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Old 11-19-2006, 07:07 PM    (permalink
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Packers are definitely in for a drafting of Marshawn Lynch.
eh, what's the point we don't even give the ball to the RB's anymore. :? We need another WR so we can just go full on Colts offense, minus Manning. :evil:

The Packers reluctance to run the ball, even when Favre was clearly struggling, is very frustrating. Our offense doesn't move the ball and our defense doesn't get to rest, that's a recipe for disaster. :|
Its hard to get the ball to the RBs when they are barely getting to line of scrimmage every play. Green had 8 rushes for 11 yards at one point in the game. Its hard to keep running it with those stats. This wasnt all Greens fault a lot of those plays there wasnt anything he could do. The o-line was terrible today, but they will get better with time.

We do need a RB in the offseason tho.
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eh, what's the point we don't even give the ball to the RB's anymore. :? We need another WR so we can just go full on Colts offense, minus Manning. :evil:

The Packers reluctance to run the ball, even when Favre was clearly struggling, is very frustrating. Our offense doesn't move the ball and our defense doesn't get to rest, that's a recipe for disaster. :|
Its hard to get the ball to the RBs when they are barely getting to line of scrimmage every play. Green had 8 rushes for 11 yards at one point in the game. Its hard to keep running it with those stats. This wasnt all Greens fault a lot of those plays there wasnt anything he could do. The o-line was terrible today, but they will get better with time.

We do need a RB in the offseason tho.
The bottom line is we need playmakers.
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eh, what's the point we don't even give the ball to the RB's anymore. :? We need another WR so we can just go full on Colts offense, minus Manning. :evil:

The Packers reluctance to run the ball, even when Favre was clearly struggling, is very frustrating. Our offense doesn't move the ball and our defense doesn't get to rest, that's a recipe for disaster. :|
Its hard to get the ball to the RBs when they are barely getting to line of scrimmage every play. Green had 8 rushes for 11 yards at one point in the game. Its hard to keep running it with those stats. This wasnt all Greens fault a lot of those plays there wasnt anything he could do. The o-line was terrible today, but they will get better with time.

We do need a RB in the offseason tho.
I agree we do need a RB but....they had a total of 14 rushes in that game (not counting QB scrambles), 14! That's not even attempting to establish the running game. This put the defense under a constant onslaught because they couldn't get off of the field. NE had the ball for 39:10, GB for 20:50. NE had the ball for twice as long as GB, that's absolutely absurd, against a good offense you'll lose that match every time.
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Packers are definitely in for a drafting of Marshawn Lynch.
eh, what's the point we don't even give the ball to the RB's anymore. :? We need another WR so we can just go full on Colts offense, minus Manning. :evil:

The Packers reluctance to run the ball, even when Favre was clearly struggling, is very frustrating. Our offense doesn't move the ball and our defense doesn't get to rest, that's a recipe for disaster. :|
Its hard to get the ball to the RBs when they are barely getting to line of scrimmage every play. Green had 8 rushes for 11 yards at one point in the game. Its hard to keep running it with those stats. This wasnt all Greens fault a lot of those plays there wasnt anything he could do. The o-line was terrible today, but they will get better with time.

We do need a RB in the offseason tho.
I agree we do need a RB but....they had a total of 14 rushes in that game (not counting QB scrambles), 14! That's not even attempting to establish the running game. This put the defense under a constant onslaught because they couldn't get off of the field. NE had the ball for 39:10, GB for 20:50. NE had the ball for twice as long as GB, that's absolutely absurd, against a good offense you'll lose that match every time.
I agree that the TOP was terrible, and their not going to win games with those kinds of stats.

but the main reason for NE having the ball for almost twice as long was the 3 and outs. it doesnt matter how many times u run the ball if u cant get 10 yards when u have the ball. that effected the TOP more than the amount of running plays. They only had 27 pass attempts too, so its not like they passed the ball 40 times or anything. They were also behind more than 20 points for most of the game, so their probably not going to run often in that situation.

The whole offense was ineffective. thats what it comes down to
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eh, what's the point we don't even give the ball to the RB's anymore. :? We need another WR so we can just go full on Colts offense, minus Manning. :evil:

The Packers reluctance to run the ball, even when Favre was clearly struggling, is very frustrating. Our offense doesn't move the ball and our defense doesn't get to rest, that's a recipe for disaster. :|
Its hard to get the ball to the RBs when they are barely getting to line of scrimmage every play. Green had 8 rushes for 11 yards at one point in the game. Its hard to keep running it with those stats. This wasnt all Greens fault a lot of those plays there wasnt anything he could do. The o-line was terrible today, but they will get better with time.

We do need a RB in the offseason tho.
I agree we do need a RB but....they had a total of 14 rushes in that game (not counting QB scrambles), 14! That's not even attempting to establish the running game. This put the defense under a constant onslaught because they couldn't get off of the field. NE had the ball for 39:10, GB for 20:50. NE had the ball for twice as long as GB, that's absolutely absurd, against a good offense you'll lose that match every time.
I agree that the TOP was terrible, and their not going to win games with those kinds of stats.

but the main reason for NE having the ball for almost twice as long was the 3 and outs. it doesnt matter how many times u run the ball if u cant get 10 yards when u have the ball. that effected the TOP more than the amount of running plays. They only had 27 pass attempts too, so its not like they passed the ball 40 times or anything. They were also behind more than 20 points for most of the game, so their probably not going to run often in that situation.

The whole offense was ineffective. thats what it comes down to
Exactly. The Packers need to add a stud RB and WR in the draft if they want to improve on the offence.
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so in what direction do we go next? I think it was the reality check that we aren't that good and have a lot of room for improvement.
I'm not trying to start something but you were never any good. Your record was inflated by your incredibly easy schedule.
a wins a win, i don't care if its against the colts, you choice in bandwagon team, or against the lions it goes down as the same.
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I'm not trying to start something but you were never any good. Your record was inflated by your incredibly easy schedule.
a wins a win, i don't care if its against the colts, you choice in bandwagon team, or against the lions it goes down as the same.
The Packers looked like a very good football team for a few weeks before this game. It's hard to determine whether that was due to poor competetion or that the Packers had simply improved. Based on the New England game, we can probably assume that it was due to weak competetion. The Packers are a few players away from being competetive.
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so in what direction do we go next? I think it was the reality check that we aren't that good and have a lot of room for improvement.
I'm not trying to start something but you were never any good. Your record was inflated by your incredibly easy schedule.
a wins a win, i don't care if its against the colts, you choice in bandwagon team, or against the lions it goes down as the same.
The Packers looked like a very good football team for a few weeks before this game. It's hard to determine whether that was due to poor competetion or that the Packers had simply improved. Based on the New England game, we can probably assume that it was due to weak competetion. The Packers are a few players away from being competetive.
I hate to say this, but don't we sat that every year? Seems like it...
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so in what direction do we go next? I think it was the reality check that we aren't that good and have a lot of room for improvement.
I'm not trying to start something but you were never any good. Your record was inflated by your incredibly easy schedule.
a wins a win, i don't care if its against the colts, you choice in bandwagon team, or against the lions it goes down as the same.
The Packers looked like a very good football team for a few weeks before this game. It's hard to determine whether that was due to poor competetion or that the Packers had simply improved. Based on the New England game, we can probably assume that it was due to weak competetion. The Packers are a few players away from being competetive.
I hate to say this, but don't we sat that every year? Seems like it...
Not really, we were competitve 2 years ago. Last year we knew we would need to rebuild the team.
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so in what direction do we go next? I think it was the reality check that we aren't that good and have a lot of room for improvement.
I'm not trying to start something but you were never any good. Your record was inflated by your incredibly easy schedule.
a wins a win, i don't care if its against the colts, you choice in bandwagon team, or against the lions it goes down as the same.
The Packers looked like a very good football team for a few weeks before this game. It's hard to determine whether that was due to poor competetion or that the Packers had simply improved. Based on the New England game, we can probably assume that it was due to weak competetion. The Packers are a few players away from being competetive.
I hate to say this, but don't we sat that every year? Seems like it...
Most teams are a few players away from being competetive. The Packers need one or two pieces of defence and a few more pieces of offence. The biggest question mark with the Packers is if their young players will live up to expectations (Colledge, Spitz, Jennings, Hawk, Poppinga, etc.)
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I think a lot of this teams future will lie on the shoulders of A-Rod. If he can become a productive starter in the NFL then I don't think there is any reason why the Pack can't be a SB contender in 3+ years considering some of the good young players they already have.
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I think a lot of this teams future will lie on the shoulders of A-Rod. If he can become a productive starter in the NFL then I don't think there is any reason why the Pack can't be a SB contender in 3+ years considering some of the good young players they already have.
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I think a lot of this teams future will lie on the shoulders of A-Rod. If he can become a productive starter in the NFL then I don't think there is any reason why the Pack can't be a SB contender in 3+ years considering some of the good young players they already have.
He doesn't even have to be 1/4 of what Favre was and I'll be happy.
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it could very well be less than 3 years before we are contenders again. just look at this year compared to last. They are a much better team than last year, but you are right much of this depends on Rodgers.
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RODGERS OUT FOR THE YEAR?

There's talk in league circles that the ankle injury suffered by Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers in relief of Brett Favre might sideline Rodgers for the balance of the season.

The move might require the Packers to bring in a veteran quarterback down the stretch, since the only other signal-caller on the roster is roster is rookie Ingle Martin (or is it Marting Ingle?).

Rodgers replaced Favre on Sunday against the Patriots after Favre suffered an elbow injury. Favre, who also has a groin problem, is expected to play on Sunday, preserving his streak of 10,543 straight starts.
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There's talk in league circles that the ankle injury suffered by Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers in relief of Brett Favre might sideline Rodgers for the balance of the season.

The move might require the Packers to bring in a veteran quarterback down the stretch, since the only other signal-caller on the roster is roster is rookie Ingle Martin (or is it Marting Ingle?).

Rodgers replaced Favre on Sunday against the Patriots after Favre suffered an elbow injury. Favre, who also has a groin problem, is expected to play on Sunday, preserving his streak of 10,543 straight starts.
screw it, just play Martin if Favre can't go.
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There's talk in league circles that the ankle injury suffered by Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers in relief of Brett Favre might sideline Rodgers for the balance of the season.

The move might require the Packers to bring in a veteran quarterback down the stretch, since the only other signal-caller on the roster is roster is rookie Ingle Martin (or is it Marting Ingle?).

Rodgers replaced Favre on Sunday against the Patriots after Favre suffered an elbow injury. Favre, who also has a groin problem, is expected to play on Sunday, preserving his streak of 10,543 straight starts.
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Wow, even if we lost I didn't think it would be that bad, amazing the other team can score that many points when our offense didn't even turn the ball over.

A couple bright spots, Woodson, Dendy, and Harris were just fine, A.J. Hawk is now 2nd among rookies in tackles-which was the only thing missing from his resume for Defensive rookie of the year, trailing DeMeco Ryans by 5. Nick Collins made a few nice plays in the flat and showed that he can be a very good play making safety, and once I think Manuel and the rest of the defense have gotten close to fixing their problems it shows up big time. Word is Schottenhiemer is at fault for all this blown coverage crap, he needs to be fired. He's wasting Nick Collins talent and we need another safety that can cover as well as he can make plays in the box.

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The biggest problem in the secondary is lack of communication. Somebody, specifically a safety, needs to take a leadership role. Neither Collins or Manuel seems to want to take on this responsibility.
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Well Manuel is a leader on the field from everything I've heard, obviously he doesn't like to discuss his mistakes publicly because he always declines to, he's good in run support but regardless we need SOMEBODY that doesn't jeopardize the rest of the defense's talent. I mean Woodson and Harris are probably watching film today saying "what the hell is going on we keep shutting our guys down yet somehow we get torched as a team" Hell Dendy has been pretty damn good for a guy who wasn't even regarded as a member of the team at any point.

I think the days of the slow safety are numbered in this league and unless you're knocking guys out like Roy Williams and John Lynch ya just aren't worth it, I just know that something good needs to happen out of this situation.
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Old 11-20-2006, 12:01 PM    (permalink
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so in what direction do we go next? I think it was the reality check that we aren't that good and have a lot of room for improvement.
I'm not trying to start something but you were never any good. Your record was inflated by your incredibly easy schedule.
well, somebody's on the rag. :roll:
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Old 11-20-2006, 12:45 PM    (permalink
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What a piss poor effort that was. Manuel obviously is not an all-down SS.

LaRon Landry>MarShawn Lynch in R1.

I'm also not too happy with Poppinga in pass coverage. A shame that Ben Taylor hasn't done anything to get on the field. He's not the tackler that Brady is, but he's better in coverage.

If Mike Montgomery isn't going to practice well enough to be on the active roster, the Packers need to get someone better at DE and have KGB be a situational pass-rusher. NE rushed their RBs somewhere around 30 times, and over half those rushes were at KGB.

I thought Greg Jennings was open a couple of times in man coverage but his QBs could not get him the ball. Also, what happneed to Ahman Green in the passing game? Ahman's a great receiver and very effective with the ball on swings, screens and dump offs. Do we have tight ends on this roster anymore?

Bellicek gets credit for being a genius, but playing the packers is pretty easy. Attack Poppinga and Manuel in the passing game. Attack KGB in the run game. Double or triple cover Donald Driver, as evidently there is either no other pass catcher who wants the ball, or a QB who can get the ball to anyone else. It's disgraceful Troy Brown provided better coverage than our secondary did.

Having Favre bang his funny bone and losing A-Rod to a broken foot just tops the cake.

Off-season and draft needs: SS, WR, DE, TE, CB, LB, OL. I'm not sure where you're talking about the Packers being a few players away. Maybe a few starters. Their depth is not good at a number of positions and a couple injuries would show that, so hopefully the Packers do not get injured on the O-line, LB corps, or secondary.
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that game was probably one of the worst possible things that could have heppened to the packers right now.
A-rod broken foot and Favre hurt, well maybe here comes Ingle martin :) can't wait. Eh maybe not i forgot who was our QB, he dosen't get hurt.
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