Green Bay Packers Discussion

[roughrider30]

Walden was named NFC Defensive player of the week.

http://blog.packers.com/2011/01/05/w...r-of-the-week/

Not bad for a guy who was looking for a team in the middle of the season

[cvv84]

Packers signed LS Brett Goode to a two-year, $1.6 million extension through 2012.


I like our approach so far in getting our free agents locked up.

[GB12]

Originally Posted by BloodBrother

by inconsistent I mean that he has flashes of brilliance, and the skill is obviously there, but for whatever reason the dude seems to have trouble with drops and fumbles, and is lazy when it comes to jumpballs. I wasn't talking about yardage/td production

Jones has three fumbles this year. It's not like he has some crazy number where he fumbles all the time. That's more than you'd like, but it's not something to be overly concerned about. Jordy Nelson also has 3 this year, and you never hear anything said about him, Greg Jennings has two this year and Driver has one. The fact that he had the one to lose the Bears game is what's sticking in people's minds, making it seem like a bigger problem than it is. In 2008 and 2009 he didn't have a single fumble either, so it's not like it's always a problem with him. As for drops, I don't have the stats for that, but I bet Jennings and Driver are close or even have more than he does.

Originally Posted by cvv84

I know what you mean already, it doesn't make a difference.

Alright, so why bring it up. It doesn't matter.

[PACKmanN]

Originally Posted by GB12

Jones has three fumbles this year. It's not like he has some crazy number where he fumbles all the time. That's more than you'd like, but it's not something to be overly concerned about. Jordy Nelson also has 3 this year, and you never hear anything said about him, Greg Jennings has two this year and Driver has one. The fact that he had the one to lose the Bears game is what's sticking in people's minds, making it seem like a bigger problem than it is. In 2008 and 2009 he didn't have a single fumble either, so it's not like it's always a problem with him. As for drops, I don't have the stats for that, but I bet Jennings and Driver are close or even have more than he does.


Alright, so why bring it up. It doesn't matter.

I remember 2 fumbles in the Bears game in 09; I have a problem with his hands when the weather turns cold. He could be a very good wideout for a team that plays somewhere warm and he doesn't have to worry about catching wet balls.

[cvv84]

Originally Posted by GB12

Alright, so why bring it up. It doesn't matter.

Being healthy doesn't matter? Keep repeating yourself.

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by PACKmanN

I remember 2 fumbles in the Bears game in 09; I have a problem with his hands when the weather turns cold. He could be a very good wideout for a team that plays somewhere warm and he doesn't have to worry about catching wet balls.

Jones fumbled 2 times in the 07 season, at home, vs the Bears in October on primetime, both in the first half, back to back possessions in the red zone.

It kept the score from being about 35-7 to only like 21-10 or something, and then we lost in the 2nd half. One of our 3 losses that season.

I like him, but he's had bad moments in Bears games since entering the league. More evidence of the Bears luck. (No really, they teach a special way of stripping the football that no other team does).

[GB12]

Originally Posted by PACKmanN

I remember 2 fumbles in the Bears game in 09; I have a problem with his hands when the weather turns cold. He could be a very good wideout for a team that plays somewhere warm and he doesn't have to worry about catching wet balls.

That was 2007, his rookie year, the first week of October. Every WR is going to fumble sometimes. Jones had has two seasons with three and two with none. Jordy Nelson has 3 fumbles each of the past two years no one ever brings up his fumbling problems. Jones' might fumble slightly more than the average WR, but it's not that much of a difference.

According to this he had 6 dropped passes, which tied for 24th in the NFL. As I thought, Donald Driver is ahead of him with 7. No one ever gets on Driver for his hands. And I'll definitely put up with 6 drops for the 50 that he caught. Look at the other players on those lists, a lot of notable names. You don't part with a receiver because of a few drops. I don't buy the whole he can't play in cold weather argument either. I couldn't find any stats that break down the drops by each game, but I doubt there's much of a difference between warm and cold.

Both announcers and JSOnline have gotten on him for him being inconsistent, and I do think that's the reason some fans are now thinking that too, but there's not a whole lot to back that up.

Honestly it's completely ridiculous to not care if he's back or not. The only reason he wouldn't be back is if his price gets way too high. Other teams are going to see his value and there will be plenty of suitors. Unless his market price is extremely unreasonable he needs to be brought back.

Originally Posted by cvv84

Being healthy doesn't matter? Keep repeating yourself.

No, their past injury history doesn't matter. Going forward Hawk is just as likely to have a season ending injury as Barnett is. I've already explained that. I shouldn't have to keep repeating myself, but apparently I do.

[bigboiajhawk]

Gotta have Jones back next year, love the guy. Guaranteed he would flourish as a number one in a lot of offenses. Same with Kuhn, gotta keep him. TT could probably afford to get rid of Korey Hall, I like him, but he is hurt quite a bit, and he is not nearly as dynamic as Kuhn or as massive as Quinn.

Cullen Jenkins is a beast but I am just not sure if TT keeps him, I hope he does but I feel that with Neal coming back and Wilson getting some reps and maybe adding another young guy in the draft, the Pack could probably go without Cullen.

I really hope Johnny Jolly has kept himself in shape, I would like to see the Pack give him a second chance. I think a year away from football should be enough to keep him from drinkin that purple drank....I hope... I think an in shape Jolly would make a lot of people forget about Cullen.

[PACKmanN]

I wouldn't dump Cullen for a 50/50 Jolly, Neal, and Wilson. Cullen was our best d-linemen before the injury. Raji stepped up, but there is no replace Cullen.

[Boston]

Originally Posted by PACKmanN

I wouldn't dump Cullen for a 50/50 Jolly, Neal, and Wilson. Cullen was our best d-linemen before the injury. Raji stepped up, but there is no replace Cullen.

Raji has grown into his potential, which is much more then simply "stepping up."

[BloodBrother]

Originally Posted by GB12

Both announcers and JSOnline have gotten on him for him being inconsistent, and I do think that's the reason some fans are now thinking that too, but there's not a whole lot to back that up.

Honestly it's completely ridiculous to not care if he's back or not. The only reason he wouldn't be back is if his price gets way too high. Other teams are going to see his value and there will be plenty of suitors. Unless his market price is extremely unreasonable he needs to be brought back.

I'm not basing my thoughts based on JSOnline, etc. Something about Jones just doesn't sit right with me. He obviously has the talent but it's like he doesn't show up on certain plays, etc, as if he's not giving 100%. I assume with a bigger role(replacing DD) he could step up and blossom. As far as letting him go or bring him back, I'm more apathetic to it. Obviously, if he agrees to return on a very reasonable deal, I'd be for it. I just think he's probably the 5th or 6th priority as far as impending FA's go on this club. They already locked up the top priority in Tramon. JEnkins would be next. I don't expect them to bring Bigby or Colledge back. I think they will re-sign Jackson to

[J-Mike88]

I'm old enough to remember Sterling Sharpe and his whole Packer career.
He had a bad problem with drops early in his career.
But because he was the starter and the #1-guy, and a great receiver, he got a ton of balls and put up big numbers... and eventually cut down on his drops.

Gruden and some others compared Jones to Sharpe when we drafted him.

I hope, and believe, that if Jones were to get more passes his way, he'd cut down on his drops..... actually his drops aren't that much of a problem to me. It's the 3 huge fumbles in Bears games that have killed us. Two games. That's concentration, as Tiki Barber and Adrian Peterson showed. They learned to cut down on their cough ups.

Jones still refuses to carry the ball in the correct arm.

[cvv84]

Originally Posted by GB12

No, their past injury history doesn't matter. Going forward Hawk is just as likely to have a season ending injury as Barnett is. I've already explained that. I shouldn't have to keep repeating myself, but apparently I do.

Maybe to you. I don't care if they're fluke injuries or whatever. Injuries are injuries.

[Boston]

Originally Posted by cvv84

Maybe to you. I don't care if they're fluke injuries or whatever. Injuries are injuries.

You're not understanding this concept at all are you...you're evaluating a players present talent based upon his past injuries, ones which we have already established as being irrelevant going forward.

[J-Mike88]

I can't interpret the argument you guys are having there back and forth, but I have to say some guys just for some reason, seem to get hurt a lot, while some guys, like Emmitt Smith, Marcus Allen, AJ Hawk, Kevin Williams, somehow seem to avoid injuries.

Will Blackmon, Atari Bigby, Cullen Jenkins.... those guys always are hurt one way or another. Nick Barnett has been too the past 3 years.

Now, it must be pointed out that Charles Woodson was as injury-prone as anyone when the Raiders let him leave in 2006, and I feel we have been A) luck as hell with him staying available and B) fans have totally taken that fact for granted.

So Charles has shown that a once-injury prone guy can turn it around and stay healthier, even as he's gotten old.
But that's pretty rare, and so is Charles as a talent.

[Sportsfan486]

It's 90% luck. Barring guys who keep reinjuring the same way, it's kind of just luck of the draw. Obviously certain positions put certain areas of the body in more risk, but player to player it's mainly who lucks out.

[Zycho32]

But seriously, which 2 out of the 3 in question are the most talented?

[Morton]

I think that proper technique is a non-trivial factor influencing whether guys are injury-prone or not.

I've watched some linebackers play sloppy and take poor angles, which led to concussions or sprains or dislocated shoulders. They're otherwise solid players, but for whatever reason, they take risky angles during tackles.

Some players just have a knack, or an instinct, for taking exactly the right angle during a tackle (LB) or during a run (RB) to minimize the stress on the body. AJ Hawk is probably one of those guys.

[J-Mike88]

Wow, very sad... the Lions and Vikings boards have had more and recent discussion today than we have.
Draft > Playoffs?

Anyway, here's McCarthy's press conference from today. I like what he's saying, to be honest. I hope it has an effect.

http://packersinsider.com/?p=2895

[Sportsfan486]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Wow, very sad... the Lions and Vikings boards have had more and recent discussion today than we have.
Draft > Playoffs?

Anyway, here's McCarthy's press conference from today. I like what he's saying, to be honest. I hope it has an effect.

http://packersinsider.com/?p=2895

Not much else to talk about. Time for us to put up or shut up. :( RODGERS PLZ DON'T BE ONE OF THOSE QBS WHO DOESN'T WIN PLAYOFF GAMES.

[J-Mike88]

Mike McCarthy:

"Yes, we elected our playoff captains. It’s a tradition here in Green Bay. On offense, Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings were elected. This is clearly from the other players in the locker room. On defense, it’s Charles Woodson and A.J. Hawk, and on special teams Mason Crosby and Jarrett Bush.

I think it’s a tremendous honor. I know for A.J. and Greg Jennings and Jarrett Bush, this is their first time. They will wear the ‘C’ in the Philadelphia Eagles game, and they will also participate in the coin toss. We have the tradition of having weekly captains, but this is something that’s voted on by the team, and it shows a lot of respect and I know every individual is proud of it."

[BloodBrother]

Bush has definitely improved over the years. Probably won't become a solid CB, but he has really been great on ST.

[Sportsfan486]

Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Bush has definitely improved over the years. Probably won't become a solid CB, but he has really been great on ST.

I threw up a little bit. He has become a great gunner, though.

[jsa230]

i used to hate bush much more than i do now. I mean all the blown coverages/screw ups are hard to forget but the mistakes havent happened as much this season. Its nice to know Bush has the respect of his peers, but im s0o glad we found shields.

[cvv84]

Originally Posted by Boston

You're not understanding this concept at all are you...you're evaluating a players present talent based upon his past injuries, ones which we have already established as being irrelevant going forward.

No, I actually know what he's saying and I don't agree with him. Do you not understand that concept either?

Originally Posted by BloodBrother

Bush has definitely improved over the years. Probably won't become a solid CB, but he has really been great on ST.

Amazing what happens when you leave a player at one position. Lets hope they keep that going with the offensive line.