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Old 02-13-2008, 09:58 AM    (permalink
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just wondering, anyone think any guys in the draft r worth trading up for?
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just wondering, anyone think any guys in the draft r worth trading up for?

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That's the stupidest thing I've read on here in months, and I've seen many stupid posts. We are stacked at DT, no need to draft one at all. Taking one on the first day would be dumb, taking one in the first would get Thompson fired, trading up to take a DT would get him decapitated by me personally. To get Glenn Dorsey we would have to give up our entire 2008 draft and our 2009 and 2010 first rounders, for an unproven rookie who could be a complete bust. That's ******* crazy. I wouldn't give that much up for an established NFL star and you want to do it for a freakin rookie.

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Again a dumb idea. Not close to as bad as trading up for Dorsey, but still very dumb. Let's say conservatively we'd have to go to 16 to get him. That'd be our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, for again a position that's not even a need.

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I wouldn't want us to take him if he's available at 30. If you want to take a tackle in the first I guess that's understandable(though I completely disagree with it) but if you want to trade up for one you don't know what you're talking about.
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Agree with GB, definately don't need a DT and Dorsey is overrated and set for a draft day fall anyway. Gholston will be a good player but he's more of a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE, maybe if we put him at LB but we would be paying a huge price for a guy that doesn't fit. Don't know much about Clady but again we aren't going to trade up to draft a backup.
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just wondering, anyone think any guys in the draft r worth trading up for?
Trade up? Are you out you damn mind? This is Ted Thompson, he can find a gem in any round. If anything, trade back, and let the man do what he do.
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Trade up? Are you out you damn mind? This is Ted Thompson, he can find a gem in any round. If anything, trade back, and let the man do what he do.
Well, I'm not so sure about that anymore. Yes, let the man do what he do but I really think the thing he does is do whatever is necessary depending on the condition of his team. In the past three years we've had a desperate need for depth all around so he traded down and got more picks, a very wise things to do. Now that those picks have developed and we have less needs I do think it is possible that we do trade up at one time or another to grab a prospect of our choice. It won't be like trading way up into the first round but I could easily see it later on. Not like more picks is a bad thing but there is a time when a team doesn't need a dozen picks every year, and this may be that time for us.
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you have justin harrell who we dont know will pan out
you have corey williams who we dont know will be back
we have Ryan Pickett who has 2 years left and takes breaks
we Johnny Jolly who we dont know how he will be from his injury and has 1yr left
and colin cole who is a free agent we dont know if he will be back
so this time next year it could be Harrell, and Pickett in his last year

so yeah glenn doresy wold be smart move to metion he can play inside or outside he can start right away next to Pickett
giving breaks to Pickett & Kampman would hurt also and he can move around

how deep are we really Johnny Jolly & Justin Harell & Ryan Pickett is who we have under contract 3 DT doesnt count as depth

also if we did trade for any of the players its cause they drop its not like saying go out there and get them but if they drop far to please us and we had a good free agency then why not

Vernon Gholston move up for yes because we could have one of the best pass rush's in the league which we NEED if we take him we can move Jenkins back to DT and him and Pickett can do there things, also we can take care of Corner & Tight End & Offensiveline during free agency defensive line would cost to much and the talent level is high after the 7yr contact players

not taking Ryan Clady at 30 would be the dumbest move ever, we talking about a player of can play inside or outside
a player whos very quick and strong great feet work can play any system
people even have him better then jake long as do i, he just doesnt have the amount of games played as you like so thers not amount of tape you need he destoryed every end in the NCAA also not to worry he wont make it past 14 so we would have to trade for the best offensive lineman
to have would give us one of the best O-lines in the league right away
also are people for getting how bad our guards were vs the giants thats why i say move up for offensive line Clady could play guard he maybe better suited there to be come amazing Left Guard would be perfect for him and start him right away hes better then anything else we got

so i stand by my trades even thou you shoot them down

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I have been saying all along that the packers should trade up to get calias campbell, because he wont go nearly as high as gholston and he has got great size, better than gholston. I completely agree with you on trading up for a DE, I dont agree with the Glenn Dorsey one, because he is a top ten pick, so we would have to give everything we got to pick up only one player, and with the Clady one, it could happen. Although if he did drop to 30, we had better take him, because he is elite in his pass protection, much like chad clifton is.I would be all for trading up for someone who will have an immediate impact, and that would not cost a ton. I dont feel that Clady will make an immediate impact, so I dont want the packers to trade up for him. I think the packers will make a move this off season on someone, either through free agency or the draft, we are so close to having an elite team, and maybe adding one or two studs would do it.
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Well, I'm not so sure about that anymore. Yes, let the man do what he do but I really think the thing he does is do whatever is necessary depending on the condition of his team. In the past three years we've had a desperate need for depth all around so he traded down and got more picks, a very wise things to do. Now that those picks have developed and we have less needs I do think it is possible that we do trade up at one time or another to grab a prospect of our choice. It won't be like trading way up into the first round but I could easily see it later on. Not like more picks is a bad thing but there is a time when a team doesn't need a dozen picks every year, and this may be that time for us.
That is what Packer fans have been saying for three offseaons.Not going to happen

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And legend, Jolly is more of a sure thing than Harrell will ever be, the man is a freak.
i didnt say he was not but his injury is the question does he come back 100%
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Trade up? Are you out you damn mind? This is Ted Thompson, he can find a gem in any round. If anything, trade back, and let the man do what he do.
im just wondering
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You're DT argument pretty much works for any position on the team. Ex. Favre is gonna retire soon and Rodgers contract is almost up so is it imperative that we draft a QB? Hell no we spent years on Rodgers. Why would we draft another DT and wait for him to develop when we can just resign people who have been with the team and use our draft pick somewhere else?
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I think it will, you just can't say that he'll never trade up. Honestly, do we really need to trade down much this year? Its not like we have a huge amount of needs, we have some areas that need to be addressed but other than that its not too much. And just because we did it one way the past three years doesn't mean anything. This is a different situation and we are a more complete team. Maybe I'm wrong but I just think its stupid to think that there is no chance we'll trade up just because of what we've done in the past.
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I think it will, you just can't say that he'll never trade up. Honestly, do we really need to trade down much this year? Its not like we have a huge amount of needs, we have some areas that need to be addressed but other than that its not too much. And just because we did it one way the past three years doesn't mean anything. This is a different situation and we are a more complete team. Maybe I'm wrong but I just think its stupid to think that there is no chance we'll trade up just because of what we've done in the past.
Yeah we are no longer in a building mode like the past 3 drafts have been for TT; we are in a state where we are just a few pieces from getting to where we want to be and trading up and bringing in an impact player in the draft would be of those few pieces we're looking for.
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It dosen't matte if the packers are in rebuilding mode or not. TT covets draft picks and he dosen't trade up. Sure, there is always a possibility if the situation is right, but don't count on it.

Ted Thompson will " reach" with the packers first draft pick on an offensive lineman. Just watch.
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you have justin harrell who we dont know will pan out
Do you not realize how dumb this makes you look? We don't know how last years first round DT will turn out so we should draft another first round DT this year? Riiight. In that case we should not draft Glenn Dorsey because we don't know how he will "pan out".
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The reason Corey Williams might not be back is because we're so stacked at DT that it's not necessary to keep him. If we resign Williams then there is absolutely 0% chance we draft Dorsey opposed to the .0001% chance if we don't. If we don't resign him than we decided that we are happy with the guys under contract. Honestly here, you just proved my point.
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Ryan Pickett is only 28. DT is not like running back where players lose it once they hit thirty. Also Ryan Pickett never takes plays off. I don't know what the hell you're watching, but that's far from the truth. He does his job very well.
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Johnny Jolly will be fine. The injury he suffered was minor as far as season ending injuries go. They even initially thought he could have come back and played at the end of the season. Had it happened in October instead of November he would have been back. I'm not concerned in the least about this. And take a look at his injury history. He had a much more serious ankle injury last year and he came back from it and took the starting job.

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If we want Colin Cole back he will be back. Why would you even bring him up? He's a restricted free agent so we own his rights unless we choose not to have him Even if he was unrestricted we'd be able to sign him easily.

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No, drafting Glenn Dorsey would be idiotic. He wouldn't start right away either, Jolly would.



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TT is all about best available and I don't believe he will "reach". I also believe if he trades up it will only be a few spots and only for the right guy. We have to remember that his valuations of players don't always follow convential wisdom. I think that is a good thing personally. I beleive we will most certainly be surprised by a few of his picks but all in all we will end up with a solid class of draftees. Remeber his ML analogy. You don't want to miss out on the next MJ just because it isn't a team need.
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All I know is we need to give Justin Harrell a chance. I would love to see DE with the first pick, but you have to go back to Ted Thompson's days in Seattle, in which he drafted marcus trufant, now a stud. He hasnt drafted a corner in the first round yet, so I have a feeling that is the way he is going to go. I really wouldnt mind if the packers traded up for Leodis McKelvin, which they would have to give up a lot for, but the kid is going to be a stud, he is just so fast. But I wouldnt mind it either if the Packers just stayed put, and got a guy like DRC, who is a little unproven against top quality, but he has got so much potential. I just see a big name coming, one who's name isnt Mike Wahle, who just got signed by Seattle.
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There is no point you could possibly make to say Dorsey makes sense.
What if he Miraculously fell to Number 30? Point Just made. Game Set and Match!


Seriously though man, Ease up a bit no need to be throwing the insults out if you disagree.
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Alright my take is none of those guys are worth trading up except MAYBE Clady, knowing how we'd have to give up to get one of those other guys!! geez Dorsey will cost us alot of picks this and next draft. No need. If we trade up it should still stay in the 20's to get Talib or another CB that proves himself a good fit.

Now I said that how about the Pack signing Crumpler, you guys opposed to it? Or would except it with open arms? He was just cut today by the Falcons, we have the money and even though he was banged up last year, he is still a treat in the passing game. I like Lee but im also a big Alge fan, and then we can dump Bubba.
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Crumpler from the Falcons would be someone I'd take a look at.
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sure!
Just imagine if we lined up with Driver, Jennings, Jones and Crumpler!
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