Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 630

cvv84 · 11-14-2010, 03:25 PM

So, thoughts on our 2010 draft class so far?

Bulaga - Pretty much helped to stabilize the offensive line along with the improved play of Clifton and Colledge. I still believe that Dez Bryant is going to be a damn good WR but Bulaga was and is the right pick for us.

Neal - Very impressive in his limited action this season. If Jolly returns next season and Jenkins is retained we should have a ton of depth and talent on the defensive line.

Burnett - Still too early too tell but the results were positive on him. Next year could a battle at strong safety depending on what happens with Peprah, Bigby, and/or Woodson changing positions.

Quarless - Talented kid but it looks like his catching needs work. Too many missed opportunites and a real failure to establish himself when players ahead of him went down. Reguardless he looks like a descent future #2 TE.

Newhouse - Too early too tell. Future seems to be at OT.

Starks - Time will tell.

Wilson - Kind of suprised me with his ability to hold up in the 3-4. I figured him to be a pass rushing specialist in certain packages.

Shields - Seems to be really growing into the position. He looks like he's gaining confidence and he hasn't been that huge liability that you'd expect to see from an undrafted free agent learning the position and starting at nickleback. Potential keeper.

Just thinking about some guys we passed on too like Charles Brown, Sergio Kindle, and Selvish Capers, we really haven't missed out on much and the guys we did draft look to have a future in the green and gold.

J-Mike88 · 11-14-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Want the bears to win. MAke it a 2 team race rather than 3. Eliminate one threat. Bears schedule is tough at the end to

Bingo.
The Bears are not a threat to us in my opinion. I'd love to face them in the playoffs. They're not that good.

The Vikings are dead and they will implode this week. Harvin might not even play.

But the Bears are lucky in that they now get the Dolphins who just had both their #1 & #2 QB's hurt today. How convenient for them.

But they have the Eagles, Patriots, at Vikings, Jets, and at Packers. If they can navigate thru that and beat us, they deserve it.

I don't think they can do it.

BloodBrother · 11-14-2010, 04:13 PM

Agreed. Didn't want Minny to have any life, so Chicago beating them all but eliminates them. They have to probably win out to have a chance, and I don't see it happening

As far as the Bears go, their D/ST is of course what is keeping them in games, but I still don't think they are really that good. I'll be surprised if they win more than 2-3 games the rest of the way.

bearsfan_51 · 11-14-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

The Bears are not a threat to us in my opinion. I'd love to face them in the playoffs. They're not that good.

Obviously, that's why you beat us.

Anyway, it doesn't matter because there won't be a wild card coming out of the North. The Falcons/Saints have one locked down, and it seems more than likely that the other will come out of the East. The Division will likely be settled in Lambeau, which portends good things for the Packers, but they've always had trouble beating Lovie's Bears.

BloodBrother · 11-14-2010, 04:37 PM

how often did the packers extend drives for chicago, or negate INT's they got on cutler due to penalty? And how many times did they ruin their own drives via penalty. That was a horribly played game by GB, and is still took chicago a last second FG to win it. That was one of the worst games I've ever seen

I do give chicago credit though, I didn't expect them to be in it at this point. We'll see how things end up, but I want to see how they do vs those quality opponents down the stretch. Their OL will be the death of them IMO

bearsfan_51 · 11-14-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodBrother

how often did the packers extend drives for chicago, or negate INT's they got on cutler due to penalty? And how many times did they ruin their own drives via penalty. That was a horribly played game by GB, and is still took chicago a last second FG to win it. That was one of the worst games I've ever seen

Oh that's right, I forgot the rule in the NFL where a loss doesn't count if you play bad.

Sportsfan486 · 11-14-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Oh that's right, I forgot the rule in the NFL where a loss doesn't count if you play bad.

The Packers have improved drastically since that game and, look, you guys got the W. Obviously. But it was our worst played game of the year and we always struggle at Soldier Field. And are you really going to suggest that, based on that game, we won't win at home? Games as close as that usually come down to who's at home. Your offensive weaknesses are our defensive strengths (pressure and turnovers.) Granted, our poor special teams and your vastly superior special teams has a chance to keep you in the game and your defense is always tough against us.

Vikings will be coming into our game with very possibly Tavaris starting, no Harvin, no Rice, and an interim coach. We need to come at them hard from the get go and erase any splinter of hope they have for the season so they just roll over.

I think the Bears are a decent team, very good defensively and spectacular on special teams.. but that offense is atrocious and that schedule is brutal.

With the Falcons and Saints both likely to hit 10 wins and probably the Giants and Eagles as well, it's going to be tough for the Bears and Packers both to make it. The Bears are also behind in the Conference record race with 3 losses all in the NFC and 3 tough NFC games to go. Likely need to beat the Packers week 17 and win the division to make it. Not impossible to think either the Giants or Eagles fade and 9 or 10 wins gets a wildcard without a tiebreaker, though.

*edit* Also, not sure how many of you saw Walter's TD catch for the Texans that basically was less of a catch than Calvin Johnson's earlier this year, they called incomplete, reviewed, and called complete. Same ref, too, I believe. So basically if the Bears played the same game against the Lions today.. they would have gotten a L. Nice consistency, NFL.

Hawk · 11-14-2010, 06:06 PM

I saw Al Harris in action today for Miami, makes me wonder why we cut him. As much as I like Shields, I'd rather have Harris back there if he could play.

Sportsfan486 · 11-14-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

I saw Al Harris in action today for Miami, makes me wonder why we cut him. As much as I like Shields, I'd rather have Harris back there if he could play.

Was he starting? How'd he play? Didn't catch any of that game.

bearsfan_51 · 11-14-2010, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486

The Packers have improved drastically since that game and, look, you guys got the W. Obviously. But it was our worst played game of the year and we always struggle at Soldier Field. And are you really going to suggest that, based on that game, we won't win at home?

No, I'm going to suggest that it's rather arrogant to make the comment that a team that already beat you and has the same record as you isn't a threat.

It's cool though, you guys gave me rep. I love me some rep.

Sportsfan486 · 11-14-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

No, I'm going to suggest that it's rather arrogant to make the comment that a team that already beat you and has the same record as you isn't a threat.

It's cool though, you guys gave me rep. I love me some rep.

Look, you root for the Bears so I don't expect you to know how to read. That's fine.

From the same post you quoted. "Granted, our poor special teams and your vastly superior special teams has a chance to keep you in the game and your defense is always tough against us."

and

"I think the Bears are a decent team, very good defensively and spectacular on special teams"

But in the end you have Jay "What color jersey does my team wear?" Cutler.

BloodBrother · 11-14-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

Oh that's right, I forgot the rule in the NFL where a loss doesn't count if you play bad.

nice exaggeration. Simply put, I didnt' come away impressed by the bears. Worst game the Packers played in I don't know how long, and the Bears couldn't put the packers away at any point. The Bears special teams is still insanely good, and I like how their front 7 has played.

I hope the last meeting is meaningful

bearsfan_51 · 11-14-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsfan486

Look, you root for the Bears so I don't expect you to know how to read. That's fine.

From the same post you quoted. "Granted, our poor special teams and your vastly superior special teams has a chance to keep you in the game and your defense is always tough against us."

and

"I think the Bears are a decent team, very good defensively and spectacular on special teams"

But in the end you have Jay "What color jersey does my team wear?" Cutler.

Order of posts:

1)jmike08888888
2)the guy with the guy with green teeth in his sig
3) BF51, the annointed one
4) You

See, even though I quoted you, I was addressing comments made before my ORIGINAL post, which is the one to which you responded.

bearsfan_51 · 11-14-2010, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Simply put, I didnt' come away impressed by the bears. Worst game the Packers played in I don't know how long, and the Bears couldn't put the packers away at any point.

Well, see, here's that sticking point again. Because they DID put them away. It was at the end, and, while I understand that you seem to have a bit of a penchant for style points, that's really all that matters.

J-Mike88 · 11-14-2010, 08:37 PM

There are no style points in football.

But it took:
3 terrible calls be the zebras (one negated a TD to Finley. two negated last drive interceptions by the Packers), and a gift fumble along the sideline by James Jones for the Bears to barely win that game.

Now, we are worse now on offense with no Jermichael Finley, admitted. And we've had about 6 more guys go on IR since that game besides J-Mike, so the Bears gotta like that.

And anyone can beat anyone these days in the NFL. We were the better team that Monday night in Chicago, and still got the loss. So anything can happen next time as well. But I wouldn't trade rosters, or coaches, with that club.

BloodBrother · 11-14-2010, 08:44 PM

Yup, and I'd bet on the better talent to prevail in the long run

roughrider30 · 11-14-2010, 09:13 PM

Does anyone know the details of Capers contract? I can't find it online, and Thule is trying to tell me he will be the D coordinator for Dallas next year.

Thoughts?

GB12 · 11-14-2010, 09:34 PM

Honestly I have no idea about his contract, but I don't see any reason why he'd leave with the defense he's built here other than if he wanted to be a head coach again. And besides, he turned down a Dallas job just a couple of years ago.

roughrider30 · 11-14-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Honestly I have no idea about his contract, but I don't see any reason why he'd leave with the defense he's built here other than if he wanted to be a head coach again. And besides, he turned down a Dallas job just a couple of years ago.

Agreed, I mean he is 2 years into installing this system and already had very good success with it. I don't see why he would leave for a new project quite yet. Even though obviously it wouldn't be nearly as big of a project as coming here was.

According to Thule, he turned down the job because of not wanting to step on Stewart's toes in Dallas, not because he didn't want the job. Around the same time he took the advisor position with New England.

Zycho32 · 11-14-2010, 10:25 PM

Very nice. Last time the Packers and Bears had a race for the Division Title this deep into the season was what, '95? When both teams looked good and had realistic shots?

The rivalry gaining League-Wide relevance again gives these circumstances a beautiful silver lining. Not that I wouldn't have sneered at both Chicago and Minnesota cutting each other's throats for the rest of the season, mind you.

GB12 · 11-14-2010, 10:29 PM

2001. The Jim Miller year.

Sportsfan486 · 11-14-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GB12

Honestly I have no idea about his contract, but I don't see any reason why he'd leave with the defense he's built here other than if he wanted to be a head coach again. And besides, he turned down a Dallas job just a couple of years ago.

This. Why would he leave a job coaching one of the top 5 defenses in the NFL loaded with young talent to coach a bottom 5 defense? If he wants a head coaching job his best bet is to stick with the Packers, as our players are making him look ******* brilliant this year.

cvv84 · 11-15-2010, 06:27 AM

I don't know the terms or length of his contract but I'd assume it to be a 3 year deal. As for Dallas, he turned down their offer of being a team consultant so he wasn't even being considered for a coordinators job there.

drowe · 11-15-2010, 06:52 AM

Nice of the Cowboys to lay down and die for us and then beat the Giants.

well, the second act starts now. Here's what I think:

-6-3 and the playoff seem pretty likely.

-We're not going to finish 13-3. We will lose games. Plural. It's a brutal stretch against, not only playoff teams, but teams that may not play in the first round. Also, I fully expect us to beat a good team like Atlanta or New England, but lose to Minnesota or San Fran.

-Speaking of Minnesota...ugh. Those assholes again...already? Not sure how I feel about this week's game. Kinda hoping Brent gets the start. The Vikings are a talented team and we saw what happened when the Cowboys made some changes. I could see the whole team playing hard for T-Jax. Don't want that.

-The Bears....I know there's some debate going on right now, and it's dumb on both sides. Yes, the Bears beat us...but, it's not unrealistic to to think they'll implode when they're schedule gets tough. This will be settled on the field, with the winner of the head to head matchup at Lambeau having the edge in the division. Honestly, the Bears finishing 8-8 would not surprise me...and the Packers laying another egg when we play again would not surprise me.

-Playoff position--All the cool kids are 6-3. I should wait until the Monday night game, but, even now, it's a clusterfuck. Giants, Eagles, Bears, Packers, Falcons, Saints, Bucs. 2 of those teams will be left out. 2 of those teams will get first round byes. It's gonna be fun. Every game involving one of those teams will be meaningful from this point on. And the Packers get to play 3 of 'em head to head.

And the fun starts in 3 days...GO DOLPHINS.

bearsfan_51 · 11-15-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by drowe

-The Bears....I know there's some debate going on right now, and it's dumb on both sides. Yes, the Bears beat us...but, it's not unrealistic to to think they'll implode when they're schedule gets tough. This will be settled on the field, with the winner of the head to head matchup at Lambeau having the edge in the division. Honestly, the Bears finishing 8-8 would not surprise me...and the Packers laying another egg when we play again would not surprise me.

You're creating a false dichotomy. You'd be hard pressed to find a Bears fan, at least on this board, that even thinks our team is good. Let alone world beaters.