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Old 02-18-2008, 09:52 AM    (permalink
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Default Haloti Ngata vs Vince Wilfork

I really like both these players and even though Wilfork made the probowl this year, I really thought that Ngata should of been lining up next to him. Ngata outperformed Hampton in everyway this past season. So, my question is if you were building a 3-4 defense from scratch and you wanted a future hall of fame NT, who would you pick Ngata or Wilfork and why.
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:55 AM    (permalink
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Well the thing is when the Ravens lined up in a 3-4, Kelly Gregg was usually the NT, and Ngata played as a DE. But i would chose Ngata without a doubt...better player and more versitility
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Future HOF NT woud be Vince Wilfork. Ngata plays end in the 3-4, and the job that Wilfork does in keep OL off of Bruschi and such is amazing.
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Well I started this thread with the notion of projecting Ngata as a 3-4 NT. So please base it off the # of times he lined up over the center and was he effective at doing so.
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If age isn't a factor, Wilfork, since we know he can play the NT spot at a very, very high level.
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there weren't enough times that he did line up there. but no he didn't outperform Hampton at the NT position. I would choose Wilfork (even though he is a dirty mother) over Ngata for the NT position.
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The better question'd be Seymour v. Ngata
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The better question'd be Seymour v. Ngata
going off just this season, it would be Ngata, but Seymour has been a beast for longer. Ngata did outperform him this season. when Seymour came back healthy, i don't even think he played the best on his team.
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I'd take Ngata over Wilfork.
By the time their careers are over, I think Ngata will be the better player.

BTW, I agree with Addict. Seymour vs. Ngata would be better.
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ngata is an absolute stud, and i think he is a much better athlete then wilfork is...however right now, wilfork plays nose and ngata doesnt. But ngata is a stud at end, and i think in a few years he will be one of the best dlinemen in the league...also, ngaata iis very versatile there were a few plays this year where he lined up at MLB and blitzed...very amusing to see, also surprisingly effective.
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Wilfork is the top NT in the league in my opinion
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I'd say Wilfork. As said, not very fair to compare the 2.
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3-4 DE vs. 3-4 NT just doesn't make sense. I'd take Ngata though, since a good 3-4 DE is very hard to find.
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for the Jets, give me Wilfork. Until Ngata proves he can consistently do the NT position, i take wilfork because IMO that NT position is tough to fill, and getting a player of Wilforks caliber is a difficult task
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Well Ngata can play both NT and DE. Although he started at DE, he would play a few snaps a game at NT and he did very well (from what I saw from the 2 or 3 Ravens games I watched). Personally I like Ngata better, but Wilfork is probably the better NT.
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Well Ngata can play both NT and DE. Although he started at DE, he would play a few snaps a game at NT and he did very well.
While true, the topic still has a major flaw. You can't take a NT and a DE in a 3-4 and ask who the better NT is. That'd be like me asking who's a better WR between Brian Westbrook or Braylon Edwards.
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I would take Ngata over both Seymour and Wilfork. Wilfork aka the Dirtiest player ever is a complete and utter beast. But Ngata athleticism, versatility and raw brut beastness out beasts Wilfork
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WIlfork needs to be number one at the position for 10 more years before even thinking that. Also, cleaning up his play since he is so ******* dirty. He will miss alot of time suspensions wise. 4 fines one season makes Roy Williams look like a Saint. Gaylord PErry of Football=Wilfork
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there weren't enough times that he did line up there. but no he didn't outperform Hampton at the NT position. I would choose Wilfork (even though he is a dirty mother) over Ngata for the NT position.
Dirty players in the trenches are actaulyl something i like, hey you can be a bit nasty and do anything to win. This is coming from a guy who is a dirty player when i played football and when i play basketball so ya...
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HE crosses the line too often, poking fingers in eyes, late hits ending QB's careers etc. If he isint careful some guard ma just by accident dive into his knee.
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What late hit that ended a QB's career did he do? And o-lineman are just as dirty as far as cut and chop blocking and such
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