Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 336

neko4 · 04-16-2008, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pack_Attack_4

I think Als one of those guys thats gonna be pritty good till the day he retires ill giv him 2 more years maybe 3.

I sure hope im wrong and your right

ChezPower4 · 04-16-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by neko4

I think the defense finally reaches its potential this year. Harrell should do solid this year (I hope), Hawk and Barnett will be great as usual, hopefully either Chillar or Poppinga will play above average, and one of those 3 safeties should breakout. Right now I would only be worried about the CB's

This is probably Al Harris' last good year

I also think that this years d is gonna be real good and could be one of the NFL's best

umphrey · 04-16-2008, 10:21 PM

I disagree, I think I saw some age last year (Harris).

RockJock07 · 04-17-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

I disagree, I think I saw some age last year (Harris).

Yeah, he looked old and really bad in the NFC Champ game vs. Plax, however the fact that the pack didn't blitz at all and gave Eli all day to throw didn't help him either. I would say that whoever the pack brings in through the draft should be ready to play extensively after this season.

Jim Jim · 04-17-2008, 01:19 PM

Harris was solid throughout the year, but the last game was awful. I'm not sure if it was Father Time or just that Plaxico was the better man constantly that night. I don't think it's fair to completely say Harris is washed up after just one bad game.

umphrey · 04-17-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Jim

Harris was solid throughout the year, but the last game was awful. I'm not sure if it was Father Time or just that Plaxico was the better man constantly that night. I don't think it's fair to completely say Harris is washed up after just one bad game.

It was some of both. We need a solution besides leaving him on an island against receivers who are 6'5" with 4.4 speed.

GB12 · 04-17-2008, 03:09 PM

#4 will be retired during the opener. I was hoping that would be the decission.

princefielder28 · 04-17-2008, 03:26 PM

Colin Cole has officially signed his second round tender. He'll make 1.417 million this year.

umphrey · 04-17-2008, 04:57 PM

If Allen goes to Minnesota I'll be scared of their defense. As it is they are still exploitable by a spread offense like ours, but with the DTs they have Allen could really give them a pass rush.

I was hoping we would sign him as a UFA this year or next, but seeing the numbers that are being tossed around for him is completely out of the question...I've seen 2 firsts or a 1st 2nd and 3rd, and 8 years 71 mil for the contract come up as rumored offers.

roidrunner · 04-17-2008, 04:59 PM

what is allen going for????

ChezPower4 · 04-17-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

If Allen goes to Minnesota I'll be scared of their defense. As it is they are still exploitable by a spread offense like ours, but with the DTs they have Allen could really give them a pass rush.

I was hoping we would sign him as a UFA this year or next, but seeing the numbers that are being tossed around for him is completely out of the question...I've seen 2 firsts or a 1st 2nd and 3rd, and 8 years 71 mil for the contract come up as rumored offers.

Is Allen really trying to get that much money? Thats crazy i hope we don't even consider bringing him in for that price.

neko4 · 04-17-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

It was some of both. We need a solution besides leaving him on an island against receivers who are 6'5" with 4.4 speed.

The first time he against Plax he played well. Its hard to stop a guy that big when your that skinny, but Al did a good enough job for us to win comfortably. Really the only WR's that played well against Al were TO and Plax and sort of Brandon Marshall

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Originally Posted by princefielder28

Colin Cole has officially signed his second round tender. He'll make 1.417 million this year.

Good for him

The Legend · 04-17-2008, 06:00 PM

8yrs 71 Million hes going to get more then that

i think he maybe asking that price to the Chiefs cause he knows how bad they need him
also usally when a team has a bad season people ask for more money
i think if he came to the packers we could get him for maybe 7yrs 63 Million
like Charles Grant Contract but DE are big money and i think with the retirement of favre
we got a lil more money to spend and i wouldnt mind going after Allen for the right picks
Tommy Kelly just got 7yrs 50 Million i think Allen is goign to want more

Dwight Freeney - 6yrs 72 Million (12) - Sacks Avg Last 2 Season = 4.5
Aaron Schobel - 7yrs 50 Million (7) - Sacks Avg Last 2 Season = 10
Charles Grant - 7yrs 63 Million (9) - Sacks Avg Last 2 Season = 4
Mario Williams - 6yrs 54 Million (9) - Sacks Avg Last 2 Season = 9.5
my guess would be somewhere around 9-10 million
7yrs 70 Million or 7yrs 63 Million

Jared Allen Sacks Avg Last 2 Season = 11.5 more then the top paid,
has and 11 sack avg in his career thats more then Freeney its more then Jason Taylor
more then any active player with atleast 4years under there belt he should get paid

neko4 · 04-17-2008, 07:43 PM

notice how kampman gets paid way less than those guys and plays way better (Except maybe Mario and Freeney when healthy)

The Legend · 04-17-2008, 09:11 PM

Kampman will get a big contract after another great year
4yrs 20 Million is a bit low, if he has 10+ sack this year i could see him getting 50+ mill

Goatboy1717 · 04-17-2008, 10:17 PM

Kampman diffidently deserves a big contract. He is someone who I wouldnt mind giving a big contract to. He wont get settled in once he gets paid big time like others do.

roidrunner · 04-17-2008, 10:40 PM

im all for giving kampman a big contract, atleast we know he will produce year in and year out.

Nitschke-Hawk · 04-17-2008, 11:32 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if he got a new deal before the season starts.

johbur · 04-19-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Legend

Kampman will get a big contract after another great year
4yrs 20 Million is a bit low, if he has 10+ sack this year i could see him getting 50+ mill

I'd like to see all our veteran players get a roster bonus. Being at 35 million and not bringing in an FA means that TT can pay the guys this year that have done well. The o-line, Lee, Kampman, Jennings, Pickett, Bigby and Grant.

I'd be happy giving up a 1st and second for Jared Allen, and then paying him $20 million up front so he wouldn't kill the cap. Jared Allen + Aaron Kampman + KGB = Utter Havoc on opposing offenses. TT won't do it, but I'd still like to see it. I'd also like to see TT bring in Lito Sheppard for a second round pick.

roidrunner · 04-19-2008, 10:59 AM

i would not be ok with dealing a first and a second for Allen. We need to build throught the draft more, and cgain more pieces. I just think it is too high of a price to pay for a DE

Meta4 · 04-19-2008, 11:29 AM

No way would I give a first and second for Allen.

GB12 · 04-19-2008, 01:01 PM

I don't think that'd be a smart move for us. I don't want the Vikings to get hiim though.

johbur · 04-19-2008, 07:43 PM

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No way would I give a first and second for Allen.

Who would you take with those picks that would positively impact the team more than Jared Allen? A nickel back and a 2nd TE or backup safety or an OG? R U serious?

I am not sure what the obsession with picks over players is. The draft means you MIGHT get the next Barry Sanders, or you MIGHT get the next Tony Mandarich.

Allen is a proven commodity, and think about him next to Pickett or Jolly or Harrell and opposite Kampman. It would be like trading Corey Williams and the first rounder to KC. We're not talking about pick#5 like Hawk's. We're talking pick #30. For an All-Pro DE. Kampman + Allen = 30 sacks next year. That's not worth a first and second this year?

GB12 · 04-19-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by johbur

Who would you take with those picks that would positively impact the team more than Jared Allen? A nickel back and a 2nd TE or backup safety or an OG? R U serious?

I am not sure what the obsession with picks over players is. The draft means you MIGHT get the next Barry Sanders, or you MIGHT get the next Tony Mandarich.

Allen is a proven commodity, and think about him next to Pickett or Jolly or Harrell and opposite Kampman. It would be like trading Corey Williams and the first rounder to KC. We're not talking about pick#5 like Hawk's. We're talking pick #30. For an All-Pro DE. Kampman + Allen = 30 sacks next year. That's not worth a first and second this year?

That'd be pretty damn awesome, and had Favre stayed I would have said go for it but I'm not sure that'd be the best move now. We do have a lot of cap space, but we'd be pretty drained soon if we got Allen. To start Allen want's $70-$80 million. We'd then have to give Kampman at least as much. DEs are very important and those are two of the best in the game but $160 million tied up to one position is a big deal.

neko4 · 04-19-2008, 09:43 PM

good thing we have a ton of free cap, but still thats a ton of money, but also a ton of sacks. Plus Minnesota might get him so if we get him and Minny doesnt than thats an added bonus