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Old 04-29-2007, 11:22 PM    (permalink
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We went into the draft NEEDING to address our WR and RB problem..sure we drafted a couple RB's to compete, but we did NOTHING that will help out immediately at WR. We had 2 3rd rounders and just had to give up one for Moss...instead we took James Jones. all I can say is, Brett I feel sorry for you
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You have to explain this to me. I like our other DTs but I don't understand how you think that they are better.
Describe to me why you think Harrell deserves to be a starter over the current group of guys. Harrell will be a rookie DT who last played football on Sept. 16, three games into his senior season. Then came SURGERY, and rehab, which is not game conditioning nor off-season strength and agility building. He might be great in 2008, but I have serious doubts that a guy who tears his bicep and gets surgery will be the starter come September unless the coaches put him in due to draft status or the season goes belly-up or the guys in front of him are stiffs. He's also not a source of pressure on the QB, and that's against collegiate competition.

Speaking of the guys in front of him, Corey Williams is in a contract year and will be working harder than ever for big money. As it is, he had over 30 tackles and 7 sacks. How many full-time starters at DT in this league had that many sacks up the middle? Harrell had four sacks over his entire career against college competition. Ryan Pickett is a different type of player, but
had 64 tackles, near the tops for interior linemen. Colin Cole had over 30 tackles and I think he lead the team in tackles per play. On nfl.com's pro-comparison of who a player is like, he was compared to Johnny Jolly, who is actually already on the team and who was believed to have been a steal due to his leg injury last year and the team believed he would progress after a year of rehab and being in the off-season program.

Are any of these guys better than Harrell? I am not sure about that, but they have all been durable over the last year, have played 16 NFL games, plus training camp, plus pre-season games, and they'll all have another year learning the current defensive system and all are participating in the off-season program. What makes Harrell so great that he is going to overcome all of that and be the starter?

The only thing I've seen that he's better at is interceptions. Since the Packers are changing Korey Hall to a FB and he had six interceptions, maybe TT will change Harrell to a TE...
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I give TT a D- grade on this draft...to me Im sorry but the way the draft went completely ruined my weeknd. Im not the experts or the managers or whatever..but man nothing went the way I hoped it would NOTHING
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I give TT a D- grade on this draft...to me Im sorry but the way the draft went completely ruined my weeknd. Im not the experts or the managers or whatever..but man nothing went the way I hoped it would NOTHING
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Rd Sel# Player Pos. Ht. Wt. School
1 16 Harrell, Justin DT 6-4 305 Tennessee - Love it (#1 DT start of this year)
2 63 Jackson, Brandon RB 5-10 210 Nebraska (I Think A Steal)
3 78 Jones, James WR 6-1 207 San Jose State (Red Zone Man)
3 89 Rouse, Aaron SS 6-4 225 Virginia Tech (I LOVE HIM)
4 119 Barbre, Allen OT 6-4 300 Missouri Southern State (Steal Of The Draft)
5 157 Clowney, David WR 6-0 184 Virginia Tech (Deep Threat)
6 191 Hall, Korey ILB 6-0 232 Boise State (S.Teams Ace)
6 192 Bishop, Desmond ILB 6-2 239 California (Dont Know Much ABout)
6 193 Crosby, Mason K 6-1 214 Colorado (OUR BEST DRAFT PICK)
7 228 Wynn, DeShawn RB 5-10 238 Florida (look for him to ace in your system)
7 243 Harris, Clark TE 6-5 261 Rutgers (very good blocker)
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Mason Crosby 48-66 (Note : 8 of 18 Kicks Were 50+ Yards)

also Dave Rayner miss 10 kicks in 1 year

he miss 10 (50+) in his life

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I don't know what to think about a draft grade. I think a C is about right.

But how in the world can you give a B+ when you believe our best pick is a kicker????!!!
In my opinion, you lose all credibility based on that alone...
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But how in the world can you give a B+ when you believe our best pick is a kicker????!!!
In my opinion, you lose all credibility based on that alone...
Agree with everything you said there
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I'm targeting Rory Johnson in the 5th, and may want to trade up to get him. He's got good size and incredible speed, and came out as a junior. Could be a diamond in the rough.
^ this is from February 24th.

Anyway, he signed with us last night. He dropped because he had used marijuana in the past.

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^ this is from February 24th.

Anyway, he signed with us last night. He dropped because he had used marijuana in the past.

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honestly...how the hell are you guys getting excited about a DT who didn't play his senior year and a kicker?! We did not upgrade our offense. We have 5-6 RB's to compete and I really don't see much difference between them. The only picks I like are the T, David Clownie WR, and Rouse S..

We did not upgrade..maybe we will be better in 3 years because of this draft, bout that's about it.

I guess I am just really frustrated with the fact we did nothing to excite our fans OR Brett Favre
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honestly...how the hell are you guys getting excited about a DT who didn't play his senior year and a kicker?! We did not upgrade our offense. We have 5-6 RB's to compete and I really don't see much difference between them. The only picks I like are the T, David Clownie WR, and Rouse S..

We did not upgrade..maybe we will be better in 3 years because of this draft, bout that's about it.

I guess I am just really frustrated with the fact we did nothing to excite our fans OR Brett Favre
Look, we wern't gunna win a super bowl this year no matter how good the draft and FA was. TT is building this team for the future
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Yeah all of Thompsons picks had the future in mind. None of the players he picked jump out at you as immediate impact players. As for Harrel all you hear about him is the potential he has to be great. If you pick a guy at 16 he has to come in and produce right away. DT wasnt a need area and Leon Hall or Reggie Nelson wouldve been a great pick at that 16 spot to immediatly help out that secondary. If Thompson really wanted Harrel he couldve easily traded back and got him. Thompson really lost control of what he wanted to do this year in the draft and it is terribly dissapointing.
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James Jones will be our slot guy this year. He has four qualities that jump out at me. He will fight to the death for the ball, he has great hands, he's more quick than fast ala Greg Jennings and he has a solid character. That makes for a great wideout.

I saw Shanahan saying on NFL Network that he was interested in Harell, and the reason he traded up was he was worried somebody else would take Moss underneath him. So you can forget about this whole trading back to get Harrell.

TT drafted solid players full of potential. It's getting dumb every year with people complaining about the picks and then pretending they knew all along. Grow up kids.

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I was pretty shocked with our draft at first but the more I think about it and look into it the happier I am.

Harrell is going to be a stud....if he stays healthy. Along with Pickett teams are going to have a really hard time running up the gut on us. Not to mention, having 2 good run stuffing DTs will open things up for Barnett big time.

Brandon Jackson has a ton of talent and very little mileage. His upside is much greater than people give him credit for. Kind of reminds me of another Husker coming out of college....some guy by the name of Ahman Green. Seriously, though.....if Jackson can learn to pass pro and add just a little bulk (another 5 pounds or so) he will be an every down back. He has excellent vision, amazing cutting ability and though he isn't open field fast fast fast he has great BURST which is very important.

Between James Jones and Clowney I see AT LEAST our future #3 and potentialy a replacement for Driver. Jones is fearless, big with soft hands and a drive to succeed as well as versatility. Though he isn;t timed fast he is pretty quick with pads on. Clowney has incredible deep speed and is a very talented athlete in the "quick twitch" mode. Kid has moves and hops. He is raw but he has the potential to develop into something special.

I like Rouse a lot. Only thing that worries me about him is how good will he be in man-to-man coverage? He is pretty quick but a bit stiff. I guess we'll see. I do love his ability to defend the run and boy lays down some HITS! He is also a high character guy which I like.

Mason Crosby I really believe will be a big time kicker for along time. I live in Boulder, CO and went to CU. Believe me, this kid is going to be a great cold weather kicker and could win us some games. He's clutch.

I like Barbre as a developmental Tackle. We need to start working on that and he has athletic ability.

Korey Hall could be our future FB and Bishop could be a stud in the middle if we ever utilize some 3-4 alignments.

Deshawn Wynn in the 7th is HUGE. I question his character and work ethic for sure....but....if he comes around his talent level is undeniable. He could be a big time value as a short yardage specialist.

Harris could be a decent short yardage receiving TE and supposedly is a wonderful blocker.

All in all I'm pretty stoked. I feel good about this season and can't wait to see these guys in action.

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honestly...how the hell are you guys getting excited about a DT who didn't play his senior year and a kicker?! We did not upgrade our offense. We have 5-6 RB's to compete and I really don't see much difference between them. The only picks I like are the T, David Clownie WR, and Rouse S..

We did not upgrade..maybe we will be better in 3 years because of this draft, bout that's about it.

I guess I am just really frustrated with the fact we did nothing to excite our fans OR Brett Favre

well im a fan and im excited
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We went into the draft NEEDING to address our WR and RB problem..sure we drafted a couple RB's to compete, but we did NOTHING that will help out immediately at WR. We had 2 3rd rounders and just had to give up one for Moss...instead we took James Jones. all I can say is, Brett I feel sorry for you
I feel sorry for Favre as well. Now he only has Driver, Jennings, Ferguson, eventually Robinson, and developing Jones and Clowney to throw to. If only we had a star reciever, and a solid corps. backing him. Oh wait...
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I feel sorry for Favre as well. Now he only has Driver, Jennings, Ferguson, eventually Robinson, and developing Jones and Clowney to throw to. If only we had a star reciever, and a solid corps. backing him. Oh wait...
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Reading the Green Bay Press Gazette today and I found this article quite interesting:

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We went into the draft NEEDING to address our WR and RB problem..sure we drafted a couple RB's to compete, but we did NOTHING that will help out immediately at WR. We had 2 3rd rounders and just had to give up one for Moss...instead we took James Jones. all I can say is, Brett I feel sorry for you
WOOT WOOT Rory Johnson a packer yes! Randy Moss didnt want to restruct his contract for us so why would u want to waste a 3rd on him and pay the guy 9-10 million a year????
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After thinking it over today I think that this past weekend's draft was definitely suited more for the future than for the present but with that we can still be very optimistic for the 2007 season.

Quarterbacks: Last time I checked Brett Favre is still walking through that door and playing on Sundays. A man that can make all the throws and knows what it takes to build and play for a championship. If Brett were to go down, third year quarterback Aaron Rodgers can step in and manage the game and he won't make mistakes that will bury you.

Running Back: Vernand Morency is the number one back right now, but he really came on at the end of last season and, IMO, can carry a majority of the load. When Morency isn't on the field rookie back Brandon Jackson will be depended on and he has the vision and agility to play well in the NFL. If absolutely necessary Noah Herron can alos step in and he doesn't seem to be too bad of a third option.

Wide Receiver: Donald Driver, although he continues to age, is still a Pro Bowl caliber player that Brett can turst and Donald will make several plays throughout the season that will make Packers fans smile. Greg Jennings enters year two and he now knows what it takes to go through an entire NFL season. I expect him to show us more of his early season form on a more consistent basis this coming year. Ruvell Martin is a big target for Brett has a third option and he played well towards the end of last season. Former 2nd round pick Robert Ferguson returns from injury and his ability to perform will be something we will have to wait and see about. David Clowney may provide the Packers with their lone deep threat in the passing game if he's given an oppurtunity outside of special teams.

Offensive Line: All five starters will return and this group will only continue to improve as they learn to mesh as a unit. There's a good mix of proven veterans and bright and talented youngsters to complete the group. Kevin Barry returns from injury and rookie Allen Barbre provides the packers with alot of versatility along the line if someone were to go down for an extended period of time.

Defensive Line: This group only begins what is a very solid defensive unit. The defensive ends are extremely talented with Pro Bowler Aaron Kampan and Cullen Jenkins, who appears to be set for good things as the packers move him outside. Kabeer Gbaja Biamila is available on rushing downs and to fill in in case of injuries and he's not too bad of a backup option. The defensive tackle position was strong before the draft and got even stronger following the draft. Ryan Pickett, Corey Williams, and Colin Cole all played very well lasy year and then to add the 16th overall pick to this group will make them one of the best set of DTs in the league.

Linebackers: If I'm an opposing team I am very fearful of this part of the Packers defense. There's two sensational former 1st rounders in AJ Hawk and Nick Barnett and then there's Brady Poppinga who continues to learn the position but continues to make strides in becmoing a very good NFL player. Abdul Hodge and a host of rookie LBs round out htis unit that will scare many opposing teams when they come to Lambeau.

Secondary: Charles Woodson and Al Harris are staples at the corner postion and teams better think twice before throwing the ball in the irection of one of these two. The 3rd or 4th option at corner is still up in the air a bit but Patriclk Dendy showed a bit of promise towards the end of the last year and the Packers lone free agent addition, Frank Walker, has the athletism to make it in the NFL but his technique could use a little work. At safety Nick Collins will hold that post for the next decade and may see a few Pro Bowls before everything is said and done, but the other safety spot is up in the air. I don't expect rookie Aaron Rouse to compete for this position and it'll come down to Marquand Manuel and Marviel Underwood. Manuel struggled some in his first season with Green Bay but he can played at a better level than what we've seen. Underwood, who I expect will be the starter on opening day, was injured last year and never got to showcase how well he can play. He was a stud in college and I think he could be a very nice compliment to Nick Collins at safety.

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We went into the draft NEEDING to address our WR and RB problem..sure we drafted a couple RB's to compete, but we did NOTHING that will help out immediately at WR. We had 2 3rd rounders and just had to give up one for Moss...instead we took James Jones. all I can say is, Brett I feel sorry for you
WR is a highly overated need. Im looking forward to seeing what Ruvell Martin and Greg Jennings are going to do this year. And yes I said RUVELL MARTIN.
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I don't expect rookie Aaron Rouse to compete for this position and it'll come down to Marquand Manuel and Marviel Underwood.
I liked it aside from that part, I have to defend guys from my highschool.
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WR is a highly overated need. Im looking forward to seeing what Ruvell Martin and Greg Jennings are going to do this year. And yes I said RUVELL MARTIN.
I have Ruvell Martin not making the team. Right now it's a tossup between DeShawn Wynn and Martin to make the final cut. I can't decide for sure yet, but as of now, Wynn is making the team.

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I have Ruvell Martin not making the team. Right now it's a tossup between DeShawn Wynn and Martin to make the final cut. I can't decide for sure yet, but as of now, Wynn is making the team.
the final cut will could be;
OL- these are all young and they will be replaced by youth.
Kevin Barry, Tyson Walter, Junius Coston

RB- We got 2 rb in the draft no need for them.
PJ Pope, Arliss Beach, Noah Herron

TE- Clark Harris is the replacement.
Tory Humphrey

WR- We got 2 WR in the draft.
Calvin Russell, Chris Francies, Robert Ferguson, Carlton Brewster

DL-Unknown players.
Devarick Scandrett, Jason Hunter/KGB

LB-We got Bishop, Rory Johnson, and Simpson.
Tracy White, Marcus Randall, Spencer Havner, Tim Goodwell

DB- We got Rouse and these players arnt worth a roster, 50/50 on Bush.
Atari Bigby, Antonio Malone, Alvin Nnabuife, Tramon Williams, Jarrett Bush

ST- We drafted Corsby in the draft.
Dave Rayner

these are cutable players. These are 23 players that might be cut.
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I have Ruvell Martin not making the team. Right now it's a tossup between DeShawn Wynn and Martin to make the final cut. I can't decide for sure yet, but as of now, Wynn is making the team.
Yeah, I think Ferguson and Holiday are obvious choices as cuts at WR. martin could be as well depending on how many we keep. Though I think it would be best to keep 5 with Driver, Jennings, Clowney, Jones, and Martin.
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