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Like I said in another thread. When the thread doesn't have to do with the packers, bf51 is one of the posters I respect most on the board. He is even objective when talking about the bears. But whenever the packers are involved he lets his homer get the best of him and can never say anything good about the packers. Which is understandable, I can't say anything good about the bears(other than about urlacher) and I definitely cant say anything good about the vikings. Unfortunately Romo is slowly changing my mind about the evil cowboys.
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Like I said in another thread. When the thread doesn't have to do with the packers, bf51 is one of the posters I respect most on the board. He is even objective when talking about the bears. But whenever the packers are involved he lets his homer get the best of him and can never say anything good about the packers. Which is understandable, I can't say anything good about the bears(other than about urlacher) and I definitely cant say anything good about the vikings. Unfortunately Romo is slowly changing my mind about the evil cowboys.
Romo sucks. Hes going to be emotionally scarred for the rest of his career like his name was Robert Ferguson after that botched hold.
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I would draft Okoye if available (BPA philosophy), he would make our D-Line one of the best in the NFL.

My big board of players who could reasonably be available:
1. Amobi Okoye
2. Marshawn Lynch
3. LaRon Landry
4. Dwayne Jarret
5. Reggie Nelson
6. Dwayne Bowe
7. Michael Griffin
8. Darrelle Revis
9. Sidney Rice
10. Robery Meachem

For Round 2:
1. Kenny Irons
2. Zach Miller
3. Greg Olsen
4. Tony Hunt
5. Michael Bush
6. Anthony Gonzalez
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Like I said in another thread. When the thread doesn't have to do with the packers, bf51 is one of the posters I respect most on the board. He is even objective when talking about the bears. But whenever the packers are involved he lets his homer get the best of him and can never say anything good about the packers. Which is understandable, I can't say anything good about the bears(other than about urlacher) and I definitely cant say anything good about the vikings. Unfortunately Romo is slowly changing my mind about the evil cowboys.
Romo sucks. Hes going to be emotionally scarred for the rest of his career like his name was Robert Ferguson after that botched hold.
He just plays so much like Brett Favre I can't help but like him.
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