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Old 02-02-2010, 07:25 PM    (permalink
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I don't really care if he lived up to the contract or not, spending $12-17 million a year on one player who isn't a QB is never a smart idea. We have a bunch of free agents of our own to sign and several guys to lock up long term. We could sign 3 good guys instead of 1 great guy.
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We are going to all have to agree to disagree on this. We all want this team to win however what they do to get there I don't really care. I think Peppers would add something to this defense that would be unlike something we've scene since Reggie.

I don't want to waste this great offense we have, let's get a defense around them so that the Packers can contend for years to come. Aaron is nearly at his peak and with Finley, James Jones, and Jordy coming into their own along with Jennings, Grant, Driver, now is the time to get a defense.

We have solid parts of the defense like Matthews, Raji, and Woodson, let's add a pass rusher in his prime. Someone already said it on here but it all comes down to getting pressure on the QB.

After another off-season in the 3-4 along with Peppers and Matthews on the edges, Jarret Bush might actually be serviceable.

I understand that it probably won't happen but I'll keep dreaming.
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1) Patriots - Tom Brady
2) Jets - Mark Sanchez
3) Bengals - Carson Palmer
4) Ravens - Joe Flacco
5) Colts - Peyton Manning
6) Chargers - Phillip Rivers
7) Eagles - Donovan McNabb
8) Packers - Aaron Rodgers

How is that not true?
Google the 2004 Draft. That's my one clue for you. 8)
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What the hell are you talking about? You said that 4 of the NFC teams this year didn't draft their current QB and I said that 8 of the 12 playoff teams did. You make no sense.

Be realistic. Green Bay isn't the destination for top tier free agents and Ted Thompson doesn't make blockbuster trades. Would these guys help? Most definetly. Throw out Reggie White's name all you want but thats when free agency was new.
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I honestly hope you're not talking about the fact that the Chargers traded for Philip Rivers, rather then keeping Eli Manning...who is also a pro bowl franchise QB...
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Okay that doesn't even count. Rivers was a Giant for less than 5 minutes. It's like say Marbury or Dirk were Bucks players. Even with Rivers out of the picture over half were still drafted by the team they lead to the playoffs. Plus your arguement was about free agent signings and not trades.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/packers.html

Did anyone read this yet? It's about Collins and Sharper. It really kinda of got me upset. Sharper was my favorite player growing up, they drafted him when I was in 5th and 6th grade and he instantly became my Favorite Packer. I was sucked when TT released him. Then we drafted Collins, and he turned out to be really good and makes the same type of big plays Sharper did. Now here he is 26, just went to back to back pro-bowls, and really is hitting the prime of his career and TT has shown no interest in locking him up long-term. It doesn't make sense to me.

He has a good amount of blown coverages and I hate his can be questionable at times but I don't think there is a team in the NFL that wouldn't want to have him. It's mind bottling! (Will Ferrell quote)

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Did anyone read this yet? It's about Collins and Sharper. It really kinda of got me upset. Sharper was my favorite player growing up, they drafted him when I was in 5th and 6th grade and he instantly became my Favorite Packer. I was sucked when TT released him. Then we drafted Collins, and he turned out to be really good and makes the same type of big plays Sharper did. Now here he is 26, just went to back to back pro-bowls, and really is hitting the prime of his career and TT has shown no interest in locking him up long-term. It doesn't make sense to me.

He has a good amount of blown coverages and I hate his can be questionable at times but I don't think there is a team in the NFL that wouldn't want to have him. It's mind bottling! (Will Ferrell quote)

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A potential lockout in 2011 is holding everything up if you ask me. I don't think the Packers want to invest alot of money in players that might not be playing. Thompson has shown that he isn't affraid to lock up the guys he brought in (Rodgers, Poppinga, Jennings, Grant, Chillar)

I think he's playing hard ball with Collins to humble him. Seems to be working lately after Collins threatened holdout. I don't see us no signing Collins long term at some point in the near future.
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I don't see any reason we'd let Collins walk. We have more time to make that contract happen than people realize. Regarding Sharper taking a jab at TT - any player that doesn't get resigned is going to take it personally. We can't sign everyone. Seeing Sharper make the pro bowl points to a mistake on Thompson's part, but to be fair who knows what waves and ripples resigning him would have had (like Collins wearing different colors).
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Are you telling me the Chargers drafted Philip Rivers?
I mean you made it technical disputing the fact that none of the final 4 NFC QBs were drafted by their teams after someone said it was very rare and lucky the Vikings got a good one in Farve without having to draft him. How rare is it when the best 4 in the NFC got their QBs without drafting them? That's not rare. Maybe more uncommon than drafting one, but it's not rare.

And to just call the Vikings "lucky" for their success is bitter and immature.

They took big swings trading for Jared Allen, signing FAs like Longwell, Hutchinson, Winfield, P Williams, M Williams, etc. That's not luck. That's aggressive. And they swept us and have won the division from us the past 2 seasons. Nobody hates the Vikings more than I do, but their approach has been no less successful than ours has. Let's drop the ego and admit facts here.

As for Peppers, no kidding that he will be expensive and it's no secret that we would seem to be a team that would not be aggressive pursuing him.
But I agree with Michael Lombardi and RockJock that it would be the best thing that we could do to our team. It would solve our biggest weakness. It would give us one of the NFL's best playmakers... he's a difference-maker. I subscribe to the theory that the team with the best playmakers has the best chance to win Super Bowls.

Peppers would be our Demarcus Ware, our Jared Allen, our Dwight Freeney and he deserves to be paid in that range.

We aren't in bad shape financially, even with this being an uncapped year, if we need to, we can free up some money by going rookie in replacing Donald Lee, Kampman, Colledge, Jarrett Bush, etc. We don't have to though. We can take on Peppers and give him a new contract. Trust in Ted. But no, I would not bet on in happening.
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A potential lockout in 2011 is holding everything up if you ask me. I don't think the Packers want to invest alot of money in players that might not be playing. Thompson has shown that he isn't affraid to lock up the guys he brought in (Rodgers, Poppinga, Jennings, Grant, Chillar)

I think he's playing hard ball with Collins to humble him. Seems to be working lately after Collins threatened holdout. I don't see us no signing Collins long term at some point in the near future.
That CBA mess is without question the big issue at the moment regarding Collins.
If he was going to be an UFA like normal, he would have been locked up by now. But he's not. He's basically trapped for another year, or even two. So he's not as high priority as someone else who might get away easier. Plus we could always tag Collins and if someone else wanted him bad enough, the Packers would get some serious compensation for him. I'm pretty sure that would never happen though. But in this business, you never say never. I think we've all learned that.
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he got removed??? wow he has a big time poster when he was active. what happened?
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He was removed a loooong time ago. He keeps trying to come back under new names. He couldn't keep his mouth shut on controversial issues that are not supposed to be discussed on here.
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http://packerchatters.com/?p=11062
AJ Hawk and a 2nd for Cromartie and a 3rd?

Come take a ride on the lollercoaster, this deal would essentially be the Pack trading their 3rd for the Chargers' 2nd.
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i dont see it happening....
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Come take a ride on the lollercoaster, this deal would essentially be the Pack trading their 3rd for the Chargers' 2nd.
Hell no. Packerchatters is a terrible site for info too.
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Packerchatters is awful.
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Old 02-03-2010, 03:15 PM    (permalink
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Packerchatters is about as legit as Jarrett Bush being a true shut down corner... catch my drift.

I don't even waste my time reading anything from there anymore and if I do I take it with a grain of sand.


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They took big swings trading for Jared Allen, signing FAs like Longwell, Hutchinson, Winfield, P Williams, M Williams, etc. That's not luck. That's aggressive. And they swept us and have won the division from us the past 2 seasons. Nobody hates the Vikings more than I do, but their approach has been no less successful than ours has. Let's drop the ego and admit facts here.

As for Peppers, no kidding that he will be expensive and it's no secret that we would seem to be a team that would not be aggressive pursuing him.
But I agree with Michael Lombardi and RockJock that it would be the best thing that we could do to our team. It would solve our biggest weakness. It would give us one of the NFL's best playmakers... he's a difference-maker. I subscribe to the theory that the team with the best playmakers has the best chance to win Super Bowls.
Two questions for ya?

How many Superbowls have the Vikings been to since going on there spending spree?

Did Albert Haynesworth, the man consider by many the best defense of player in the game bring the Redskins to the promise land this season?

Sidenote: The 2008 season marked the first season since 2000 that the Vikings finished with a winning record and made the playoffs. And in those 8 seasons they pissed away a lot of money just to lose games.

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