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Old 02-21-2008, 03:22 PM    (permalink
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I've read some reports that the Packers are interesting in signing Branden Ayanbadejo. He wants to be the highest paid special teams player (which would be about 2 million per), and have a chance to compete at linebacker (competition for Poppinga perhaps).

Wouldn't be a bad signing for the Packers at all, though he is on the wrong side of 30.
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If stats don't lie for Bigby, then toss in that he lead the team in missed tackles at 15, the same amount that Marquand Manuel missed last year. Also from jsonline: Bigby had 8 penalties. Bigby's total was extreme for a safety. From 1991-'06, no Packers safety ever had more than four. Manuel had one last year. The most touchdown passes were allowed by Bigby with five, a notch less than Marquand Manuel's 5 1/2 last year. That is twice as many penalties as any safety the Packers have had over the last 15 years and he's a half TD upgrade as far as scoring defense.

Great for Bigby that he had the caused turnovers. At least he had more turnovers caused than TDs given up. Also great he lead the team in PDs, but he also had the most penalties (which means 8 first automatic first downs given up) and most missed tackles. That's 28 negative plays of penalties, missed tackles and TDs given up, as compared to 22 positive plays of picks, fumbles and passes defensed.

He's a nice story being a UDFA, but I would much rather see Rouse in with Collins, unless Kenny Phillips falls, which isn't going to happen.

I see where your coming from but like i said he is young and still has a lot of room to improve. Bigby's upside is termedous and it seems that Collins isn't going to be a major playmaker but he is solid. I was also interested where you found those stats because i would like to see them so if you could tell me where you got them that would be cool. Also about those 8 penalties if I'm not mistakin he had 4 in one game(which they won). Lets not forget that collins roughing the passer penalty(that led to a giants TD) probably cost the Packers a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Great players play well in the big games and Bigby was possably our best defender during the playoffs(when it really counts)!
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Sorry to see Bubba go but I agree that it had to be done. Tagging Williams was also awsome we will definatly have one of the deepest DT roations in the NFL.
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I've read some reports that the Packers are interesting in signing Branden Ayanbadejo. He wants to be the highest paid special teams player (which would be about 2 million per), and have a chance to compete at linebacker (competition for Poppinga perhaps).

Wouldn't be a bad signing for the Packers at all, though he is on the wrong side of 30.
uh, Link?

Also, apparently the Packers are interested in Crumpler... Along with many other teams.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...pler_0222.html
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uh, Link?

Also, apparently the Packers are interested in Crumpler... Along with many other teams.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...pler_0222.html
There's one.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....,6691725.story
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I've read some reports that the Packers are interesting in signing Branden Ayanbadejo. He wants to be the highest paid special teams player (which would be about 2 million per), and have a chance to compete at linebacker (competition for Poppinga perhaps).

Wouldn't be a bad signing for the Packers at all, though he is on the wrong side of 30.
No way he'd start for us. Poppinga isn't great, but he's not complete **** and certainly wouldn't get beaten out by a special teamer. If we signed him it would be just for special teams as a backup. I don't buy it happening though. We have good special teamers already including our two current backup linebackers. I feel no need to give him $2 million and a roster space.
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I see where your coming from but like i said he is young and still has a lot of room to improve. Bigby's upside is termedous and it seems that Collins isn't going to be a major playmaker but he is solid. I was also interested where you found those stats because i would like to see them so if you could tell me where you got them that would be cool. Also about those 8 penalties if I'm not mistakin he had 4 in one game(which they won). Lets not forget that collins roughing the passer penalty(that led to a giants TD) probably cost the Packers a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Great players play well in the big games and Bigby was possably our best defender during the playoffs(when it really counts)!
I still dont think they shouldve called that roughing the passer on collins, he had to much forward momentum to stop running
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Branden Ayanbadejo & Tracy White (if we keep him) would be a nice dou but i dont know if it will happen

if not Ayanbadejo would be a nice replacement for him

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There is talk that the Seahawks might cut Shaun Alexander soon. Now I know we dont really need him with the emergence of Grant and he is 30 or 31 but there is a connection between him and TT. Would you want him if the price was right? Does he fit in our scheme.

Also there is talking that the Broncos are trying to trade Javon Walker to the Bucs because he is owed a 4 or 5 million dollar option soon but they also say he will probably just be cut. I dont know but right now that Walker trade is looking good his knee has been all messed up.
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Alexander has been overrated for years and now he's just plain bad now that he's older and his line isn't dominant anymore. Honestly I don't think he's much better than Wynn and he'd sure cost a lot more.
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Branden Ayanbadejo & Tracy White (if we keep him) would be a nice dou but i dont know if it will happen

if not Ayanbadejo would be a nice replacement for him
Meh, dosen't that article say hes looking for two Million? That's a bit expensive for someone who would likely play ST.
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Ayanbendejo celebrates after every damn special teams tackle he makes. I don't think he'd play here though, I've heard him say he's not too found of the midwest I'd assumed he would wanna closer to home. Plus I think Poppinga is actually regarded higher around the league than most of us think.
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Ayanbendejo celebrates after every damn special teams tackle he makes. I don't think he'd play here though, I've heard him say he's not too found of the midwest I'd assumed he would wanna closer to home. Plus I think Poppinga is actually regarded higher around the league than most of us think.
I don't have a problem with Poppinga. When looking for the weak points in the team he comes up rather soon though. With going 13-3 there usually isn't a whole lot wrong with your team. Besides the safeties there's nothing else to complain about with the defensive starters. On offense there's just the guards. So he's our 5th worst starter which doesn't take long to get to when talking weaknesses. If we had a disfunctional DLine or problems with the passing game you wouldn't here a whole lot about him. While he certainly can be upgraded, when you look around the league at team's 3rd LB we're better off than many teams. If we get a Keith Rivers or Dan Connor great, if not I'm ok with having Poppinga start again next year.
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Poppinga played lights out vs. the Giants. His one problem is covering a speedy TE, a type of player which many teams have or want to have.





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By my count, there are 17 players that are used frequently in our defensive system (4 CBs, 2 safeties, 3 LBs, 4 DTs, and 4 DEs). We could really bring our defense to the next level if we can make improvements.

From that number, 10 are unlikely to be improved upon: DT1 (Pickett), DT2 (Jolly), DT3 (Williams), DT4 (Harrell), LDE (Kampman), RDE (Jenkins), CB1 (Harris), CB2 (Woodson), WLB (Hawk), and MLB (Barnett).

The DT rotation is set in stone, both starting DEs are very reliable, two of the three LBs are well above average, and both CBs are good for at least another year.


4 could possibly be improved upon: S1 and S2 (Bigby/Rouse/Collins), DE3 (KGB), and SLB (Poppinga).

Popp does some things very well (play the run) and others poorly (play the pass). KGB is a one-dimensional (pass-rushing), one-trick pony (speed rush) that can always be exploited. Our safeties have potential, but are unproven.


3 definitely can be improved upon: CB3 and CB4 (Blackmon/Williams/Bush), and DE4 (Montgomery).

Blackmon and Bush have shone flashes, sandwiched by long periods of darkness. Williams could actually be the best of the three, he did some really good things towards the end of the season. Montgomery has a good body type, but probably doesn't have the intangibles to be a key contributor.


With all this in mind, I think our defense is a couple pieces away from being one of the league's elite. A reliable third corner is the most pressing need, and could be available to us at 30. I think Rodgers-Cromartie could fill that void and be an impact player in his rookie year.


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What about cornerbacks, id say theres lots of problems there Al and Charles are getting old with no proven depth behind them. Also could complain about our 2nd TE.

Id take a CB over someone to replace Poppinga anyday.
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I just realized GB12 just did pretty much the same thing in the draft thread. We pretty much reached the same conclusions.
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What about cornerbacks, id say theres lots of problems there Al and Charles are getting old with no proven depth behind them. Also could complain about our 2nd TE.

Id take a CB over someone to replace Poppinga anyday.
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By my count, there are 17 players that are used frequently in our defensive system (4 CBs, 2 safeties, 3 LBs, 4 DTs, and 4 DEs). We could really bring our defense to the next level if we can make improvements.

4 could possibly be improved upon: S1 and S2 (Bigby/Rouse/Collins), DE3 (KGB), and SLB (Poppinga).


3 definitely can be improved upon: CB3 and CB4 (Blackmon/Williams/Bush), and DE4 (Montgomery).
I'd put that as 16 frequently used players. We almost never go in dime packages so it's really 3 CBs. Also I disgagree with KGB listed as "possibly improved". He's being used soley as a pass rusher now as he should be and he's one of the best at doing that. He is a much better pass rush specialist than anyone we could get in the draft or free agency.

Otherwise good job.
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There were times when KGB was used on run-downs and was obliterated. I think he should be our fourth DE, and put in only when the play is beyond a shadow of a doubt a passing down. Jenkins and Kampman are much better players when given proper rest. KGB doesn't give them the rest they need (on running downs). This problem could be nicely solved by using Williams as Cullen Jenkins-lite. He could provide relief to Jenkins and Kampman (more likely Kampman) on running downs, and KGB can come in for Jenkins on passing downs. This problem can be solved internally, but it is not guaranteed.

As for the CB situation, there were many times when we utilized the dime package. I can't really prove this, but I do remember seeing Harris, Bush, Williams, and Walker on the field at the same time (when Woodson and Blackmon were out). And third and fourth CBs often rotate depending on the team's WR core. I stand by that 17 number.
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There were times when KGB was used on run-downs and was obliterated. I think he should be our fourth DE, and put in only when the play is beyond a shadow of a doubt a passing down. Jenkins and Kampman are much better players when given proper rest. KGB doesn't give them the rest they need (on running downs). This problem could be nicely solved by using Williams as Cullen Jenkins-lite. He could provide relief to Jenkins and Kampman (more likely Kampman) on running downs, and KGB can come in for Jenkins on passing downs. This problem can be solved internally, but it is not guaranteed.

As for the CB situation, there were many times when we utilized the dime package. I can't really prove this, but I do remember seeing Harris, Bush, Williams, and Walker on the field at the same time (when Woodson and Blackmon were out). And third and fourth CBs often rotate depending on the team's WR core. I stand by that 17 number.
Yeah, I think we could use a guy to come in against the run, but that's not really replacing KGB it's replacing Montgomery. I believe we've discussed this before and agreed on the whole situation.

I remember seeing dime in the final game against the Lions quite a bit, but I think that was to test out the corners we have as much as we could and that the Lions don't run. There was another game that we utilized it, but I don't remember which. It's not something that we rarely use in our normal defense, and less than most teams in the NFL do. We're not really arguing anything other than how much we use the 4th corner though as I agree that taking 2 CBs would make sense.
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I see where your coming from but like i said he is young and still has a lot of room to improve. Bigby's upside is termedous and it seems that Collins isn't going to be a major playmaker but he is solid. I was also interested where you found those stats because i would like to see them so if you could tell me where you got them that would be cool. Also about those 8 penalties if I'm not mistakin he had 4 in one game(which they won). Lets not forget that collins roughing the passer penalty(that led to a giants TD) probably cost the Packers a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Great players play well in the big games and Bigby was possably our best defender during the playoffs(when it really counts)!
As mentioned, jsonline is the source, they run this article at the end of every season:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=711096

It reports who missed the most tackles, dropped the most passes, gave up the sacks, had the bad runs and penalties and also some stuff on pass pro, sacks and pressures.

I'm still a huge fan of Rouse, more so than Collins. If Bigby gets it done in camp, great. But he still had a lot of negative plays and I think that a Rouse/Collins safety duo would be the best for this scheme. A Rouse/Bigby duo would have a lot of play-making potential based on last year, but Bigby needs to clean up his play and be consistent.
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Anyone else worried that Favre wont comeback?
I'm not really worried, but he's sure taking a while. I thought he said he was going to decide quickly this year. Last year it was like the first week of February.
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INDIANAPOLIS -- Mike McCarthy suggested that Brett Favre is close to informing the Green Bay Packers of his decision whether to return in 2008 for his 17th season as their quarterback.

When the playoffs ended, Favre said he expected to make a quick decision on whether to return or retire, and McCarthy has spoken to him weekly since then. At the NFL scouting combine Friday, the Packers' coach said he last spoke with Favre last Friday and expected to call him again this weekend. When asked whether he expected to have an answer from Favre by now and said, “Hopefully we’re close.”

McCarthy said there was no reason to give Favre a deadline for an answer because the quarterback is sensitive to the team’s need to have a timely answer.

“He was more concerned about a deadline because he felt like he was holding the organization up,” McCarthy said. “My whole thing with Brett is, make a decision you can commit 100 percent to. That’s what you have to do. To him the season’s still fresh, he’s worn out from the season. He’s talked about it. He’ll do the right thing.”
We'll know soon enough from the sounds of it. He'll be back.
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I think he will, remember during the playoffs there was an article with his daughters saying how he should come back and play. I just want him to decided before free agency starts because im sure him retiring might change some free agents minds about coming here
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