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Old 02-14-2008, 11:45 AM    (permalink
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who are your top 3 players you'd like to see as Falcons...if we were starting from scratch. Basically do a mock for this year, based on the thought of having no needs.

1.) Sedrick Ellis - DT
2a.) Carl Nicks - OT
2b.) Philip Wheeler - MLB
3.) Josh Johnson - QB
4.) Jordy Nelson - WR / KR
5.) Johnny Dingle - DE
6.) Jack Ikegwuonu - CB
7.) Art Carmody - K
7b.) Fernando Velasco - OC

So, breaks down like this for me

4 - D
4 - O
1 - ST

Pretty balanced, but also good pieces to build from. I know Jack is injured, I'm not sure he won't go before that, but the kid is a great corner, I think he'd end up being extreme value.
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Jordy Nelson. Ha.
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Depends on what you mean by no needs. No needs as in no players and essentially doing a fantasy draft I take a QB (Matt Ryan) first all day. If by no needs you mean we are set at every position I take Sedrick Ellis, Glenn Dorsey, or Darren McFadden because they would all sub in for starters.
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4th round, kind of player I like to have on my team. Not super flashy, but solid. Good speed, not great. Has that Jerry Rice/Anquan Boldin type speed, not going to have a great 40 but no one can catch him.
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who are your top 3 players you'd like to see as Falcons...if we were starting from scratch. Basically do a mock for this year, based on the thought of having no needs.
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Depends on what you mean by no needs.
Just one of the numerous times you fail to read...now I understand why you argue the way you do.
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1. RB Darren McFadden
2. OT Carl Nicks
2. LB Philip Wheeler
3. CB Brandon Flowers
4. WR Jordy Nelson
4. DE Chris Ellis
5. OT/OG Barry Richardson
6. QB Dennis Dixon
7. S Jaimie Silva
7. depth

But aren't we practically starting over from scratch right now?
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Nice Libid...I thought about Flowers myself, but didn't know where to value him compared to Johnson...but I love that you have Dixon down there in the 6th (a good value spot for him and likely where he'll be drafted) Ellis would be a steal in round 4 too. Really solid, I'd cheer for that team.
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Depends on what you mean by no needs. No needs as in no players and essentially doing a fantasy draft I take a QB (Matt Ryan) first all day. If by no needs you mean we are set at every position I take Sedrick Ellis, Glenn Dorsey, or Darren McFadden because they would all sub in for starters.
Just wondering, bro... but are you always talking about Matt Ryan because he either gave you an autograph or shook your hand or something?
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Just one of the numerous times you fail to read...now I understand why you argue the way you do.
I'm not the person who thinks a 5'5" DT can go in round one.

I'm not the one who said TO had two TDs on DeAngelo Hall because we had put the game away by then. I mean, at least I watch our games.

I'm not the one who, if starting from scratch, would take a cornerback who will not play in his rookie year. I, if starting from scratch, would not take the non-scholarship league football player to start at quarterback. Yes, he would be starting from day one at quarterback because we are starting from scratch.

I am glad I get you so worked up, that you know you lose every arguement. I mean that is the only reason you would try to insult me on every possible occasion.
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Just wondering, bro... but are you always talking about Matt Ryan because he either gave you an autograph or shook your hand or something?
I think me and Shiver might be the only people being realistic. We have Chris Redman, Joey Harrington, and Byron Leftwich at quarterback. Then we have a top five pick with a top ten player at QB on the board. Get real, it is a huge possibility we take him.
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I'm not the numbskull who thinks a 5'5" DT can go in round one. (you are the one however who doesn't read what I wrote, and said if the best football player in the world was a 5'5 DT he'd still go #1 overall moron)

I'm not the one who said TO had two TDs on DeAngelo Hall because we had put the game away by then. I mean, at least I watch our games. (When did I say that? Quote me PLEASE)

I'm not the one who, if starting from scratch, would take a cornerback who will not play in his rookie year. I, if starting from scratch, would not take the non-scholarship league football player to start at quarterback. Yes, he would be starting from day one at quarterback because we are starting from scratch. (Because you don't like the players I do makes me wrong? No, nor is my logic flawed. Simply because I'd draft a player there who can't contribute right away (by the way how many 6th round picks do?) and have vision for the future (a major flaw in ANYTHING you write) doesn't mean I'm stupid.

I am glad I get you so worked up, that you know you lose every arguement. I mean that is the only reason you would try to insult me on every possible occasion. (I just won every one of those. Yay me!)

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A. Lol, it doesn't matter. 5'5" won't go anywhere. Like I said he would be like 250 pounds at best. So unless you believe a 5'5" 250 pound defensive tackle can go top five you are wrong.

The thread is too old, has been deleted. I'm sure you remember the top NFL CBs thread with the arguement over DeAngelo Hall. Someone brought up TO torching him and you said it was because the game was already in our hands. If you say you did not say it then you are a liar.

Wrong, you said from scratch. By default, every player we draft would be needed to have a big role with the team. Ikegonwu would be a wasted pick for a team lacking one starting cornerback.

Josh Johnson played non scholarship competition and weighs like 190-200 pounds. Drafting him to be your one and only quarterback, immediately making him the starter, would be insane.

Saying free agency would be dumb. That would change the whole thread and ruin the purpose of going from scratch.

Continue to insult me, because obviously the only way you feel better about yourself is to do that and continue stupid arguements.
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A. Lol, it doesn't matter. 5'5" won't go anywhere. Like I said he would be like 250 pounds at best. So unless you believe a 5'5" 250 pound defensive tackle can go top five you are wrong.

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The thread is too old, has been deleted. I'm sure you remember the top NFL CBs thread with the arguement over DeAngelo Hall. Someone brought up TO torching him and you said it was because the game was already in our hands. If you say you did not say it then you are a liar.

Not hardly

Wrong, you said from scratch. By default, every player we draft would be needed to have a big role with the team. Ikegonwu would be a wasted pick for a team lacking one starting cornerback.

Not true...you think a football team can be built from 7 players?

Josh Johnson played non scholarship competition and weighs like 190-200 pounds. Drafting him to be your one and only quarterback, immediately making him the starter, would be insane.

Yeah, cause he's added 30 pounds in a year...means he couldn't possibly get any larger.

Saying free agency would be dumb. That would change the whole thread and ruin the purpose of going from scratch.

Wrong

Continue to insult me, because obviously the only way you feel better about yourself is to do that and continue stupid arguements.
I don't have to insult you, I just point out what you're saying. You're the one saying it, I'm just revealing it...
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Yawn. It doesn't matter it's the draft. Tell me when a 250 pound DT is even looked at as a prospect. Horrible arguement, you lose.

Then you are a liar.

You said from scratch, you said nothing about free agency. These are the players who our team will start out with is what the thread was about. You didn't say we are an expansion team, blah blah blah. The conversation was about who to draft from scratch. Also, free agency for an expansion team would need to come mostly pre-draft to show needs. If you have needs you are not starting from scratch. That would make you wrong. Either you are starting from scratch (meaning you have 0 players) or you are an expansion team (free agency has occured, needs are there and it is no longer from scratch).
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4th round, kind of player I like to have on my team. Not super flashy, but solid. Good speed, not great. Has that Jerry Rice/Anquan Boldin type speed, not going to have a great 40 but no one can catch him.

I acutally think most of the CB's in the NFL can catch him.
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Holy **** guys. Argue in one ******* thread or by PM. Dont make everyone else on the board listen to you guys argue about the same thing on every single thread.
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I second that...
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Holy **** guys. Argue in one ******* thread or by PM. Dont make everyone else on the board listen to you guys argue about the same thing on every single thread.
Sorry...I keep getting caught up in this childish stuff cause I just hate to see someone so obviously wrong feel like they are right, is there an ignore feature on this board?
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I think me and Shiver might be the only people being realistic. We have Chris Redman, Joey Harrington, and Byron Leftwich at quarterback. Then we have a top five pick with a top ten player at QB on the board. Get real, it is a huge possibility we take him. Stop being stupid.
Hey, I've been on the realism bandwagon for a while too...
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Just to put my 2cent in, wasn't Joey Harrington a top 5 pick coming out as well? Why not strengthen everything else up in the draft and not waste an early pick on a position that contributes to the highest bust rate in the league? That way it somewhat becomes QB friendly, see Pittsburgh a la Ben Rothli- something.
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Thats what I want. I want to build the offense around our future franchise QB. Get a good OL, and a decent TE and running game and then get the franchise QB. Kind of like what happened in Cleveland.
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Just to put my 2cent in, wasn't Joey Harrington a top 5 pick coming out as well? Why not strengthen everything else up in the draft and not waste an early pick on a position that contributes to the highest bust rate in the league? That way it somewhat becomes QB friendly, see Pittsburgh a la Ben Rothli- something.
Yes, but so were most successful QBs. The second round bust rate is ever greater- a three percent success rate.
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4th round, kind of player I like to have on my team. Not super flashy, but solid. Good speed, not great. Has that Jerry Rice/Anquan Boldin type speed, not going to have a great 40 but no one can catch him.
Ur wrong, hes gonna have a great forty.
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