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Old 11-01-2007, 01:03 AM    (permalink
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Just a thought here, what if we pick up Adibi in the 2nd or 3rd round he plays SAM LB and could give Poppinga a run for his money as a stud LB to give us one of the best LB cores if not the best in the NFL... Again just a thought... Plus for some reason im just not a Poppinga fan. I really like the Idea of Justin King first round and a HB 2-3
It's tough to invest a lot in a linebacker that will likely only be on the field for about half the plays. I think it's a better idea to invest in a nickel cornerback since they'll likely eventually replace either Harris or Woodson as a starter. The Packers need to infuse their secondary with some young, top-end talent.
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It's tough to invest a lot in a linebacker that will likely only be on the field for about half the plays. I think it's a better idea to invest in a nickel cornerback since they'll likely eventually replace either Harris or Woodson as a starter. The Packers need to infuse their secondary with some young, top-end talent.
I couldn't agree more. I think that I would go after a a CB or TE in round one because Harris and Woodson are getting older and the idea of Bush as a starter makes me vomit. Wouldn't mind TT drafting all CB's in the first day, sort of like Denver did a couple years ago.

there are really no other pressing needs on this team then CB depth and maybe an up and coming TE. WR/RB/D and O line/linebacker are set. If i was gonna nitpick i would look at punters, John Ryan is solid but i think we could upgrade.
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As Brett Favre's breathtaking deep ball soared through the thin Colorado air Monday night, football fans everywhere but the Rockies were sky-high with the expectation that the 38-year-old quarterback was producing yet another unforgettable thrill.
But shortly after Packers wideout Greg Jennings raced into the end zone to complete the 82-yard hookup on the first play of overtime, it was time to get grounded and consider the ramifications of Green Bay's 19-13 victory over the Broncos.
First, how impressive is the Packers' defense? Led by linebacker Nick Barnett and cornerback Charles Woodson, Green Bay limited a Broncos team that had put up 31 on the Steelers the previous week to a touchdown and a pair of field goals, surviving a late drive on which Denver was four yards from victory. The defenses of the Cowboys and Giants get more attention, but among the NFC's top contenders, the Pack's might actually be the best of the three.
Secondly, while Favre's two scoring bombs led the highlight packages, did anyone happen to notice that a first-year player named Ryan Grant ran 22 times for 104 yards? If the Packers suddenly have a running game to go with their majestically revived quarterback, this could be a very good offense when the weather turns and the games get big.
I dont think our D is better than Dallas. But maybe equal nor do i think Grant is the permanant solution, but i could see him and our line getting a confidence boost.
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I couldn't agree more. I think that I would go after a a CB or TE in round one because Harris and Woodson are getting older and the idea of Bush as a starter makes me vomit. Wouldn't mind TT drafting all CB's in the first day, sort of like Denver did a couple years ago.

there are really no other pressing needs on this team then CB depth and maybe an up and coming TE. WR/RB/D and O line/linebacker are set. If i was gonna nitpick i would look at punters, John Ryan is solid but i think we could upgrade.
You did not just say that. RB is far and away our biggest need. Here's how I'd rank them:

1.RB
2.CB
3.S
4.TE
5.LB

Jon Ryan is seventh in net average, he certainly doesn't need to be replaced.
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I dont think RB is that big
1-CB
2-TE
3-RB
4-LB
5-S
6-DE (Not sure how old KGB is but it seems like he's been here since 2000 so he is a bit up there and a young pass rushing specialist would be nice)
7-OG

we've got tons of youth at RB and alot of age at CB
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You did not just say that. RB is far and away our biggest need. Here's how I'd rank them:

1.RB
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3.S
4.TE
5.LB

Jon Ryan is seventh in net average, he certainly doesn't need to be replaced.
Um, the Packers don't know what they have at RB position. Until they do, i wouldn't spend another pick on a RB when the secondary is getting old.
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I dont think RB is that big
1-CB
2-TE
3-RB
4-LB
5-S
6-DE (Not sure how old KGB is but it seems like he's been here since 2000 so he is a bit up there and a young pass rushing specialist would be nice)
7-OG

we've got tons of youth at RB and alot of age at CB
RB is way more of a need that TE. Lee ranks 10th in yards and 6th in average among TEs. Bubba has bounced back at least somewhat and is actually a threat in the redzone again. Add to the fact that our passing game is just fine. It's a need but no way bigger than RB.

CB would be for the nickleback for the near future. Harris should be able to stick around for two more years and Woodson at least 3. We should be able to find a guy to devolp and be ready by that time. We could always make a run at a FA too. In any matter a starting RB is way more important than a third corner.

How can you not "think RB is that big"? Like you said we do have youth, but young doesn't equal good. Ryan Grant is the best we have. I like him, but I don't think he's the long term answer. Deshawn Wynn was ok, but he can't carry the load. 20 carries a game is too much for him and we need someone who can take even more than that. 15 might even be too much for him, and he cant stay on the field due to injuries. As for our two top RBs coming into the season, they were behind a 7th round pick and an undrafted first year player that joined the team after the season started on the depth chart. Morency is a change of pace back. Always has been, always will be. He can succeed in that role, but we need good starter before he's of any use. Brandan Jackson is well, crap. He hasn't shown me anything in the time he's been in. His potential seems low to me aswell, he's looking like a bust.
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Well if we do get a RB i'd much rather it be through FA, rather than just develop a guy a year.
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Well if we do get a RB i'd much rather it be through FA, rather than just develop a guy a year.
Thing is Turner's the only one out there. I'm still not sure how I feel about him. I'd take him, but I'd rather have Felix Jones or Jonathan Stewart. Plus since he is it at RB he will cost much more than he's worth and there's very little chance Thompson will go after him.
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Right now, we don't have a running back who has proven anything. I like the way Grant runs. If he can continue to play well for the rest of the season, I think we've found our answer, but I'm skeptical as to whether he'll be able to continue to run that well. As GB12 said, Morencey isn't much more than a change-of-pace back. Jackson has been a major disappointment so far. If he still hasn't shown anything by the end of the season, I may be ready to label him a bust already. I really hope that's not the case though. If no one steps it up and shows that they can be the guy, I can see us taking a running back in the first (Steve Slaton possibly).

I'm starting to see tight end as less of a need now. Lee is playing well and Franks is doing alright. I don't see us spending a high draft pick here.

If we go running back in the first over corner back, I think we definitely take a corner in round 2.
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Sorry bout the TE thing, i thought Lee was 30+, he's only 27
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Kampman named NFC defensive player of the month

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His best performance had to be the Redskins game. The penetration he got was sensational and he got under their pads and dominated
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yeah, this week he went against crappy dudes, the skinz game probably had him againt samuels most of the time
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Question: when Harris and Woodsen retire, do we try to replace them with CBs who can man up and play physical as well as they do, or change our scheme? CBs like that are hard to come by, especially in the draft.
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Question: when Harris and Woodsen retire, do we try to replace them with CBs who can man up and play physical as well as they do, or change our scheme? CBs like that are hard to come by, especially in the draft.
This is why CB is our biggest need. We need top-tier CBs to come in and develop this style of play.
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This is why CB is our biggest need. We need top-tier CBs to come in and develop this style of play.
Agree; it needs to be addressed NOW! Who the hell cares if our first rounder would be a nickel for 3 years; we need to start bringing in replacements sooner rather than later. Right now if one of them went down for an extended period of time we would be screwed big time b/c we do not have another CB on this team that is capable of starting. I know we need a RB but that can be addressed in round 2 or 3.
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yeah, this week he went against crappy dudes, the skinz game probably had him againt samuels most of the time
Samuels is the Left Tackle for Washington. Jon Jansen their Right Tackle was injured and he's pretty good. Right Tackle is one of the weakest positions team to team in the NFL and starters change quite often. With that said Kampman is probably the best Left Defensive End in football right now and plays against these same guys better than everybody else.
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After last year's draft success, this years is starting to look like we struck out on the first 2 choices.

-Harrell is injured but we dont need him anyway. I'd like to know why did we draft this guy? Even if he turns out to be good, we should have used this pick on a corner or a TE. When you think that Olsen and Aaron Ross were available...yeah it hurts.

-Brandon Jackson was a need and we had to draft a RB but i'd like to know what the scouts saw in him to draft him in the second round? In all the games ive seen, i wouldnt be able to tell anybody what type of back he is. Is he a speedster? Slasher? Elusive? He hasnt shown anything in games where he had many carries. He is still very young but i fail to see any kind of upside in him. I'd like to know what type of back was he when he was in college...If somebody knows, please tell me, id appreciate a lot.
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As far as the RB position goes for you guys...I saw that Turner was mentioned as the only FA....Julius Jones is going to be a FA soon...and his first year he ran for something like 900 yards in 6 games...and then last year he went for over 1100 while splitting time with MB3. While I wouldn't consider him an elite back...he is at his best with a blocker in front of him...something that Dallas doesn't do as much as they used to in the golden days.

Although Julius is one of the worst backs after contact in the NFL he is dangerous in the open field and would give you guys a nice productive veteran with some tread left on the tires. Not to mention he is one of the best pass blocking RB's in the game and has above average hands out of the backfield. I really think GB will look hard at him if he isn't resigned this offseason.
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There are a lot of good free agent RBs available.

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Turner or Musa Smith are the only ones that appeal to me from that list
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1. Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon - 5'11 230*
2. Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M- 6'7 255*
3. Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana- 5'11 190
4a. Bobbie Williams, S, Bethune-Cookman- 6'1 210
4b. Frank Morton, DT, Tulane- 6'2 331 -
5. Fernando Velasco, OG/OC, Georgia- 6'4 318
7. Jehuu Caulcrick, FB, Michigan State- 6'0 260

What do u guys think of this mock and could we land these players.
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There are a lot of good free agent RBs available.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/...eagentsRB.html
Free agent running back = lot of $$$$$
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1. Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon - 5'11 230*
2. Martellus Bennett, TE, Texas A&M- 6'7 255*
3. Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana- 5'11 190
4a. Bobbie Williams, S, Bethune-Cookman- 6'1 210
4b. Frank Morton, DT, Tulane- 6'2 331 -
5. Fernando Velasco, OG/OC, Georgia- 6'4 318
7. Jehuu Caulcrick, FB, Michigan State- 6'0 260

What do u guys think of this mock and could we land these players.
No WAY we land Jon Stewart. He's a top 10 pick.
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