Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 561

Whistler6 · 03-15-2010, 08:58 PM

If anyone has an iPod or any sort of MP3, I strongly suggest downloading ESPN's First Draft PodCast off iTunes. Todd McShay and Mel Kiper, on the most recent episode, break down all the offensive linemen.

After Okung, Trent Williams, a luke-warm feel towards the next few top prospects, they aren't nearly as high on the rest of the guys as some. I don't have much else, but it's an interesting listen.

The next couple of recordings will mock drafting the 1st round...It's cool to download because they are free, and otherwise ESPN Insider charges money to read some of their stuff on the website.

YoungGeezy · 03-15-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Whistler6

If anyone has an iPod or any sort of MP3, I strongly suggest downloading ESPN's First Draft PodCast off iTunes. Todd McShay and Mel Kiper, on the most recent episode, break down all the offensive linemen.

After Okung and Trent Richardson, they aren't nearly as high on the rest of the guys as some. I don't have much else, but it's an interesting listen. The next couple of recordings will mock drafting the 1st 32 picks...It's cool to download because they are free, and otherwise ESPN Insider charges money to read their stuff on the website.

who? I think you mean Trent Williams but hey I wish there was a way for the Packers to get Trent Richarson! Bad news is we will have to wait til 2012 probably. Ingram is damn good but people can't forget how good his Freshman backup is down there in Alabama

YoungGeezy · 03-15-2010, 09:09 PM

ha nevermind you fixed it but I am pretty high on Richardson, he was probably my favorite RB from the 2009 class

YoungGeezy · 03-15-2010, 09:19 PM

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If Geno could not beat Barbre at RT, which is his second best position, then he will not be a starter in this league.

Issue isn't his talent, it is he is still learning. He was a DE and OLB in Hs before he quit to focus on basketball his Junior year. Was talked into playing College football by HS coach where he was moved to TE because of his hands and great althletic ability. He put on 60 pounds from his Soph to Junior year forcing them to move him to tackle where he only made 2 starts. Then his season year he unleased and played great leading him to get drafted.

The guy has been playing OT for only 4 seasons in his whole life. They obviously see something there and just want to get him ready before throwing him in the mix. This season may the season he starts to see some time.

Whistler6 · 03-15-2010, 09:28 PM

Damnit Havner, use your head man...Is it fricken worth it?

Spencer Havner Arrested For DUI

Whistler6 · 03-15-2010, 09:33 PM

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ha nevermind you fixed it but I am pretty high on Richardson, he was probably my favorite RB from the 2009 class

Yeah, you must have quoted me just as I was fixing it. I must have RB's on the brain.

Hmmm

cvv84 · 03-15-2010, 09:34 PM

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Damnit Havner, use your head man...Is it fricken worth it?

Spencer Havner Arrested For DUI

What an idiot. Drink, drive your MOTORCYLE, and drive WITHOUT a helmet?!?!? Sounds like some nasty injuries he suffered. Hopefully he's ok and hopefully he learns from such a stupid act.

RyanBraun8 · 03-15-2010, 10:15 PM

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What an idiot. Drink, drive your MOTORCYLE, and drive WITHOUT a helmet?!?!? Sounds like some nasty injuries he suffered. Hopefully he's ok and hopefully he learns from such a stupid act.

Yeah, drinking and driving a car is bad enough, a motorcycle without a helmet is ridiculous.

I was wondering about this earlier for some reason but how much influence do you think that Ron Wolf has with the Packers these days? With Wolf being one of TT's mentors and with Ron's son Elliot now being a rather high in the front office, do you think Ron helps out or helps advice them at all?

I know for me personally having a coach for a father and also having been mentored by my Wisconsin Hall of Fame high school coach after he brought me on his staff for my first paid position. I am always talking to them and getting some advice for this and that.

I don't know I was reading an article that talked about Elliot Wolf today and that got me wondering. I never really thought about it until today so something I thought I'd bring up and see what ya'll think

jackalope · 03-15-2010, 10:46 PM

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Yeah, drinking and driving a car is bad enough, a motorcycle without a helmet is ridiculous.

I was wondering about this earlier for some reason but how much influence do you think that Ron Wolf has with the Packers these days? With Wolf being one of TT's mentors and with Ron's son Elliot now being a rather high in the front office, do you think Ron helps out or helps advice them at all?

I know for me personally having a coach for a father and also having been mentored by my Wisconsin Hall of Fame high school coach after he brought me on his staff for my first paid position. I am always talking to them and getting some advice for this and that.

I don't know I was reading an article that talked about Elliot Wolf today and that got me wondering. I never really thought about it until today so something I thought I'd bring up and see what ya'll think

I imagine Thompson might consult Wolf on how to handle certain situations that he isn't used to and that sort of thing, but in terms of actual drafting/roster management, I would be shocked if Wolf has any sort of impact at all.

PACKmanN · 03-16-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by YoungGeezy

Issue isn't his talent, it is he is still learning. He was a DE and OLB in Hs before he quit to focus on basketball his Junior year. Was talked into playing College football by HS coach where he was moved to TE because of his hands and great althletic ability. He put on 60 pounds from his Soph to Junior year forcing them to move him to tackle where he only made 2 starts. Then his season year he unleased and played great leading him to get drafted.

The guy has been playing OT for only 4 seasons in his whole life. They obviously see something there and just want to get him ready before throwing him in the mix. This season may the season he starts to see some time.

Sure, but it wasn't close during TC last year between Barbre and Geno, and we saw how terrible Barbre was at RT. What does that tell you about Geno?

I doubt Geno makes the roster, if anthing, he's the last linemen we rely on.

PACKmanN · 03-16-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RyanBraun8

Yeah, drinking and driving a car is bad enough, a motorcycle without a helmet is ridiculous.

I was wondering about this earlier for some reason but how much influence do you think that Ron Wolf has with the Packers these days? With Wolf being one of TT's mentors and with Ron's son Elliot now being a rather high in the front office, do you think Ron helps out or helps advice them at all?

I know for me personally having a coach for a father and also having been mentored by my Wisconsin Hall of Fame high school coach after he brought me on his staff for my first paid position. I am always talking to them and getting some advice for this and that.

I don't know I was reading an article that talked about Elliot Wolf today and that got me wondering. I never really thought about it until today so something I thought I'd bring up and see what ya'll think

If TT didn't learn everything while working with Wolf, then we would be in trouble. As well, every GM has their own way of wanting to build a team. TT doesn't consider FA an option for major impact players, but Wolf did.

RyanBraun8 · 03-16-2010, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

Sure, but it wasn't close during TC last year between Barbre and Geno, and we saw how terrible Barbre was at RT. What does that tell you about Geno?

I doubt Geno makes the roster, if anthing, he's the last linemen we rely on.

Who knows maybe he will click. It seems that they are high on his progress and feel this is his make or break year to prove it. While I am not lobbying for him or trying to stand up for him really but the fact is that coming in he was light years behind where a normal lineman prospect would be. He only had one year of his whole life that he was a starting every down lineman. His junior year he didn't really play at all really and before that he had hardly ever even blocked in his life.

He is 24, going into his 3rd NFL season and has now had 2 years of learning under his belt. Lets hope he can turn the corner. He has the size and athletic ability now he needs to show it on the field

J-Mike88 · 03-16-2010, 08:31 AM

Havner will surely be suspended for that "boneheaded" moment.

J-Mike88 · 03-16-2010, 01:11 PM

When does the NFL Schedule come out?
Any guesses on which of our games will be on Monday & Sunday Night Football?

I bet the Vikings @ Saints game will be the Thursday NFL Opening game.
GEAUX SAINTS!

umphrey · 03-16-2010, 01:27 PM

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When does the NFL Schedule come out?
Any guesses on which of our games will be on Monday & Sunday Night Football?

I bet the Vikings @ Saints game will be the Thursday NFL Opening game.
GEAUX SAINTS!

Hate to open this can of worms - If I have to watch Favre and listen to the announcers kiss his a** for the season opener,

would lead to

J-Mike88 · 03-16-2010, 01:52 PM

I hate the "F" word.

Whistler6 · 03-16-2010, 02:05 PM

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I hate the "F" word.

I wouldn't go as far to say I hate Brett *****, but a strong dislike seems suitable. As long as he's a part of the Vikings I want nothing to do with him, and he is dead to me. Following retirement and inevitable induction into the Hall of Fame, I will gladly welcome him home. Now, not a chance. He's the enemy.

RyanBraun8 · 03-16-2010, 03:28 PM

I have no problems with him, the guy loves football, I love Aaron Rodgers, end of story. Would everyone here rather still have him at 41 over Aaron Rodgers at 26? Brett loves and wants to play until he can no longer hold up, I can't on my childhood idiol for being one the most passionate players to ever play the game. That is wrong to do.

Yeah I dislike the fact he plays for our enemy but my best friend is a Cub fan so in reality it is not that big of a deal. I am not going to stop hanging out or talking to my best friend (even though during baseball season I kind of want to) just because is on the darkside. That is the way I see Favre. He took over for GB when I was about 4 or 5 and until two season ago he was there every sunday. He didn't miss or come out of games, he played with inspiring passion that made kids like want to be just like him, lead us to 2 super bowls, he helped revive the franchise and never complained after all the stuff he has had to go through.

Brett, I'm a true fan, i thank you for all you have done and a most of would like to thank you for leaving and letting Rodgers step and become our franchise QB! Hope you can come back next year and this season we kick your ass.

No grudge at all

Mr.Regular · 03-16-2010, 04:18 PM

Please, how could you like Brett?
Lets run over the events one more time.

1- He retired in a tear filled speech at Lambeau
2- We draft towards future ( 2 new QB's)
3- We head into offseason workouts and training camp with ARod installed as the starter. New playbook, everything designed for him, etc.
4- Brett changes his mind. Again. He wants back. Teddy is in a dilemna. Says that it is too late to let him back now, so he trades him to the Jets.
5- Brett feels betrayed towards the Packers and wants revenge on the team that paid him millions, had a nation of fans worship him, and made him a star.
6- After one year of playing for the Jets he 'retires' only so he can get released and sign with the Vikings so he can stick it to us....for no reason.
7-He's now Mr. Viking....about the worst thing he could be to a Packer fan. Itd be like Derek Jeter being the face of the Red Sox, and smacking Dustin Pedroia's ass after games... its just not right

Listen, I loved Favre. He was my childhood hero. I still love the memories of him when he was on the team, Im grateful for the MVPs and the Super Bowl and everything, but I do not like him. Hes an egomaniac, he comes off as very selfish, childish, and very unappreciative of everything that the Packers and the loyal nation of Packers fans did for him. He singlehandedly destroyed one of the greatest legacies of any NFL player ever with one team, because of childish waffling and unnecessary revenge seeking.

Sure we can throw out all the Favre cliches out there... loves to play the game, looks like a kid out there, can't leave the game he loves.... I dont care. What he did to us as Packers fans and how he handled everything is about as bad as it gets. Brett is dead to me, and I dont quite understand how other Packer fans dont feel the same way.

mqtirishfan · 03-16-2010, 04:30 PM

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Brett is dead to me, and I dont quite understand how other Packer fans dont feel the same way.

This game helps.

Mr.Regular · 03-16-2010, 04:34 PM

As I said, I love the memories of when he was on the team and all he did for us. But as I explained, the way he left, and the way he intentionally maneuvered his way to our arch rivals in seek of unjust revenge, has turned me off of him. How could it not?

mqtirishfan · 03-16-2010, 04:37 PM

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As I said, I love the memories of when he was on the team and all he did for us. But as I explained, the way he left, and the way he intentionally maneuvered his way to our arch rivals in seek of unjust revenge, has turned me off of him. How could it not?

Because I choose to remember the numerous years he was helping us rather than the two years where he didn't. Favre didn't actually mess with our team at all. We kept Rodgers, and Rodgers has had 2 outstanding seasons even with Favre on different teams rather than retired.

cvv84 · 03-16-2010, 04:48 PM

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Because I choose to remember the numerous years he was helping us rather than the two years where he didn't. Favre didn't actually mess with our team at all. We kept Rodgers, and Rodgers has had 2 outstanding seasons even with Favre on different teams rather than retired.

That couldn't be farther from the truth.

mqtirishfan · 03-16-2010, 04:54 PM

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That couldn't be farther from the truth.

Let's see here.

Favre retires:

We have Rodgers at QB, TT as GM and MM as Head Coach.

Favre un-retires:

We have Rodgers at QB, TT as GM and MM as Head Coach.

So nothing was changed there.

But wait, maybe him coming back messed up our chemistry and made it so we could not perform as well on the field.

Wait, nope. We won 11 games and had a phenomenal offense last year.

The only way Favre legitimately affected the Packers was by helping his new team this year beat us twice and win the division, which a lot of people seemed to think would have happened anyway.

Mr.Regular · 03-16-2010, 05:01 PM

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Let's see here.

Favre retires:

We have Rodgers at QB, TT as GM and MM as Head Coach.

Favre un-retires:

We have Rodgers at QB, TT as GM and MM as Head Coach.

So nothing was changed there.

But wait, maybe him coming back messed up our chemistry and made it so we could not perform as well on the field.

Wait, nope. We won 11 games and had a phenomenal offense last year.

The only way Favre legitimately affected the Packers was by helping his new team this year beat us twice and win the division, which a lot of people seemed to think would have happened anyway.

He provided one of the biggest distractions I ever saw before that 6-10 season 2 years back. Then he went to our biggest rival in an attempt to get revenge on us, and won the division by one game.
He messed with us... big time.