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Old 03-15-2014, 02:55 PM    (permalink
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I still haven't seen any word on Finley being cleared. I'm starting to wonder if he won't be. The Seahawks signed McCoy and restructured Miller and with Luke Wilson that should remove their Finley interest. Did he fail their physical? Or maybe wanted too much money? If he is medically cleared maybe he will end up back with us.
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I don't like the comparison of the Peppers signing to when we signed Woodson. Woodson was 29 at the time we brought him in and still in the prime of his career. Peppers is easily in the twilight of his career and anything we get from him as an imposing pass rusher will be a bonus. I think we need to make sure not to get overexcited or set our expectations too high because we're not getting the Julius Peppers of old; we're getting an old Julius Peppers.
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I still haven't seen any word on Finley being cleared. I'm starting to wonder if he won't be. The Seahawks signed McCoy and restructured Miller and with Luke Wilson that should remove their Finley interest. Did he fail their physical? Or maybe wanted too much money? If he is medically cleared maybe he will end up back with us.
If Seattle, with all their love for Finley, doesn't sign him, that'll speak volumes as to where he is physically.
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I don't like the comparison of the Peppers signing to when we signed Woodson. Woodson was 29 at the time we brought him in and still in the prime of his career. Peppers is easily in the twilight of his career and anything we get from him as an imposing pass rusher will be a bonus. I think we need to make sure not to get overexcited or set our expectations too high because we're not getting the Julius Peppers of old; we're getting an old Julius Peppers.
I definitely agree with this. I find it a puzzling move if we're really going to give him more than 50% of the snaps.

But if we're bringing him in with the understanding that he's going to be a situational weapon then he could shine. If he's able to give us 7-10 sacks from a situational role, that'd be great.
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I don't like the comparison of the Peppers signing to when we signed Woodson. Woodson was 29 at the time we brought him in and still in the prime of his career. Peppers is easily in the twilight of his career and anything we get from him as an imposing pass rusher will be a bonus. I think we need to make sure not to get overexcited or set our expectations too high because we're not getting the Julius Peppers of old; we're getting an old Julius Peppers.
I understand but honestly I am not a big fan of the move. I get why they did it but I think we could have made a similar move that would have made a far bigger splash. My comment regarding Woodson is that I do hope Peppers comes in and dominates like he did. Granted the situation is different but I can't imagine any of us wouldn't want that.
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I think its a good signing..especially with the way it is set up money wise. I think he will be a very effective 5 tech.. I think his athleticism allows him to play the run and he even though he has lost a step or 2 in the past few years he's still a feared playmaker which will only help clay and take away from his attention. Until now nobody has done that, big year for clay coming up. Write that down.
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I don't like the comparison of the Peppers signing to when we signed Woodson. Woodson was 29 at the time we brought him in and still in the prime of his career. Peppers is easily in the twilight of his career and anything we get from him as an imposing pass rusher will be a bonus. I think we need to make sure not to get overexcited or set our expectations too high because we're not getting the Julius Peppers of old; we're getting an old Julius Peppers.
You need to stop being such a negative Nancy ;), this is going to be fun to watch.
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I'm glad that signing Peppers, Neal and Raji back should reduce our need to draft a DLineman early.

That really leaves Safety, ILB and TE as our glaring early needs.

As for the two 3rd round picks, it's speculated that we'll receive a comp 3rd for Jennings. It might be a 4th. Either way, we have a selection of early round picks.

If we can get Mosley or Haha in the first, Bailey, Bucannon or Borland in the second, and Fiedoriwicz or Niklas in the third I think we'll be in really solid shape.

Haha, Borland, Fiedorwicz is probably my dream draft.
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If we can get Mosley or Haha in the first, Bailey, Bucannon or Borland in the second, and Fiedoriwicz or Niklas in the third I think we'll be in really solid shape.

Haha, Borland, Fiedorwicz is probably my dream draft.
Saw a mock this week on CNNSI with Borland late round ONE.
But I love your 3 targets.
Ha-ha, Borland, Niklas would make me as happy as a kid in a candy store on a free shopping spree.
That's the perfect trio right there.
Or maybe Pryor over HaHa because he's more physical, which we need.
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I like re-signing Raji and Neal and especially Shields. Keeping Quarless is good. I don't think TT over-paid for a 32 year old Julius Peppers. He's versatile, and hoepfully between Clay and Perry and a revamped line with Worthy and Daniels in there to put pressure on the QB, he'll be schemed to take advantage of what he does well. He didn't have a great year last year but still had as many sacks as Clay and more than anyone else. More pressure up front = more effective secondary in the back.
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I like re-signing Raji and Neal and especially Shields. Keeping Quarless is good. I don't think TT over-paid for a 32 year old Julius Peppers. He's versatile, and hoepfully between Clay and Perry and a revamped line with Worthy and Daniels in there to put pressure on the QB, he'll be schemed to take advantage of what he does well. He didn't have a great year last year but still had as many sacks as Clay and more than anyone else. More pressure up front = more effective secondary in the back.
Definitely didn't overpay for a 32 year old Peppers. A 34 year old peppers on the other hand..
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Yeah, he's 34. For a D End that's grandfatherly.
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Reggie White was almost 32 when he signed with the Packers in April of 1993. He signed a 4-year deal.

It wasn't until that 4th season with him that the Packers made/won that Super Bowl.

He played 2 more with the Packers.

Peppers at age 34 has a few more good years left. He's not suffered ACL or any significant injuries that have taken a toll on him.
He's still athletic. Sure, like White, he's past his "prime", but he still has some greatness left. I just hope it comes out most in January when we need it most.
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Reggie White was almost 32 when he signed with the Packers in April of 1993. He signed a 4-year deal.

It wasn't until that 4th season with him that the Packers made/won that Super Bowl.

He played 2 more with the Packers.

Peppers at age 34 has a few more good years left. He's not suffered ACL or any significant injuries that have taken a toll on him.
He's still athletic. Sure, like White, he's past his "prime", but he still has some greatness left. I just hope it comes out most in January when we need it most.
I appreciate the optimism, but there's quite the gap between Reggie White and Julius Peppers. Just because Reggie dominated well into his 30s, it doesn't mean counting on a 34-year-old Peppers is necessarily a safe choice. I like the deal because he could still be a useful piece for our defense with little long-term risk, but let's not act like he's a franchise changing player.
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I appreciate the optimism, but there's quite the gap between Reggie White and Julius Peppers. Just because Reggie dominated well into his 30s, it doesn't mean counting on a 34-year-old Peppers is necessarily a safe choice. I like the deal because he could still be a useful piece for our defense with little long-term risk, but let's not act like he's a franchise changing player.
We don't need a franchise-changer.
We just need a guy who makes big plays, and I think Peppers can and will do that, at least for this season and I would expect a few others.

He's fresh and has been injury-free.

Some guys at age 29, they're "older" than he is because they've had tons of injuries. Peppers has not. I think he's closer to 30 than 35 physically.
Guy has not missed a game in many years.
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We don't need a franchise-changer.
We just need a guy who makes big plays, and I think Peppers can and will do that, at least for this season and I would expect a few others.

He's fresh and has been injury-free.

Some guys at age 29, they're "older" than he is because they've had tons of injuries. Peppers has not. I think he's closer to 30 than 35 physically.
Guy has not missed a game in many years.
My point is mainly that Reggie White is not a good parallel. Most players, even when they're healthy, stop being effective around this point.
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If he can give us a little stout run stoppage and an extra push in the pass rush it's a good signing. Now whether it's 8-10 million per season good is another question.
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The interesting thing to me is that all of Peppers sacks last year came in the first half of games and he graded out very well in first halves.

I feel like the Bears were overusing him which might be perfect for our situation. If he gives us a few Peppers type plays each game it will have been worth it.
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The interesting thing to me is that all of Peppers sacks last year came in the first half of games and he graded out very well in first halves.

I feel like the Bears were overusing him which might be perfect for our situation. If he gives us a few Peppers type plays each game it will have been worth it.
Absolutely.

Think about this: How many fricking times does our defense give up 3rd down conversions?
We can't get off the field.... time and time again, starting with that first half vs Eli and the Giants in that 2011 playoff shocking loss.
And continuing to the 2012 and 2013 seasonal endings to Kaepernick.
Well 2012 they just ran thru us, but this past season, we contained them well, just allowed too many 3rd down conversions. Or 4th down.

Peppers will help in those obvious 3rd down passing situations.
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The interesting thing to me is that all of Peppers sacks last year came in the first half of games and he graded out very well in first halves.

I feel like the Bears were overusing him which might be perfect for our situation. If he gives us a few Peppers type plays each game it will have been worth it.
Absolutely.

Think about this: How many fricking times does our defense give up 3rd down conversions?
We can't get off the field.... time and time again, starting with that first half vs Eli and the Giants in that 2011 playoff shocking loss.
And continuing to the 2012 and 2013 seasonal endings to Kaepernick.
Well 2012 they just ran thru us, but this past season, we contained them well, just allowed too many 3rd down conversions. Or 4th down.

Peppers will help in those obvious 3rd down passing situations.
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True. And when Clay was out the opposing QB had all day to throw the ball, look for a spot to scramble. The pass rush was lacking, to put it mildly.
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Also, maybe Abraham is a good example of the potential upside. He was great for Arizona at 35.
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A couple of bargain free agents worth a look:

Anthony Spencer OLB: Most recently with the Cowboys. Underwent microfracture surgery last year on his knee but was very productive before the injury. A minimum incentive laden contract (per sack, perhaps) might land the Pack a serviceable pass rusher to fill in the mix with Clay, Perry and Neal. Could be a good find on the cheap.

Thomas DeCoud: Most recently of the Falcons. Took a big step back last year but had 6 picks and made the pro bowl in 2012. Another incentive laden deal and if the Pack find themselves thin again at safety DeCoud would be an experienced hand at the position.
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A couple of bargain free agents worth a look:

Anthony Spencer OLB: Most recently with the Cowboys. Underwent microfracture surgery last year on his knee but was very productive before the injury. A minimum incentive laden contract (per sack, perhaps) might land the Pack a serviceable pass rusher to fill in the mix with Clay, Perry and Neal. Could be a good find on the cheap.

Thomas DeCoud: Most recently of the Falcons. Took a big step back last year but had 6 picks and made the pro bowl in 2012. Another incentive laden deal and if the Pack find themselves thin again at safety DeCoud would be an experienced hand at the position.
I definitely agree with you on DeCoud. Not so much on Spencer, for a few reasons.
#1- We might be using Peppers in a stand-up rush spot, similar to Jason Taylor. And if so, with Clay, Neal (who was #2 in QB pressures), and Perry, I feel we're already deep at that position. Plus they still like Mulumba, who's cheap. Whatever happened to Nate Palmer as well?
I think Spencer, no way. And he probably will not be discount cheap anyway.

Our safeties are horrific, and I am all for adding any veteran safety, even DeCoud, as bad as he was last year.
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