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Old 06-19-2007, 12:03 PM    (permalink
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Just stop talking right there before you make a fool out of yourself. There is no place in GB for Pepper.
Yeah, because it makes much more sense to rely on a guy who hasn't played in the NFL yet.

We are going to have to bring in a veteran at some point, this is probably Favre's last year and Rodgers seems pretty shaky. What's wrong with Culpepper? Maybe you should have actually read the rest of my post...

If he is brought in to compete for a starting job he obviously isn't going to cost us much, and pretty much every team has a veteran, not just an Ingle Martin on the roster when transitioning to a young QB. And since we don't need him til next year, like I said, it probably wouldn't happen anyway.
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Yeah, because it makes much more sense to rely on a guy who hasn't played in the NFL yet.

We are going to have to bring in a veteran at some point, this is probably Favre's last year and Rodgers seems pretty shaky. What's wrong with Culpepper? Maybe you should have actually read the rest of my post...

If he is brought in to compete for a starting job he obviously isn't going to cost us much, and pretty much every team has a veteran, not just an Ingle Martin on the roster when transitioning to a young QB. And since we don't need him til next year, like I said, it probably wouldn't happen anyway.
How is Rodgers shaky? He hasn't had his chance. I think Culpepper is pretty shaky since he's only got 1 good knee. Culpepper won't ever be the same. Most of his big plays came as a result of the defense having to protect his scrambling and him being a lot more mobile than he is now, and he had Randy Moss in his prime.

Now I'm not trying to compare Favre to Rodgers, but Favre struggled in his first couple years as well. I remember seeing something where Holmgren was really close to benching Favre and starting Brunell cause of his poor play. But Holmgren stuck with him and I guess he turned out alright. I say we should stick with Aaron Rodgers, and take our chances.
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It really bothers me when people start talking like Rodgers is gonna be a bust and hasn't played well. I just don't know what people are basing this off, seeing as how he has gotten very little playing time. Rodgers replaces Favre once he retires and get 1-2 seasons before we give up. I understand the idea of bringing in a vet as backup for Rodgers, but we don't need one yet.
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yeah, most packer fans would give their left nut go golf with #4. bro thought he had a realistic chance...gotta go for it.

just like asking a girl out that's way outa your league....you'll probably get shot down..but, ya just gotta try.
My grandpa golfed with Favre at the Lombardi classic around 10 years ago. I rode the cart with Favre for a while.

With an attitude like that, of course you are gonna get shot down more times than not.
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It really bothers me when people start talking like Rodgers is gonna be a bust and hasn't played well. I just don't know what people are basing this off, seeing as how he has gotten very little playing time. Rodgers replaces Favre once he retires and get 1-2 seasons before we give up. I understand the idea of bringing in a vet as backup for Rodgers, but we don't need one yet.
The problem with Rodgers is that he has not shown more ability that mangaing a game. He doesn't make spectacular throws or avoid pressure that well. He will be an average QB in this league, and many Packers' fan will expect more from someone who replaces Favre. Rodgers will not start more than 2 years here and that is the truth. I hope he has success and is a QB for a long time but he just doesn't have that thing about him that sets him above other average QBs.
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I've been trying to say exactly what you are - he hasn't played a game yet. Thus, it would be a good idea to have other options on the roster besides Ingle Martin.

It's not that I'm calling Rodgers a bust but rather reminding everyone that we shouldn't be depending on a guy that hasn't done anything besides be a first round pick, one that plummeted draft day might I add.
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Yeah, because it makes much more sense to rely on a guy who hasn't played in the NFL yet.

We are going to have to bring in a veteran at some point, this is probably Favre's last year and Rodgers seems pretty shaky. What's wrong with Culpepper? Maybe you should have actually read the rest of my post...

If he is brought in to compete for a starting job he obviously isn't going to cost us much, and pretty much every team has a veteran, not just an Ingle Martin on the roster when transitioning to a young QB. And since we don't need him til next year, like I said, it probably wouldn't happen anyway.
and what has pepper proved? he cant win without Moss.
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The problem with Rodgers is that he has not shown more ability that mangaing a game. He doesn't make spectacular throws or avoid pressure that well. He will be an average QB in this league, and many Packers' fan will expect more from someone who replaces Favre. Rodgers will not start more than 2 years here and that is the truth. I hope he has success and is a QB for a long time but he just doesn't have that thing about him that sets him above other average QBs.
We haven't seen NEARLY enough of Rodgers to make that determination. From a skillset standpoint, he has all the tools. He has a strong arm with good accuracy. He is mobile and can make plays outside of the pocket. He's smart and can digest a playbook. Will he be a good QB? Who knows. We do know that he'll be the next starting QB in Green Bay and he'll be given at least a couple years to prove himself. People saying anything else are just making baseless speculations.

As for acquiring Culpper, I don't see the point. Favre, Rodgers, and Martin is a suitable QB unit for this season. Once Favre retires, a veteran will be brought in but not to start. Cross that hurdle when it comes though.
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I guess the Culpepper argument isn't really worth debating because we all seem to agree that it's not going to happen this year...I don't think I made that too clear before. I guess I'm just bored in the offseason and thinking too far ahead.
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We haven't seen NEARLY enough of Rodgers to make that determination. From a skillset standpoint, he has all the tools. He has a strong arm with good accuracy. He is mobile and can make plays outside of the pocket. He's smart and can digest a playbook. Will he be a good QB? Who knows. We do know that he'll be the next starting QB in Green Bay and he'll be given at least a couple years to prove himself. People saying anything else are just making baseless speculations.

As for acquiring Culpper, I don't see the point. Favre, Rodgers, and Martin is a suitable QB unit for this season. Once Favre retires, a veteran will be brought in but not to start. Cross that hurdle when it comes though.
Not like Aaron is stepping in games when he gets a chance and is playing like Matt Hasselbeck did when he was in Green Bay. When Matt was here people knew that if Favre went down they had a guy that was fully capable of getting the job done. With Aaron there isn't that security and he has not given Packers fan a reason to believe he can do it either.
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http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2007/06/15/1/

I didn't realize Woodson was doing this well since coming to GB... career highs in multiple categories. Makes me feel even better about acquiring him (especially after seeing what Clements got in a contract this year, I'd go as far to say he was a bargain).
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Not like Aaron is stepping in games when he gets a chance and is playing like Matt Hasselbeck did when he was in Green Bay. When Matt was here people knew that if Favre went down they had a guy that was fully capable of getting the job done. With Aaron there isn't that security and he has not given Packers fan a reason to believe he can do it either.
Rodgers has thrown 31 passes his entire NFL career, all in junk time. Any judgement you're making now is beyond premature.
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Rodgers has thrown 31 passes his entire NFL career, all in junk time. Any judgement you're making now is beyond premature.
Without question its premature to pass any judgement on Rodgers good or bad, however packer fans should brace themselves for a quarterback search once Favre retires reguardless. Based on percentages its very hard to find a starting calliber quarterback at first attempt in the nfl. Ron Wolf had a rare and uncanny talent for finding QBs and the packers have been blessed by that talent during his days as gm. I kinda have the feeling Rodgers wont be the answer but it certainly isnt based on much (just that hasselbeak looked extremely good in preseason games and I havent seen that from Rodgers yet), but im glad we have him. He has had a great chance to sit back and learn the last few years which is more than many great prospects have had. That is going to give him an edge to succeed.

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Rodgers has thrown 31 passes his entire NFL career, all in junk time. Any judgement you're making now is beyond premature.
Preseason matters as well and he hasn't shown much that would suggest that he has the capabilities that exceed an average QB in the NFL.
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Preseason matters as well and he hasn't shown much that would suggest that he has the capabilities that exceed an average QB in the NFL.
Like I said, it's way too early. He's played 2 NFL seasons as a backup. Wait until he comes into the season as a starter before you pass judgement on him. Look how many quarterbacks took a few years of starting to develop.
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where were you last season? the guy lit it up in preseason.
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Lit it up????? Ok???? He had some decent games in the preseason but the stats can be misleading becuase Greg Jennings made big plays in the preseason and padded those stats. His most impressive game was against a Chargers' team that secondary absolutely sucked going into the preseason and he managed to throw a pick so settle down before you say he lit it up.

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Yeah no kidding. I'd like to know his reasoning of putting the Vikings higher than the Packers. NO pass defense or Pass rush. Oh, wow they can stop the Run, ooooo. like they said, why drive when you can fly?
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I didn't realize Woodson was doing this well since coming to GB... career highs in multiple categories. Makes me feel even better about acquiring him (especially after seeing what Clements got in a contract this year, I'd go as far to say he was a bargain).
i didnt realize he led the NFC in picks
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Wow, ESPN insider just rated Driver as the most overrated WR in the NFL... I can't even explain how stupid that is......

Also, guess who got a honorable mention for overrated WR? Greg Jennings. The guy was a freaking rookie. What more do they expect.
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Wow, ESPN insider just rated Driver as the most overrated WR in the NFL... I can't even explain how stupid that is......

Also, guess who got a honorable mention for overrated WR? Greg Jennings. The guy was a freaking rookie. What more do they expect.
That's kind of random. I think that Driver is actually underrated by most. He's the epitome of consistent and has been the only thing holding that receiving core together for years now.
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