Green Bay Packers Discussion - Page 667

cvv84 · 02-13-2011, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by umphrey

Yeah, interior linebackers are not a hot commodity by any means these days. Anyone remember what Jonathan Vilma went for? I think it was like a 4th.

A 4th plus a conditional pick which ended up being a 3rd. Vilma was also coming off a knee injury which alot of people thought was career ending

Vilma was 26 when he was traded whereas Barnett is will be 30 years old.

Reguardless though I don't see Barnett returning to Green Bay. The coaches are always talking about 'being available' and Barnett simply hasn't been 2 of the past 3 seasons.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? · 02-13-2011, 09:09 AM

Hey 49er fan dropping by. What is the scouting the report on Matt Flynn? Do you feel he can start in this league and what would SF have to give up to acquire him? Thanks.

PACKmanN · 02-13-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?

Hey 49er fan dropping by. What is the scouting the report on Matt Flynn? Do you feel he can start in this league and what would SF have to give up to acquire him? Thanks.

i think he's a type of qb that needs talent around him to win, not the type that builds up the talent around him. Maybe a 3rd or 4th+5th gets the deal done. I doubt the Packers would ask for a lot.

cvv84 · 02-13-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?

Hey 49er fan dropping by. What is the scouting the report on Matt Flynn? Do you feel he can start in this league and what would SF have to give up to acquire him? Thanks.

Flynn is your typical west coast offense QB. He doesn't have elite arm that can stretch the field but he can make most of the throws needed to be a starting QB. A big asset is his above average mobility.

I don't feel like he's going to be any teams long term solution at QB but I do think he could be a nice stop gap in a search and development of a franchise signal caller. However, a team like the 49ers would be an ideal fit for him with their offenisve line, running game, and have 2 targets like Davis and Crabtree already in place.

I think a 3rd-5th round pick this year with a conditional pick in 2012 would be a fair starting point.

TitleTown088 · 02-13-2011, 03:09 PM

Flynn's worth to the Packers as a capable backup is much more than a 5th round draft pick.

He's a young QB with a promising upside. I honestly wouldn't let him go for anything less than a 3rd + a 5th. And I doubt a guy who recently spent a 2nd rounder on a young backup QB (Brohm) would either.

Kind of cool- Capers playbook from the Panthers:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/47628592/9...86jpe9nvijgwen

J-Mike88 · 02-13-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

i think he's a type of qb that needs talent around him to win, not the type that builds up the talent around him. Maybe a 3rd or 4th+5th gets the deal done. I doubt the Packers would ask for a lot.

I don't think Flynn has any leverage whatsoever, especially with guys like McNabb, Vince Young, Bulger, maybe Carson Palmer available.

Plus Ted and Mike do not want to trade him. The kid knows our system and as we saw in New England, he appears ready to keep the offense moving pretty well if Rodgers gets hurt again.... hopefully nothing but still, just in case.

If I was in Ted's shoes, I would not trade him unless someone made a very generous offer.

Mr.Regular · 02-13-2011, 07:18 PM

Keep Flynn this off-season, draft a later round guy at QB this year, and if the rookie shows promise, try and trade Flynn next off-season. I think he could easily get a 3rd + 4th, or something similar to that.

GB12 · 02-13-2011, 07:22 PM

If we could get a third rounder I'd take it no question. Maybe even a 4th. Flynn is under contract for one more year. After that he's leaving. One year of a backup QB is not worth more than the draft picks, especially when we have Thompson drafting.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Regular

Keep Flynn this off-season, draft a later round guy at QB this year, and if the rookie shows promise, try and trade Flynn next off-season. I think he could easily get a 3rd + 4th, or something similar to that.

Can't do that. He only has one more year, and there's no way he'd sign an extension. It's trade him this year or let him walk for nothing next year. I'd definitely take what I could get for him.

WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo? · 02-13-2011, 09:51 PM

Saw an article that Don Pompei thinks he could be traded for as high as a 2nd.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-8249.html
Most I would like to see SF part for him is a 4th. Thanks for the input.

TitleTown088 · 02-13-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

I don't think Flynn has any leverage whatsoever, especially with guys like McNabb, Vince Young, Bulger, maybe Carson Palmer available.
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Well, you see the thing is, all of those guys are either old or suck. Flynn is young with upside.

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Originally Posted by WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?

Saw an article that Don Pompei thinks he could be traded for as high as a 2nd.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-8249.html
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I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a team give up that much for him ( I wouldn't count on it either). He's a QB.

Sportsfan486 · 02-14-2011, 12:22 AM

Anything less then a 3rd rounder would be shocking. He's one of a very select few QBs who are available and have the potential to be a multi-year starter. Not likely, in my opinion, but the potential is plenty.

I'd expect we'll trade him and get a 3rd, maybe with escalators to a 2nd.

umphrey · 02-14-2011, 03:36 PM

Flynn should be worth a second, for sure.

Crosby is a must keep because there aren't other options and I don't want our special teams to suffer any worse. Anyone really want to go through another year or two of Jeremy Kapinos quality kicker play? He's not going to be expensive. Here are our options as I see it:
1) Sign Crosby
2) Sign a similar free agent kicker for the same price, if there even is one available
3) Use a draft pick on a kicker, take him 1-2 rounds higher than market value because we handcuffed ourselves into needing one, and hope he doesn't suck

Crosby hasn't been great but he has to kick in GB which lowers his percentage. He has a leg and it's a small investment to avoid a possible debacle at the position, so that is why it is a must sign to me.

J-Mike88 · 02-14-2011, 09:47 PM

I wonder how much faith they have in Graham Harrell being able to be a short-term stop gap?

Remember, we lost the 2 games that Rodgers couldn't finish anyway last year.

But Flynn played well enough in the NE game for us to have beaten almost anyone else that night, and you'd expect him to be even better.

Tough call here..... he wants to go elsewhere and get a chance to play, and he'd also like more money than a last-round pick.
We'd like to keep him as backup as long as possible.
But we don't want to lose him next year for nothing.

What team out there, maybe AZ, would trade a good pick for him when they can draft a more talented one they think they can develop? I don't see it happening. Miami saw what he did in New England..... they hate NE..... they should deal for him.

Sportsfan486 · 02-14-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88

What team out there, maybe AZ, would trade a good pick for him when they can draft a more talented one they think they can develop? I don't see it happening. Miami saw what he did in New England..... they hate NE..... they should deal for him.

Thing is, QBs bust all the time. Would a team rather take a possibly higher ceiling but far more likely to utterly fail rookie or trade for a lower upside but probably serviceable at worst guy for less price?

TimmG6376 · 02-15-2011, 02:04 PM

If Flynn is moved the guy I'd like to see brought it to go to QB school is Tolzien. I'd like to see what McCarthy and Clements can do with him. He didn't get a lot of attempts coming from a heavily run-based offense but he seemed to make the most of the attempts he got.

Strong enough arm
Fairly mobile
Good decision making
Smart

I think with a couple seasons of McCarthy's QB school he could at very least be a dependable backup to Rodgers.

cvv84 · 02-15-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TimmG6376

If Flynn is moved the guy I'd like to see brought it to go to QB school is Tolzien. I'd like to see what McCarthy and Clements can do with him. He didn't get a lot of attempts coming from a heavily run-based offense but he seemed to make the most of the attempts he got.

Strong enough arm
Fairly mobile
Good decision making
Smart

I think with a couple seasons of McCarthy's QB school he could at very least be a dependable backup to Rodgers.

Not enough for the NFL level if you ask me. Being smart and being football smart are also 2 very different things. I just don't see him being able to master, let alone run, an NFL offense. We already have a simular player in Grahm Harrell as well.

EvilMonkey · 02-15-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TimmG6376

If Flynn is moved the guy I'd like to see brought it to go to QB school is Tolzien. I'd like to see what McCarthy and Clements can do with him. He didn't get a lot of attempts coming from a heavily run-based offense but he seemed to make the most of the attempts he got.

Strong enough arm
Fairly mobile
Good decision making
Smart

I think with a couple seasons of McCarthy's QB school he could at very least be a dependable backup to Rodgers.

agree with the previous poster about arm strength. Also, when has he ever showed mobility?

Favre4ever · 02-15-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cvv84

Not enough for the NFL level if you ask me. Being smart and being football smart are also 2 very different things. I just don't see him being able to master, let alone run, an NFL offense. We already have a simular player in Grahm Harrell as well.

Harrell is actually a better passer and has better pocket presence. He will surprise a lot of people. Thats why i wouldnt be surprised to Flynn gone for a pick whatever it may be. However Flynn as tons of intangibles that makes him attractive to other teams.

GB12 · 02-15-2011, 11:37 PM

I don't like Graham Harrell at all. Whether Flynn is gone or not I hope we try someone new instead of Harrell.

Also, McCarthy got a contract extension through 2015.

Boston · 02-16-2011, 02:47 AM

I respect Scott, but the Packers taking a CB in the first round is ******* ********.

senormysterioso · 02-16-2011, 08:51 AM

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I respect Scott, but the Packers taking a CB in the first round is ******* ********.

It's definitely not out of the question. The spots we could use some depth at are across the o-line, olb, cb (depending on free agency) wr, d-line. The best player available at those spots will dictate which direction we go.

TimmG6376 · 02-16-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilMonkey

agree with the previous poster about arm strength. Also, when has he ever showed mobility?

He's no Cam Newton or even probably Rodgers in terms of mobility but he can move around to buy time and pickup a first down here an there. Not a statue by any means.

His arm seems to be fine in the short to intermediate area. Deep ball needs some work. Sometimes doesn't throw with his feet set properly, which might account for some of that inaccuracy on the deep ball.

He is a 7th round/UDFA guy no doubt. Will need to add weight and get stronger to make it in the NFL, but there is something I like about him. Was an underdog to even start at UW and is now one the best Badger QBs ever. Only started two seasons at UW but improved signficantly from 2009 to 2010.

Competitive, tough, hard working, and supposedly a big film study guy.

I think most of his deficiencies he can improve on with coaching and NFL caliber weight training.

Most likely never a starter but I can see him being a quality backup in a couple of years.

PACKmanN · 02-16-2011, 03:35 PM

If Flynn is moved, I wouldn't mind someone like Ponder or Dalton to join the roster via the draft. They're similar to Flynn, but with more upside and much easier to develop.

GB12 · 02-16-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PACKmanN

If Flynn is moved, I wouldn't mind someone like Ponder or Dalton to join the roster via the draft. They're similar to Flynn, but with more upside and much easier to develop.

I definitely do not want to spend higher than a fifth on a backup QB. The one Ted Thompson move I truly hated was drafting Brohm in the second. Even if he hadn't busted that would have been a terrible move. Say we get a third for Flynn. That's a nice gain since we took him in the seventh. If we trade off a second or third round QB the net gain is going to be lower. It's high risk low reward. No thanks. I'd rather try to find another Matt Flynn late in the draft.

EvilMonkey · 02-16-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston

I respect Scott, but the Packers taking a CB in the first round is ******* ********.

not really. TT takes best player available, so position doesnt really matter for us. Obviously there are positions we as fans would like the team to address early, but TT will take who he likes, regardless of position.