Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 493

RyanBraun8 · 07-30-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

Raji just eats up blockers and he's been practicing primarily at end - which is where he's going to play the majority of the season. Matthews missed a ton of time at the OTAs and yes, he isn't a starter, all the more reason to get into camp on time.

Raji needs to be in camp just as much if not more than Matthews. He has never played an end before or in this scheme. Defensive Lineman are the most important part of the defense. If they don't know what they are doing, or the proper technique it doesn't matter how much Matthews practices his @ss will be on the ground. LB's aren't able to make plays if the DL can't keep the offensive line off them. Can't blitz or make reads that well if the DE doesn't his job.

As for the Favre thing, I'm happy he did the right thing and retired. Not because he was going to play for the Vikings but because this season he retired for the right reason and is not able to play at the high level that he once did. Going to the Vikings isn't what would really hurt his legecy but him going there and costing them the season like he did for the Jets last year when his arm broke down. I love how fast people turn their backs on a guy after all he did for the franchise. Who gives a #### if he loves the game and had a hard time giving it up, look at Jerry Rice. I hate that he flipped-flopped so many times and we had to listen to Favre stuff clutter up ESPN everyday for the past few years but I still have great respect for the guy and am glad that I have been able to grow up watching him starting when I was 4 or 5. Not all football fans got as lucky as we all did being able to watch a top 5 QB of all-time for what 16 seasons.

I'm not a Favre lover by any means I was all for Aaron Rodgers being the starting QB. Still it just amazes me how fast people can turn on people and completely forget all that someone like Favre did for us. Those are differnetly TRUE Packer fans!!! ha

cvv84 · 07-30-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanBraun8

Raji needs to be in camp just as much if not more than Matthews. He has never played an end before or in this scheme. Defensive Lineman are the most important part of the defense. If they don't know what they are doing, or the proper technique it doesn't matter how much Matthews practices his @ss will be on the ground. LB's aren't able to make plays if the DL can't keep the offensive line off them. Can't blitz or make reads that well if the DE doesn't his job.

Its going to be a much easier transition for Raji than Matthews in my opinion. 99% of our defense is new to the 3-4 defense. Its much easier for a Dlineman in the scheme because they're only asked to occupy blockers. With Matthews you're taking him and asking him to become a pass rusher. He has by far much more responsibilites to learn with all the different blitz schemes and disguises that go along with the LBs in the 3-4.

RyanBraun8 · 07-30-2009, 03:46 PM

Also I didn't mean that true Packer thing as a knock on anyone here, more for the absolute idiots who post on JSOnline, The places you can't read more than 2 comments written by all those ignorant,extreme TT haters. Ugh so many words come to mind when trying to explain a lot of those people.

RyanBraun8 · 07-30-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

Its going to be a much easier transition for Raji than Matthews in my opinion. 99% of our defense is new to the 3-4 defense. Its much easier for a Dlineman in the scheme because they're only asked to occupy blockers. With Matthews you're taking him and asking him to become a pass rusher. He has by far much more responsibilites to learn with all the different blitz schemes and disguises that go along with the LBs in the 3-4.

I'm not worried about that because he did a lot of that at USC. He play OLB, put his hand down and pass rushed, did a lot of blitzing and wasn't bad in coverage. Thats one of the reasons why TT liked him so much because we really fit the role they want him to play. I will give you that though about the DL because Capers system is only one gap resonsibility unlike the Patriots when they have to man two gaps but overall their job is the most important to how well the defense plays.

cvv84 · 07-30-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanBraun8

I'm not worried about that because he did a lot of that at USC. He play OLB, put his hand down and pass rushed, did a lot of blitzing and wasn't bad in coverage. Thats one of the reasons why TT liked him so much because we really fit the role they want him to play. I will give you that though about the DL because Capers system is only one gap resonsibility unlike the Patriots when they have to man two gaps but overall their job is the most important to how well the defense plays.

Yes but he wasn't playing 3-4 in college. He was more hybrid but he was only a 1 year starter and needs to learn the different LB assignments.

I know the Dlineman's job is important, buts is far less technical and Raji has practiced alot more than Matthews, who was dealing with a hamstring injury for the majority of the OTAs.

TitleTown088 · 07-30-2009, 04:09 PM

Hopefully DHB's contract dosen't make Rajis contract go up.

cvv84 · 07-30-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TitleTown088

Hopefully DHB's contract dosen't make Rajis contract go up.

Makes me sick that he's making more that Greg Jennings.

RyanBraun8 · 07-30-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

Yes but he wasn't playing 3-4 in college. He was more hybrid but he was only a 1 year starter and needs to learn the different LB assignments.

I know the Dlineman's job is important, buts is far less technical and Raji has practiced alot more than Matthews, who was dealing with a hamstring injury for the majority of the OTAs.

Good thing is that we will probably run a lot of 4-3 also or at least that is what it sounds like. Make sense because they still don't have all the right players for the 3-4 scheme. It does suck that Clay had some injury problems, people say he isn't going to start but I'd have to disagree if he picks everything up fastand is looking good. He is TT's guy

princefielder28 · 07-30-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

Makes me sick that he's making more that Greg Jennings.

Why do that make you sick? I could understand if you were an Oakland fan, but the fact that Jennings is making less than DHB is a positive for us and laughable for Oakland.

cvv84 · 07-30-2009, 05:25 PM

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Why do that make you sick? I could understand if you were an Oakland fan, but the fact that Jennings is making less than DHB is a positive for us and laughable for Oakland.

Because Jennings earned the money as opposed to Heyward-Bey. Why else?

ChezPower4 · 07-30-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

Because Jennings earned the money as opposed to Heyward-Bey. Why else?

This just make Al Davis look like a total tool. I don't see any reason why people are upset, it's hilarious that Davis would shove out that kinda cash for a rookie.

cvv84 · 07-30-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChezPower4

This just make Al Davis look like a total tool. I don't see any reason why people are upset, it's hilarious that Davis would shove out that kinda cash for a rookie.

I'm not upset, its just laughable how profane the rookie contracts have gotten.

PACKmanN · 07-30-2009, 05:37 PM

because if you guys were GJ then you would be upset. Its horrible how a proven WR is making less then a track star.

RyanBraun8 · 07-30-2009, 05:38 PM

I think it's laughable, NFL should have a rookie cap and until they do I won't feel bad about rookies busting with huge contracts. Prices in sports are getting to be outragious

princefielder28 · 07-30-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

because if you guys were GJ then you would be upset. Its horrible how a proven WR is making less then a track star.

it's the system though, not like this is something new...luckily this year they have a chance to change all that.

ChezPower4 · 07-30-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

because if you guys were GJ then you would be upset. Its horrible how a proven WR is making less then a track star.

Jennings' deal was at market value so I can see where maybe he's upset but we paid the right amount for the production that he's given us as well as what we expect from him in the future.

cvv84 · 07-30-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

because if you guys were GJ then you would be upset. Its horrible how a proven WR is making less then a track star.

Exactally. I remember when Vernon Davis signed he was the top paid TE in the entire NFL. Over guys like Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates.

TitleTown088 · 07-30-2009, 08:23 PM

Jarmarko Simmons cut. :(

GB12 · 07-30-2009, 08:36 PM

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Jarmarko Simmons cut. :(

Ha. So many here were all over him. I remember some even thought he could beat out Ruvell Martin, which was ridiculous.

cvv84 · 07-30-2009, 10:16 PM

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Of all the Green Bay Packers' draft choices, there was no one who needed to be in on time more than first-round linebacker Clay Matthews.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/52124162.html

I wish there was a whistling smiley.

TitleTown088 · 07-30-2009, 10:51 PM

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Ha. So many here were all over him. I remember some even thought he could beat out Ruvell Martin, which was ridiculous.

Probbaly, but I still love him for some odd reason. Swain has a long shot to make the 53 though.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/52120152.html

Tauscher still in consideration...

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Originally Posted by cvv84

I wish there was a whistling smiley.

Haha, because JSonline is always correct? Right?

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We will bring the Lombardi Trophy back to Lombardi (Ave.), where it belongs."

Murphy with a bit of a bold prediction.

RyanBraun8 · 07-30-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

I wish there was a whistling smiley.

Lol, dang...well guess you won that arguement, I'll take my defeat like a man :( ha but i still stick to my guns and think Raji.

TitleTown088 · 07-30-2009, 11:53 PM

http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2009/07/30/1/

Front office financial hire.

GB12 · 07-31-2009, 12:05 AM

I doubt Swain makes it. Go another year on the practice squad and then we'll see.

umphrey · 07-31-2009, 12:10 AM

It is more important to get Raji in there right away IMO. He plays in the trenches - he's only going to get better smashing heads with other NFL talents. Matthews job is more cerebral, thus he can learn and improve more so than Raji with just a playbook and no-pads workouts and practicing by himself.