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Old 01-27-2007, 05:21 PM    (permalink
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is micheal lewis any good? (from philly) i hear good things from a freind but he happens to bleed green and silver
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is micheal lewis any good? (from philly) i hear good things from a freind but he happens to bleed green and silver
He was good a few years back, but he had a real fall-out this year. He lost his starting position and looked terrible when he played.
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is micheal lewis any good? (from philly) i hear good things from a freind but he happens to bleed green and silver
He was good a few years back, but he had a real fall-out this year. He lost his starting position and looked terrible when he played.
well would you guys want us to even look at him?
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Jeff Garcia ftw.
Good one.... i could see him starting if Favre leaves.... Good call :D
That's terrible. Rodgers has been on the bench long enough, he can sit for Brett but no one else. I don't have a problem with bringing a veteran in, but not to start.
my thoughts exactly. Rodgers needs to play. he's not a rookie anymore.
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Good one.... i could see him starting if Favre leaves.... Good call :D
That's terrible. Rodgers has been on the bench long enough, he can sit for Brett but no one else. I don't have a problem with bringing a veteran in, but not to start.
my thoughts exactly. Rodgers needs to play. he's not a rookie anymore.
He still needs to earn the job. If they don't provide real veteran competition for him they're idiots. That's one thing Jerry Angelo didn't figure out untill just this year in bringing in Griese. To just hand a kid a job, 1st round pick or not, sends the wrong message.

Besides, if he majorly bombs, you're going to want someone to at least try and salvage the season.
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Good one.... i could see him starting if Favre leaves.... Good call :D
That's terrible. Rodgers has been on the bench long enough, he can sit for Brett but no one else. I don't have a problem with bringing a veteran in, but not to start.
my thoughts exactly. Rodgers needs to play. he's not a rookie anymore.
He still needs to earn the job. If they don't provide real veteran competition for him they're idiots. That's one thing Jerry Angelo didn't figure out untill just this year in bringing in Griese. To just hand a kid a job, 1st round pick or not, sends the wrong message.

Besides, if he majorly bombs, you're going to want someone to at least try and salvage the season.
Yeah, we should bring one in but there is no way that Garcia or Plummer is going to come. There aren't really many others to bring in. I guess Bledsoe wouldn't be a bad choice. I agree that you don't wan't to hand him the job, but you don't want him to get beat out for it either.
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Leroy Butler and Robert Brooks get in the Hall of Fame http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=558023
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what number does Collins were now? he wore 35 in college maybe that?
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Leroy Butler and Robert Brooks get in the Hall of Fame http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=558023
what number does Collins were now? he wore 35 in college maybe that?
are their numbers going to be retired aswell?
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what number does Collins were now? he wore 35 in college maybe that?
are their numbers going to be retired aswell?
i doubt it
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is micheal lewis any good? (from philly) i hear good things from a freind but he happens to bleed green and silver
He was good a few years back, but he had a real fall-out this year. He lost his starting position and looked terrible when he played.
well would you guys want us to even look at him?
i would like us to take a look at him with him and manuel and collins we would have good safty depth, so if some1 got hurt we could put a vetern in there instead of sum1 like underwood or cuvler that dont have to much experience.
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what number does Collins were now? he wore 35 in college maybe that?
are their numbers going to be retired aswell?
i doubt it
No. They don't retire everyone who gets in's number. Tony Canadeo, Don Hutson, Bart Starr, Ray Nitschke, and Reggie White are the only 5 to have theirs retired.
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is micheal lewis any good? (from philly) i hear good things from a freind but he happens to bleed green and silver
He was good a few years back, but he had a real fall-out this year. He lost his starting position and looked terrible when he played.
well would you guys want us to even look at him?
i would like us to take a look at him with him and manuel and collins we would have good safty depth, so if some1 got hurt we could put a vetern in there instead of sum1 like underwood or cuvler that dont have to much experience.
I don't want to even bother with him. He isn't what he used to be and isn't good in coverage.

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I like the updated pick better. I would like Olsen more, but not a bad choice.

Let me set this whole Manuel thing straight. I find myself having to defend him quite a bit lately.
First off, he is not as bad as us Packer fans make him out to be. We love to bash him, but he is not deserving of all of it. He is in no way a top safety but he can still be a starter. He started out bad but he improved over the season and almost seems as if he was a bit better each week. Yes he blew coverages, but most of those were early in the season and were more communication errors than him getting burned(not saying he never got beat but most were communication). Those are very fixable through practice.

Second reason I'm not a big fan of drafting a safety is Marviel Underwood. He is probably an unknown to most non Packer fans, but I really like the kid. I think he will challenge Manuel to start this year and could end up being the long term solution if he works out right. In his rookie season he did alright in his limited time. He put up 35 tackles and saw at least some time in all 16 games. Then last year I was impressed with him from training camp and preseason. He was fighting a bit for the job then, probably wasn't going to get it but he would see a big increase in playing time and probably even be the nickleback. He got hurt and never played in the regular season so he didn't get a chance.

This wasn't directed at just you as many people (even some Packer fans) don't understand. I really wanted to make a thread about it but there is no way that would fly. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong if they don't agree, but I feel rather strongly about that.
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is micheal lewis any good? (from philly) i hear good things from a freind but he happens to bleed green and silver
He was good a few years back, but he had a real fall-out this year. He lost his starting position and looked terrible when he played.
well would you guys want us to even look at him?
i would like us to take a look at him with him and manuel and collins we would have good safty depth, so if some1 got hurt we could put a vetern in there instead of sum1 like underwood or cuvler that dont have to much experience.
I don't want to even bother with him. He isn't what he used to be and isn't good in coverage.

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I like the updated pick better. I would like Olsen more, but not a bad choice.

Let me set this whole Manuel thing straight. I find myself having to defend him quite a bit lately.
First off, he is not as bad as us Packer fans make him out to be. We love to bash him, but he is not deserving of all of it. He is in no way a top safety but he can still be a starter. He started out bad but he improved over the season and almost seems as if he was a bit better each week. Yes he blew coverages, but most of those were early in the season and were more communication errors than him getting burned(not saying he never got beat but most were communication). Those are very fixable through practice.

Second reason I'm not a big fan of drafting a safety is Marviel Underwood. He is probably an unknown to most non Packer fans, but I really like the kid. I think he will challenge Manuel to start this year and could end up being the long term solution if he works out right. In his rookie season he did alright in his limited time. He put up 35 tackles and saw at least some time in all 16 games. Then last year I was impressed with him from training camp and preseason. He was fighting a bit for the job then, probably wasn't going to get it but he would see a big increase in playing time and probably even be the nickleback. He got hurt and never played in the regular season so he didn't get a chance.

This wasn't directed at just you as many people (even some Packer fans) don't understand. I really wanted to make a thread about it but there is no way that would fly. I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong if they don't agree, but I feel rather strongly about that.
i dont know. everyone is a long term solution if they work out right...i personally dont care much for our safeties save collins
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i dont know. everyone is a long term solution if they work out right...i personally dont care much for our safeties save collins
I know that was worded bad, I was just trying to say that I like him and kind of want to give him a shot to see if he is the solution.
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As for backup QB's, if the Bucs are serious about Jeff Garcia as competition for Chris Simms the Packers should make an offer towards Tim Rattay (this assuming Favre retires of course). Damon Huard will be available as well, but I think Rattay is a better fit for a pure WCO and would provide decent veteran competition for Rogers.
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As for backup QB's, if the Bucs are serious about Jeff Garcia as competition for Chris Simms the Packers should make an offer towards Tim Rattay (this assuming Favre retires of course). Damon Huard will be available as well, but I think Rattay is a better fit for a pure WCO and would provide decent veteran competition for Rogers.
Im not even a huge Aaron Rodgers fan but Id rather start Rodgers than Rattay or Huard. If he is the QB of the future than he needs to get the starts asap.
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i dont know. everyone is a long term solution if they work out right...i personally dont care much for our safeties save collins
I know that was worded bad, I was just trying to say that I like him and kind of want to give him a shot to see if he is the solution.
i gotchya. just not a huge fan of the other safeties.

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LYNCH ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT

California running back Marshawn Lynch, who is widely regarded as one of the top prospects in the 2007 draft, reportedly has been accused of sexual assault and domestic violence.

In a criminal complaint filed on December 19, 2006, a woman claims tha Lynch "choked, slapped sexually assaulted her" on December 13 in Oakland.

Radio station KCBS first reported the complaint, and a full story appears in the Contra Costa Times.

Lynch admits that he was with the woman on the night in question, but denies any criminal wrongdoing. On Friday, a judge awarded the woman a restraining order against Lynch.

At this point, the impact on Lynch's draft stock is unknown. (As several readers have suggested, Lynch suddenly has become very attractive to the Bengals.) And it's way too early to tell whether Lynch will do time.

In 2006, Lynch rushed for 1,356 yards on 223 carries for a 6.1 average gain per carry. For his career, he averaged 6.6 yards per attempt.
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The reason I have confidence in Rodgers is because the WCO is the closest thing to Tedford's system. He can make all the short, intermediate throws, which is the bulk of the WCO. He needs to develop his deep ball, and luckily that is least used play in this system. Even most of Favre's 'big' gains were 10 yard passes that the WRs turned into huge gains.

As for Lynch, it is relevant to note that Ahman Green has had similar problems (domestic abuse). Either way, RB in the first isn't my preference, I'd rather get Okoye, Landry, or trade down for one of the WRs.

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Leroy Butler and Robert Brooks get in the Hall of Fame http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=558023
what number does Collins were now? he wore 35 in college maybe that?
are their numbers going to be retired aswell?
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No. They don't retire everyone who gets in's number. Tony Canadeo, Don Hutson, Bart Starr, Ray Nitschke, and Reggie White are the only 5 to have theirs retired.
Number 4 is already retired.
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i still want Lynch but the problem is i'm not sure if TT does. hopefully this turns out to be nothing but if not, i say he slips to the 2nd and we take him.
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i still want Lynch but the problem is i'm not sure if TT does. hopefully this turns out to be nothing but if not, i say he slips to the 2nd and we take him.
What?! You think that if we pass on him he falls to our second pick. No way that'll happen.
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i still want Lynch but the problem is i'm not sure if TT does. hopefully this turns out to be nothing but if not, i say he slips to the 2nd and we take him.
What?! You think that if we pass on him he falls to our second pick. No way that'll happen.
i know. it's just wishful thinking.
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As for backup QB's, if the Bucs are serious about Jeff Garcia as competition for Chris Simms the Packers should make an offer towards Tim Rattay (this assuming Favre retires of course). Damon Huard will be available as well, but I think Rattay is a better fit for a pure WCO and would provide decent veteran competition for Rogers.
Im not even a huge Aaron Rodgers fan but Id rather start Rodgers than Rattay or Huard. If he is the QB of the future than he needs to get the starts asap.
Understood, but you'll need a veteran insurance policy regardless. If Rogers is a major flop, it would be unwise to give him 16 games to struggle out there, especially considering most Packers fans think they have realistic playoff aspirations, correct or not.
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