Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 186

Football Fan · 05-05-2007, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by narf029

Right, the problem is if we sign Keyshawn we'd likely have Driver, Jennings, Keyshawn, Jones, and Clowney, because I doubt we cut either of the rookies after investing draft picks in both. Driver has nothing to learn, Jennings and Clowney are both speed receivers who would not be able to learn a thing from Keyshawn, a 6'4'' possession receiver. Jones is a possession receiver, but he's not a jump ball, throw it up and I'll get it type of guy like Keyshawn was in his prime. When you heard about Keyshawn teaching Dwayne Jarrett all he needs to know, that's because the 2 are virtually the same player, Jarrett needs to use his body more, and that's Keyshawn's specialty. 2nd of all, Keyshawn's not even that good. He hasn't had a 1000 yard season since 2002. He had something like 800 yards and 4 TDs last year (and he had a big game against the Vikings if I remember right, so that barely even counts). Keyshawn has been cut twice in the past 2 years. That isn't random, there's a reason he's been cut. He's overpaid for what he does, and he just doesn't produce anymore.

The packers cant be run like a farm team, they also have to have proven players that can handle the big time. The way Thomson is running the pack they will always have a boat load of prospects and have to cut many low rounders and undrafted players after they are evaluated.There is only so many roster spots and the goal is to win games. That is going to take a good mix of proven players and quality youth that will eventually replace them when theres skills have been surpassed. A continuous cycle. Its up to Thomson to out evaluate the rest of the nfl teams in order to reach the super bowl.

Football Fan · 05-05-2007, 02:17 AM

I think Thomson might be willing to cut clowney or jones. I think the wide receiver group is going to have to put up the numbers or be cut. The pack wont have the conveniance of being able to hold onto someone based on potential this year. 2 veteran and basically 4 rookies wont cut if you count jennings as a vet plus he could hit the 2nd year wall. Ferg hasnt ever been reliable and I dont know if they keep him if they do its for special teams. Keyshawn would make sense.

TitleTown088 · 05-05-2007, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitschke-Hawk

Hahaha, that's pretty funny.
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princefielder28 · 05-05-2007, 08:32 AM

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Hahaha, that's pretty funny.

You guys like my new sig? my boy kalbears13 did it after i responded to the brady quinn design, it's Brett Favre going up a ramp on a wheelchair doing the Lambeau Roll, cause he's gettin up there in age. :)

It's a decent sig

princefielder28 · 05-05-2007, 08:42 AM

On draft day Ted Thompson rejected a trade offer from the Cleveland Browns that would've sent the 16th pick, Packers 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and 4th rounder for Cleveland's 2008 1st rounder, 2007 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and 4th rounder. So pretty much we swap 2nd, 3rd, and 4ths this past year and they would've gotten our 1st this past year and we would've gotten their 1st next year. IMO, that would have been touhg to reject given what that pick could be worth. The Browns play in the tough a$$ AFC with the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals in their division. We could have had a Top 10 pick next year.

05-05-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

On draft day Ted Thompson rejected a trade offer from the Cleveland Browns that would've sent the 16th pick, Packers 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and 4th rounder for Cleveland's 2008 1st rounder, 2007 2nd rounder, 3rd rounder, and 4th rounder. So pretty much we swap 2nd, 3rd, and 4ths this past year and they would've gotten our 1st this past year and we would've gotten their 1st next year. IMO, that would have been touhg to reject given what that pick could be worth. The Browns play in the tough a$$ AFC with the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals in their division. We could have had a Top 10 pick next year.

This would have been a bad trade for the Packers. Future draft picks are typically valued down one round so basically we would have been giving up our 1st rounder for the value of a 2nd rounder. There is no way of knowing where next year's 1st from the Browns would be and what type of value would have been available there in terms of players.

Now, had the Browns offered next year's 1st rounder and this year's 2nd and 3rd or 2nd and 4th straight up I may have considered it a good trade.

johbur · 05-05-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Football Fan

I think Thomson might be willing to cut clowney or jones. I think the wide receiver group is going to have to put up the numbers or be cut. The pack wont have the conveniance of being able to hold onto someone based on potential this year. 2 veteran and basically 4 rookies wont cut if you count jennings as a vet plus he could hit the 2nd year wall. Ferg hasnt ever been reliable and I dont know if they keep him if they do its for special teams. Keyshawn would make sense.

I think you are more likely to see some of these young receivers end up on IR, with a mysterious Kurt Campbell type of injury. TT has plenty of cap space and can keep as many guys on the roster as he wants on the lower end with IR. Then they're working out, learning the system and I think they get to practice once healthy on the scout team.

princefielder28 · 05-05-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PackAttack

This would have been a bad trade for the Packers. Future draft picks are typically valued down one round so basically we would have been giving up our 1st rounder for the value of a 2nd rounder. There is no way of knowing where next year's 1st from the Browns would be and what type of value would have been available there in terms of players.

Now, had the Browns offered next year's 1st rounder and this year's 2nd and 3rd or 2nd and 4th straight up I may have considered it a good trade.

I have to disagree with you b/c if you look at the trade and the value of each pick the value of that 1st rounder would be #21. Now after looking at the Browns team and their schedule I have a hard time believing that they'll be good enough to be competing for the playoffs. I think they could win as many as 7 games and win as few as 4. I have them as guaranteed wins against Detroit, Oakland, Houston, and Buffalo and I'm not even 100% sure about those. Then toss up wins at home aginst Pittsburgh, on the road at Arizona, and at home against San Francisco. Looking at that I find it hard to believe that the Browns would be picking outside the Top 10 next year and they could possibly be one of the 5 worst teams. Unfortunately we will not have the luxury of potentially having that pick b/c we rejected an offer and the Cowboys capitalized on it.

narf029 · 05-05-2007, 12:27 PM

Right, plus the swapping of picks would have been pretty valuable as well. With the Browns 2nd rounder we could have taken Jarrett or Rice like TT apparently wanted to, or we could have traded down for more value than what we got. Same concept with their 3rd and 4th rounders. Plus, I personally think it's safe to say that the Browns would have had a pick higher than 16 next season (point to the Saints all you want, but they're a completely different situation than the Browns are). Plus, the Browns pick has a lot more upside than ours did. We took Justin Harrell this year, the Browns are a perennial top 5 pick. I don't know about anyone else here, but I would gladly trade Justin Harrell for the rights to Glenn Dorsey.

Jim Jim · 05-05-2007, 12:34 PM

You can't predict an NFL season. Games are won and lost by one or two plays.

I would have loved to have two first rounders next year, but I like Justin Harrell and think him with Pickett will improve our entire defense.

Football Fan · 05-05-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

I have to disagree with you b/c if you look at the trade and the value of each pick the value of that 1st rounder would be #21. Now after looking at the Browns team and their schedule I have a hard time believing that they'll be good enough to be competing for the playoffs. I think they could win as many as 7 games and win as few as 4. I have them as guaranteed wins against Detroit, Oakland, Houston, and Buffalo and I'm not even 100% sure about those. Then toss up wins at home aginst Pittsburgh, on the road at Arizona, and at home against San Francisco. Looking at that I find it hard to believe that the Browns would be picking outside the Top 10 next year and they could possibly be one of the 5 worst teams. Unfortunately we will not have the luxury of potentially having that pick b/c we rejected an offer and the Cowboys capitalized on it.

I have to agree with you, I highly doubt the browns draft higher than 16 and even if its around 20 or so the pack will have made up a lot of points with the upgrade in this years 2nd 3rd and 4th. I dont know if next years draft is supposed to be more talented than this years but if it is thats worth a lot there to.

Football Fan · 05-05-2007, 02:26 PM

Now if Harell turns out to be great I can see where thompson is comming from, but I dont harell was picked out of default do to the way the draft went. Not because he was targetted off the get go do to him being this awsome sleeeper.

princefielder28 · 05-05-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Football Fan

Now if Harell turns out to be great I can see where thompson is comming from, but I dont harell was picked out of default do to the way the draft went. Not because he was targetted off the get go do to him being this awsome sleeeper.

Harrell was selected, IMO, becuase Thompson did not take the injuries as a big thing to watch out for and he just looked as his abilities and what he had done in games he was actually healthy in. If thats the case it a fairly decent pick but no one knows if he'll stay healthy for an extended period time and whether he was really the BPA regardless of those injuries.

Football Fan · 05-05-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Football Fan

Now if Harell turns out to be great I can see where thompson is comming from, but I dont harell was picked out of default do to the way the draft went. Not because he was targetted off the get go do to him being this awsome sleeeper.

Typo, "but I dont harell was picked out of default do to the way the draft went."
Meant to say, but I think harell was picked out of default do to the way the draft went.

Pack_Attack_4 · 05-05-2007, 07:28 PM

Jaguars cornerback Ahmad Carroll was busted on Saturday morning in Atlanta.

Carroll is charged with carrying a concealed weapon, carrying a pistol without a permit, and possession of Ecstasy.

what a waste of a 1st rounder.

iloxygenil · 05-05-2007, 07:30 PM

Poor Ahmad...well not really...but poor Packers if only he was half the football player he was an athlete he'd have been real solid for you guys.

Favre4 · 05-05-2007, 10:49 PM

i dont think there is anyway in you know what that clowney gets cut.

jackalope · 05-05-2007, 11:09 PM

I would have loved it if we'd accepted that trade.

johbur · 05-06-2007, 04:24 AM

—DT Colin Cole: ERFA; $435,000/1 yr.
—LS Rob Davis: Potential UFA; $820,000/1 yr.
—RB Noah Herron: ERFA; $435,000/1 yr.
—WR Carlyle Holiday: ERFA; $435,000/1 yr.
—TE Tory Humphrey: ERFA; $360,000/1 yr.
—DE Cullen Jenkins: Potential RFA; $16M/4 yrs, $6M SB.
—TE Donald Lee: Potential UFA; $595,000/1 yr.
—T/G Tyson Walter: UFA; $701,240/1 yr, $40,000 SB.
—LB Tracy White: UFA; $641,240/1 yr, $25,000 SB.

I am thinking that if TT gave a player a signing bonus, he's a little more inclined to keep them on the roster. I'd like White to stick with the team, but he'll need to hold off Desmond and Rory. I like having Tyson Walter on the team, and with Moll and Barbre backing up, they only need to keep 8 linemen active on game day.

Glad Ahmad got arrested as a Jag instead of as a Packer. Maybe that's why his dumb ass couldn't get the NFL, he's too wired with X.

Good articles on JS Online about the draft picks. Rouse and Jones, in particular.

Dave Tollefson looked great in his NFLE game. He had a couple of sacks and put a lot of pressure on the QB. His team won the game, but the other team had a kicker from the Cowboys that missed a game-tying field goal.

Jim Jim · 05-06-2007, 11:58 AM

Dude, Carlton Brewster is tearing NFL Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if he beat out Ruvell Martin/Holiday/Ferguson.

Jmohr107 · 05-06-2007, 02:20 PM

Brewster is doing pretty well but I doubt he'll make the roster. I remember last year when Chad Lucas tore up NFL Europe, then he got cut.

princefielder28 · 05-06-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Jim

Dude, Carlton Brewster is tearing NFL Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if he beat out Ruvell Martin/Holiday/Ferguson.

It is still NFL Europe; players can be great but they still have to prove themselves on this side of the pond.

princefielder28 · 05-06-2007, 04:17 PM

http://packers.com/news/stories/2007/05/06/1/

Just some initial reaction from HC Mike McCarthy following work with the newcomers

johbur · 05-06-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Jim

Dude, Carlton Brewster is tearing NFL Europe. I wouldn't be surprised if he beat out Ruvell Martin/Holiday/Ferguson.

All I saw was the last of the the fourth quarter on the NFL channel. It was around 2 am or so, I believe. And Dave Tollefson was punking the LT he was going against play after play. If the QB, I think it was Meyer, wasn't so mobile, Dave would have have four sacks in the fourth quarter. He applied some very good pressure and had some solid pass rushing moves, in particular his feint on the edge and then ripping under was responsible for a sack and a big hit on the QB.

I like Carlton Brewster, but TT just seems determined to get Sherman's picks off his team, and to replace the UDFAs with his draftees.

jackalope · 05-07-2007, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by johbur

I like Carlton Brewster, but TT just seems determined to get Sherman's picks off his team, and to replace the UDFAs with his draftees.

Brewster was acquired in a trade last preseason, so he wasn't a Sherman pick.