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Old 02-16-2008, 09:12 AM    (permalink
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Walsh has tapes here is the link http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns
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If he has the tapes I would love to see them.
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I would like to see them. I dont think anything major other than some people being suspended will go down. But yea I would like to see what kind of stuff they get from the videos
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Let's just think of it like this: if this Matt Walsh guy really did tape the Rams practice before the Super Bowl, and subsequently got fired from the Patriots after that very game, do you think there is any chance they even knew about it? And if they did, what do you think the probability that a tape like that ever leaves their possession would be? My money is on less then .001%.

Furthermore, the guy is asking for total indemnity in order to talk, meaning that he wants the NFL to protect him from potential litigation if he says something, and the NFL is willing to offer him that with one simple rule: he tells the truth.

That's not good enough for him.

So see, something is not adding up here. The Patriots won't so much as smile if it gives away a hint about what they are doing/scheming/game-planning and they have a coach that gives you nothing. Do you mean to tell me that a tape like this has been out there for what, six, seven years and they didn't know and haven't done something about it? I don't buy it.

And why would he come out with it now? Out of the blue. They played in two Super Bowls before this one and the story was huge FIVE months ago. Why now?

I just don't buy it.
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Let's just think of it like this: if this Matt Walsh guy really did tape the Rams practice before the Super Bowl, and subsequently got fired from the Patriots after that very game, do you think there is any chance they even knew about it? And if they did, what do you think the probability that a tape like that ever leaves their possession would be? My money is on less then .001%.

Furthermore, the guy is asking for total indemnity in order to talk, meaning that he wants the NFL to protect him from potential litigation if he says something, and the NFL is willing to offer him that with one simple rule: he tells the truth.

That's not good enough for him.

So see, something is not adding up here. The Patriots won't so much as smile if it gives away a hint about what they are doing/scheming/game-planning and they have a coach that gives you nothing. Do you mean to tell me that a tape like this has been out there for what, six, seven years and they didn't know and haven't done something about it? I don't buy it.

And why would he come out with it now? Out of the blue. They played in two Super Bowls before this one and the story was huge FIVE months ago. Why now?

I just don't buy it.
That is a great point I dont undersatand why it would just now come out myself. I think all this stuff just needs to be let go.
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Let's just think of it like this: if this Matt Walsh guy really did tape the Rams practice before the Super Bowl, and subsequently got fired from the Patriots after that very game, do you think there is any chance they even knew about it? And if they did, what do you think the probability that a tape like that ever leaves their possession would be? My money is on less then .001%.

Furthermore, the guy is asking for total indemnity in order to talk, meaning that he wants the NFL to protect him from potential litigation if he says something, and the NFL is willing to offer him that with one simple rule: he tells the truth.

That's not good enough for him.

So see, something is not adding up here. The Patriots won't so much as smile if it gives away a hint about what they are doing/scheming/game-planning and they have a coach that gives you nothing. Do you mean to tell me that a tape like this has been out there for what, six, seven years and they didn't know and haven't done something about it? I don't buy it.

And why would he come out with it now? Out of the blue. They played in two Super Bowls before this one and the story was huge FIVE months ago. Why now?

I just don't buy it.
I'm sick of you trying to constantly defend your classless, cheating patriots. I've read every single post in every thread involving the Patriots cheating, and all you've managed to say is "I don't buy it" and try to compile some random legal evidence to defend them. Give it up man, the Pats have been doing this for years and whether it is considered "cheating" or whatever, is irrelevant because when it comes down to it, it's just down right classless and immoral. The whole reason in my eyes, why the steroids issue with Bonds and Clemens is such a big deal, is because they were great players before but decided to rub everyone's faces in it by cheating to get EVER BETTER. Seems to me like that's a lot like what the Patriots are doing. Whether they're found guilty or not doesn't matter to me anymore, the fact that they've been mentioned in cheating scandals not once, not twice, but on FOUR DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, means somethings up....3 different sources are not going to make the same story up 4 different times (Jets, Rams, and Steelers twice considering it was two separate instances they were alleged to be filming).

So stop being a homer and admit that you root for an amazing team that loves to rub people faces in the dirt and cheats.
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Maybe he just copied the tapes? It seems like a prudent thing to do.
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Whoooooo.. I thought you meant Bill Walsh(RIP), I was having a out of body experiance.
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wow, how about a Thread: Patriots vs the Rest and post all that stuff
im getting kinda sick with all these new threads every day. Its a big deal?yes, but just keep a ticker pls, its all kinda getting messy on this board
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the significant aspect of this is Matt Walsh will be called to testify and so the fact that the Patriots reffuse to give him indemnity will be moot becuase he will be fully protected on the stand. This is going to snowball big time. I wouldnt be surprised if at the end they will be stripped of at least one superbowl. who knows maybe they'll be forced to change their name to the New England Asteriks
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I'm sick of you trying to constantly defend your classless, cheating patriots. I've read every single post in every thread involving the Patriots cheating, and all you've managed to say is "I don't buy it" and try to compile some random legal evidence to defend them. Give it up man, the Pats have been doing this for years and whether it is considered "cheating" or whatever, is irrelevant because when it comes down to it, it's just down right classless and immoral. The whole reason in my eyes, why the steroids issue with Bonds and Clemens is such a big deal, is because they were great players before but decided to rub everyone's faces in it by cheating to get EVER BETTER. Seems to me like that's a lot like what the Patriots are doing. Whether they're found guilty or not doesn't matter to me anymore, the fact that they've been mentioned in cheating scandals not once, not twice, but on FOUR DIFFERENT OCCASIONS, means somethings up....3 different sources are not going to make the same story up 4 different times (Jets, Rams, and Steelers twice considering it was two separate instances they were alleged to be filming).

So stop being a homer and admit that you root for an amazing team that loves to rub people faces in the dirt and cheats.
Explain to me why it took the fourth occasion for one of the two commishioners to do something. Explain to me why no one else actually in the league gives a crap. Explain to me the actual impact any of this had on the game.

You can't. On any of it.

I will defend the Patriots until I am blue in the face because this is all stupid. The only rule that was broken was the placement of the camera. THAT - IS -IT. They could have been filming upskirts of the Jets cheerleaders and still would have been breaking the exact same rule, but if they were filming the Jets coaches from inside a porta potty on the sidelines, they would be following the NFL rules and could not be penalized.

How 'bout them apples?

The NFL Rule broken says: "all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations 'enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.'"

Before the start of this season, the league sent out a memo ammending the rule to state: "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game."

So basically, anything that happened before 2007 was the placement of the camera. Undisputable. The one instance after is out of pure stupidity.

I've never disputed that the Pats did something wrong. But all the ******** after is ridiculous. There is absolutely no proof that this had any effect on any game that has ever been played. No one even knows how the video was used. You just assume.

So no, I don't buy that a disgruntled ex-employee somehow has a tape almost 7 years later that he never felt the need to tell anyone about. And if he does, I don't buy that the Patriots had anything to do with it. And this is proven to be wrong, that's what I am sticking to.
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Based off of Jay's first post, it appears Mr. Walsh pulled a Brian McNamee and held on to the evidence for quite some time without telling anyone
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Based off of Jay's first post, it appears Mr. Walsh pulled a Brian McNamee and held on to the evidence for quite some time without telling anyone
And thanks to the transitive property of Brian McNamee, anything Walsh says is false and he's a drug dealer.

So the Patriots are in the clear. Wait, wasn't "the clear" a steriod???
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Hopefully. I mean he's already lying on resumes to get jobs...
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Jay, how do you even know what are on the tapes? what if the there are other teams walk throughs? Your blatant homerism is kind of sickening. Can't judge any of this till it actually comes out.
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Right, since the actual footage of the tapes has not been released nobody knows what was actually taped. you're right, it cannot be said that the patriots were completely innocent in other circumstances, just as you cannot say that the patriots were guilty in previous instances. People who hate the patriots are going to say that they are guilty before eveything comes out. Why is it not ok, then, for some patriots fans to argue that they did not do some of the things that the patriots have been accused of with little to no evidence supporting the claims? All I'm trying to say is that the evidence needs to come out completely (if it ever does) before judgement can be passed.
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Jay, how do you even know what are on the tapes? what if the there are other teams walk throughs? Your blatant homerism is kind of sickening. Can't judge any of this till it actually comes out.
But what ever is on the tape is irrelevant at this point. What he is saying is that it is not the tape in itself that is causing this trouble, rather where the camera was that shot the tape. The camera was on the field, which is a no-no. If Matt Walsh was up in a booth at the top of the stadium and shot this film, we wouldn't be talking about this right now. Simple. It really is.
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These threads are getting ridiculous. Until any of us see video and we know the Patriots actually filmed all of these games these threads are useless. If you hate the Patriots, that is your opinion but there is no need for all of these anti-Patriots threads. We have had like ten on the tapes alone already.
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But what ever is on the tape is irrelevant at this point. What he is saying is that it is not the tape in itself that is causing this trouble, rather where the camera was that shot the tape. The camera was on the field, which is a no-no. If Matt Walsh was up in a booth at the top of the stadium and shot this film, we wouldn't be talking about this right now. Simple. It really is.
Good freakin' lord.

It doesn't matter where the damn camera is if they taped a private Rams only Superbowl walkthrough. I don't care if the Camera is on Venus, it's Illegal by NFL Rules and cheating.

The fact remains, You and Jay complain for everyone to wait for evidence, yet you guys jump to more conclusions than everyone else. Like you 2 already KNOW whats on the tapes.
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I am not a Pats fan......With that said....Has anyone thought that Walsh is holding out for immunity just to make $$$$$ off of the whole deal. McNamee was trying to keep himself out of jail. Walsh appears to be trying to make a $$$$ off the whole thing without being held accountable if he lies. Every witness is held accountable if the lie(perjury) on the stand. Why should Walsh be different? Also, Where was Walsh in September? He could have easily been more believable in October. Maybe it took some time for the media man to manufacture evidence? I don't believe a starving golf pro is hiding anything of relevance four months after the investigation.
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These threads are getting ridiculous. Until any of us see video and we know the Patriots actually filmed all of these games these threads are useless. If you hate the Patriots, that is your opinion but there is no need for all of these anti-Patriots threads. We have had like ten on the tapes alone already.
What are you kidding? This is THE biggest story of the offseason. Walsh will be called in as a witness in the Rams player lawsuit and we'll finally see if he has the goods. If he does, Belichik might be banned, the SB title might be stripped, draft choices might be forfeited. That's an amazing story. You guys are on the verge of going down as the infamous Black Sox of baseball. I mean the only reason anyone cares about this story is because of the repercussions if it's proved you guys taped the Rams practices illegally. Hey I can see how you guys just want this story to go away but you better get used to it, because its here to stay until we find out whether Walsh has the tapes or not
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Patriots fans on here keep saying there is no proof that any of the taping had any effect on any game. I ask you this, why in gods name would the Patriots do something that is illegal, and continue to do it after being warned, if there was no advantage to be had. The assertion that they would cheat to gain zero advantage is utterly asinine. And you still haven't answered why the Patriots would tape crappy Packers and Lions teams in 2006 for future reference. How in the world would tapes of two bad NFC teams benefit the Patriots in the long term future. Of course that taping was used to gain an advantage in that game, because by the time they would meet those teams again (years down the road), the information would be irrelevant.
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Patriots fans on here keep saying there is no proof that any of the taping had any effect on any game. I ask you this, why in gods name would the Patriots do something that is illegal, and continue to do it after being warned, if there was no advantage to be had. The assertion that they would cheat to gain zero advantage is utterly asinine. And you still haven't answered why the Patriots would tape crappy Packers and Lions teams in 2006 for future reference. How in the world would tapes of two bad NFC teams benefit the Patriots in the long term future. Of course that taping was used to gain an advantage in that game, because by the time they would meet those teams again (years down the road), the information would be irrelevant.
Aren't you somewhat refuting your own argument? Think about it. Why would the pats have to tape the crap Lions for? Why would they do something illegal if they could easily win the game without it? I'm not saying you're wrong, exactly, but I can see no reason why you tape practices of bad teams.
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