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Old 06-27-2010, 06:19 PM    (permalink
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Well, I think what happened was that TT said something to the effect of I wouldn't be opposed to adding a veteran or that he'll keep all options open and the media took that as they are interested in a veteran linebacker
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Who here thinks Johnny Jolly will ever get another contract with the Packers?
Did you guys see the Outside The Lines on ESPN about him and the cough syrup crap? He's so dumb.

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Who here thinks Johnny Jolly will ever get another contract with the Packers?
Did you guys see the Outside The Lines on ESPN about him and the cough syrup crap? He's so dumb.

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I think its safe to say that Jolly's time in Green Bay is running out. It sucks too because I was rooting for him since he was a rookie. Talented guy but it was the character concerns are what caused him to drop to in the draft in the first place. He's already lost his starting job and we drafted his replacement in Mike Neal. Jolly is definetly a guy I wouldn't want to invest long term in.
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Who are the Packers 10 Most Valuable Players?
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Barnett's not that valuable, neither is Jennings. Sitton and Jenkins are pretty damn important though. Our line would have fell apart completely last year without reliable stud RG. That's the only offensive line position we don't have to worry about, the others are huge question marks even with Bulaga and Lang and Spitz coming back.
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1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Charles Woodson
3. Clay Matthews
4. Nick Collins
5. Cullen Jenkins
6. Ryan Grant
7. Chad Clifton
8. Greg Jennings
9. Ryan Pickett
10.Tramon Williams/Al Harris
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Barnett's not that valuable, neither is Jennings.
You're totally under-estimating how important Greg Jennings is to our offense, as much of the nation's fans do.

We're lucky enough to have not had to see what difference he makes because he's been very durable, not missing a bunch of time.

While Jordy and James are good, nobody would fill Jennings' shoes. He's our deep threat, the one that safeties keep an eye out for.

He's the one who was open for the deep TD in overtime to win the playoff game at the Cardinals, as he did to beat the Bears with a minute to go in week one.

He's the one who made the one-handed circus catch in the end zone in that game..... He's a superstar, and one with no ego. He's a playmaker and has special skill that neither Jordy nor Jones can fill.

Once Jennings misses a bunch of games, this won't even be open for debate, so for all our sakes, I hope we can debate it for many more years as a pure what-if.



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1. Aaron Rodgers
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4. Nick Collins
5. Cullen Jenkins
6. Ryan Grant
7. Chad Clifton
8. Greg Jennings
9. Ryan Pickett
10.Tramon Williams/Al Harris
That looks pretty good except:
Grant's shoes would be much easier to fill than Greg Jennings would be. I like Grant and often defend him come draft time when everyone thinks we need a faster guy. But he's not that great that he can't be replaced with little harm to the high octane offense. Jennings is special, was well worth his draft status of a 2nd rounder.

Also, I don't think Cullen is as valuable now that we run a 3-4. Glad to see you recognized Clifton. He's critical and just looking at the the last 4 Viking games and the Bengals game last year is proof of that.
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That looks pretty good except:
Grant's shoes would be much easier to fill than Greg Jennings would be. I like Grant and often defend him come draft time when everyone thinks we need a faster guy. But he's not that great that he can't be replaced with little harm to the high octane offense. Jennings is special, was well worth his draft status of a 2nd rounder.

Also, I don't think Cullen is as valuable now that we run a 3-4. Glad to see you recognized Clifton. He's critical and just looking at the the last 4 Viking games and the Bengals game last year is proof of that.
In the long run, yes Grant would be a lot easier to replace. For this season though we would be much worse off with Brandon Jackson starting than James Jones starting.

Cullen Jenkins played extremely well last year. Even though it was his first year in the system he was playing like one of the best 3-4 DEs in the league. He might be even more valuable now that we run a 3-4.
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BEST 5 games on the schedule?

http://packersinsider.com/2010/06/ra...games-of-2010/

Damn I'm excited. I can't wait for football.
If we can go 3-2 in these 5 games, we'll be alright. If we can go 4-1, I like our chances at a bye in the playoffs.
If we somehow go 5-0 in these 5 games, it will be a magical carpet ride a la 1996.
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1. Aaron Rodgers
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6. Ryan Grant
7. Chad Clifton
8. Greg Jennings
9. Ryan Pickett
10.Tramon Williams/Al Harris
Clifton and Tausch should be in the top 5, with them we were able to actually move foward without taking a step back, without them, well...
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Clifton and Tausch should be in the top 5, with them we were able to actually move foward without taking a step back, without them, well...
Agreed.... I think Adewale Ogunleye of the Bears proved how important Tauscher was to the Packers, in week one when he assaulted and accosted Rodgers all night long.
The previous 6 seasons, we never really heard that guy's name while Tauscher was in there at RT.

Clifton healthy in the 2008 opener = Jared Allen shutout and Packers win.
Since that game, Clifton not fully healthy or in vs Vikings = Jared Allen looks like Dwight Freeney and Vikings 3-0 vs us, winning division twice.
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Clifton and Tausch should be in the top 5, with them we were able to actually move foward without taking a step back, without them, well...
Definitely have to disagree about Tauscher. I think Bulaga should be starting over him week one. Last year that was a real problem, but now with Bulaga and an improved Lang I think we could be fine without Tauscher.

Clifton is important because he's the only one we have who has proven he can play LT well in the NFL. That keeps him up there, again though, Bulaga and Lang help take it down from where he'd be last year.
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7. Chad Clifton
8. Greg Jennings
9. Ryan Pickett
10.Tramon Williams/Al Harris
Probably what I'd go with as well. Although, I think we'll see Finley up there after this season even though he's a TE.


Kind of hard to put Al on there considering the severity of his injury too.
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Probably what I'd go with as well. Although, I think we'll see Finley up there after this season even though he's a TE.


Kind of hard to put Al on there considering the severity of his injury too.
Yeah I think Finley will be a beast this year, but I mean we've seen our offense function perfectly fine without him so I wasn't going to rank him.

As for the tenth spot that was to mean that if we lose either of them our cornerback depth is going to be in trouble again.
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1. Aaron Rodgers
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3. Clay Matthews
4. Nick Collins
5. Cullen Jenkins
6. Ryan Grant
7. Chad Clifton
8. Greg Jennings
9. Ryan Pickett
10.Tramon Williams/Al Harris
Also, I know this is off topic, but Ted Thompson was intricate or had a hand in acquiring/retaining nearly every player on here. I can't wait for the day when Packer fans stop criticizing him, the guy knows football. He's probbaly built the best nucleus of young talent in the NFL. Sadly, I think some Packer " fans" won't realize that until the Packers beat Favre and win the superbowl . So this year, right?
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Sadly I doubt that'll ever happen, even with a Super Bowl win. There are too many butthurt Favre lovers that will always bash Thompson no matter how well he's done.
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Yeah I think Finley will be a beast this year, but I mean we've seen our offense function perfectly fine without him so I wasn't going to rank him.

As for the tenth spot that was to mean that if we lose either of them our cornerback depth is going to be in trouble again.
I think Finley might be the #1 priority for the opponent defense next year. It might play out where Finley puts up beastly numbers week 1 through 8 and then defenses adjust and the receivers get some numbers. That is saying a lot about how talented I think Finley is. Also, I consider him a TE/WR because he gets a lot of snaps lined out wide. I just hope he can stay healthy. He's so big and fast his tendons and ligaments are going to get put under enormous stress then take hits from 255 lb players running at 20 mph.
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Clifton is important because he's the only one we have who has proven he can play LT well in the NFL.
That keeps him up there, again though, Bulaga and Lang help take it down from where he'd be last year.
True on Clifton, but also true of Tauscher at RT. Bulaga hasn't proven he can play RT well in the NFL either.
Like I said earlier, in the 5 or 6 years Tauscher was our RT against the Bears, we really never heard Adewale Ogunleye's name mentioned making a sack.
That changed the one time last year against them that Tauscher wasn't blocking him. Aaron believes in him and so do I. I feel he's very under-appreciated, much like some say TT is.
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True on Clifton, but also true of Tauscher at RT. Bulaga hasn't proven he can play RT well in the NFL either.
Like I said earlier, in the 5 or 6 years Tauscher was our RT against the Bears, we really never heard Adewale Ogunleye's name mentioned making a sack.
That changed the one time last year against them that Tauscher wasn't blocking him. Aaron believes in him and so do I. I feel he's very under-appreciated, much like some say TT is.
Well yeah, but LT is a much more difficult transition to the NFL than RT is. And yeah, in the last 5 or 6 years Tauscher was great, but I really think he's losing it now. I'd say he has this one last season, if that, of being effective. I've said before that I think Bulaga will be a better option from the start. Tauscher had a great career as a Packer, and used to be one of the better RTs in the league, but he's becoming washed up.
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I dont really get all the Tauscher hate... He came back from a major injury and you cant tell me that once he was back our o-line didnt play amazingly better. Tauscher didnt have any part in that? Clifton IMO is looking worse and worse every year and the guy is falling apart. There is hardly a game where Clifton doesnt come out.
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I dont really get all the Tauscher hate... He came back from a major injury and you cant tell me that once he was back our o-line didnt play amazingly better. Tauscher didnt have any part in that? Clifton IMO is looking worse and worse every year and the guy is falling apart. There is hardly a game where Clifton doesnt come out.


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*I dont really get all the Tauscher hate...

*He came back from a major injury and you cant tell me that once he was back our o-line didnt play amazingly better.

*Tauscher didnt have any part in that?

*Clifton IMO is looking worse and worse every year and the guy is falling apart.

*There is hardly a game where Clifton doesnt come out.
*****Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed. I don't know why, but it seems like Tauscher just continues to get overlooked by a lot of Packer fans, even though we saw the dropoff when he wasn't there last year.
People shouldn't assume that the next guy will do as well. Just take the good work Tauscher quietly does and pay your respects.

Of course, as with Clifton, Driver, Harris..... they are not at their peak anymore. But I thought we all saw the offense take it up a notch once Mark was there at RT. He had a lot to do with that.
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Cullen Jenkins is right there with Woodson, Collins, and Clay. He may actually be the most important because he plays the most important postion (DL) that makes all those guys job possible. He just does everything so well. To me he is still on of the most underated players in the NFL. I remember when he a rookie or 2nd year guy and I saw him when he got very little time and I use to tell all the guys in the weight room that he was going to be a stud and he hasn't let me down. Hope to see him at ROLB some this season! lol

Sitton is the other guy I thing needs to find a place on there because he has been healthy and by far the most consistant and maybe the best guy on our line over the past 2 seasons

Prickett as NT I say yes, at DE not so sure but GB12 hit it pretty well on the head I think but with Sitton at 10 over Williams
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Tausch is a pretty good right tackle and he makes this team better. He's not great though, and he might not even be good if he follows the expected decline. Tausch looked so good last year mostly because Barbre was so terrible. He is flat out awful and I hope he gets cut. He hasn't learned a damn thing in 3 (?) years and the only position I can see him ever having success at is RG where we already have Sitton, and a backup RG specialist with no developmental value is useless.

Sorry for the tangent, my point: Tausch is about average but he looked great because his competition sucked so much.
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