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Old 03-04-2008, 11:21 PM    (permalink
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The chances of him being here long term are slim, so we should take the value while it is there. It is also clear we are bringing in our kind of player, and want new leaders to develop. I agree with that philosiphy, if we want to rebuild we need to have new building blocks and new leaders. No holdovers.

If we can get pick 28 from Dallas, which I think is bad value, I think we take it. We need to cash in. We do not want DeAngelo Hall being on this team as a malcontent. That just creates dissent, and if he is unhappy it will just get worse. Anyone not in agreement with us needs to get out.
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I obviously wouldnt want to lose him (look at my username) but the chances of him staying are so low. He even came out and said it. I will just take the best offer now.
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reports tonight are that my Skins are major players for trading for Hall
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I obviously wouldnt want to lose him (look at my username) but the chances of him staying are so low. He even came out and said it. I will just take the best offer now.


Lance Briggs ring a bell?
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Indeed.

Fundamentally, Hall is whining because he thinks that we don't want him. If we decide that we do want him, and make him a contract offer in line with that, then he'll have no reason to be unhappy.

However, that won't take away the fact that he tends to throw a major strop every time something minor doesn't go his way. I've got to say, as much as I love Hall's talent, I'm starting to get fairly fed up with that.
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The chances of him being here long term are slim, so we should take the value while it is there. It is also clear we are bringing in our kind of player, and want new leaders to develop. I agree with that philosiphy, if we want to rebuild we need to have new building blocks and new leaders. No holdovers.

If we can get pick 28 from Dallas, which I think is bad value, I think we take it. We need to cash in. We do not want DeAngelo Hall being on this team as a malcontent. That just creates dissent, and if he is unhappy it will just get worse. Anyone not in agreement with us needs to get out.
If we do take the 28th pick I hope were getting a 3rd rounder with that.
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I honestly dont know why we dont just sign D.Hall to a long term deal. Thats most likely what he is complaining about, that we wont sign him. having him and Houston on either side for years to come would be awsome.

but if we do trade Hall then i hope we get atleast a 1st round pick.
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I think he felt betrayed, I'm not sure he'll allow himself to change that feeling.
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Mm, yeah. I would love for that to happen with Hall's situation.

If it were only like Madden...just offer a new contract to a dissatisfied player, and his morale boosts up.
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If it were only like Madden...just offer a new contract to a dissatisfied player, and his morale boosts up.
I usually bomb my 1st season so I can hire my own staff and be in control of the draft. So I've seen low moralers refuse to resign, haha.
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reports tonight are that my Skins are major players for trading for Hall
It makes sense. They have utter disregard for draft picks and love veteran players. Hall would be a great fit. I could see 2 of my favorite players playing together. That would be nice.

The 21st (or 20th) pick would be a good pick for Hall. I wouldve wanted something higher, but after he expressed his discontents with the organizations, 20 is fine.
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Believe it or not but its being reported by pewterreport.com that Tampa Bay is in the hunt and very close to completing something that would bring in D. Hall to the Bucs. Thats why they have saved the cap room. Not many more details than that but damn if Atlanta trades him within the division, thats a sign of despiration.

Speculating: I bet Tampa would give up their 1st round pick #20 this year and Michael Clayton. But who knows.
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Believe it or not but its being reported by pewterreport.com that Tampa Bay is in the hunt and very close to completing something that would bring in D. Hall to the Bucs. Thats why they have saved the cap room. Not many more details than that but damn if Atlanta trades him within the division, thats a sign of despiration.

Speculating: I bet Tampa would give up their 1st round pick #20 this year and Michael Clayton. But who knows.

That just makes no sense. First why would we trade him to a rival and second, DeAngelo is a man to man type of guy. Not sure why they would stick him in a cover 2
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That just makes no sense. First why would we trade him to a rival and second, DeAngelo is a man to man type of guy. Not sure why they would stick him in a cover 2
Actually the Bucs have gone away from the Cover 2 more and more over recent years. Even playing a little 3-4 last year. Brian Kelly will be gone and he played mostly Man to Man.

IMO this Cover 2 / Man corner stuff is garbage. If the corner can play he can play.

I agree with you on the rival thing.. But I didnt start the rumor.
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There's no denying Hall is a playmaker, and will be one anywhere. I would just hate to see him on the Bucs, because they are a rival, and probably won't get the most of his talent.
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It would be insane to trade Hall to a division rival. That just makes the Deion comparison all the more obvious.

I would be astounded if that happened.
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Unless they give us their entire draft and some money or something, no way I'd want to face D-Hall twice a year.
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It is true the Bucs have been running a lot less Tampa 2 lately, so who knows.
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There's no denying Hall is a playmaker, and will be one anywhere. I would just hate to see him on the Bucs, because they are a rival, and probably won't get the most of his talent.
I understand why you don't want him at the Bucs, but why don't you think they could get the most out of his talent?
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I understand why you don't want him at the Bucs, but why don't you think they could get the most out of his talent?
Because we run a a hell of a lot more Cover 2/3 than man. Hall is pretty disinterested when it comes to tackling and he likes to run with guys. If we brought him here it would be a clash of playing styles and he has questionable attitude. In our system he's not worth the headcase risk and cost of draft picks. Same reasons why Chucky's Mathis trade sucked.
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Because we run a a hell of a lot more Cover 2/3 than man. Hall is pretty disinterested when it comes to tackling and he likes to run with guys. If we brought him here it would be a clash of playing styles and he has questionable attitude. In our system he's not worth the headcase risk and cost of draft picks. Same reasons why Chucky's Mathis trade sucked.
A first rounder an Clayton is a lot less than what I gave up. I would not have given a first rounder up for Mathis
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Because we run a a hell of a lot more Cover 2/3 than man. Hall is pretty disinterested when it comes to tackling and he likes to run with guys. If we brought him here it would be a clash of playing styles and he has questionable attitude. In our system he's not worth the headcase risk and cost of draft picks. Same reasons why Chucky's Mathis trade sucked.
We brought a man CB in Phillip Buchanon to Tampa and completely revitalised his career. I'd like to think we could do the same with Hall.
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We brought a man CB in Phillip Buchanon to Tampa and completely revitalised his career. I'd like to think we could do the same with Hall.
PBuc has worked hard on his tackling and even still he's not much more than an average Cover 2 corner. The instincts and ball skills just aren't there. I'd sign Hall if he was a FA but he's not worth a trade. Brandon Flowers would actually be a better fit for our defense than Hall, and we would be giving up more than a 1st for Hall.

Chucky: We run a simple zone defense. We shouldn't be giving up more than a couple of toonies and some kleenex for a corner. It's a moot point, but I think I agree.
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PBuc has worked hard on his tackling and even still he's not much more than an average Cover 2 corner. The instincts and ball skills just aren't there. I'd sign Hall if he was a FA but he's not worth a trade. Brandon Flowers would actually be a better fit for our defense than Hall, and we would be giving up more than a 1st for Hall.
That isn't really the point of the discussion but I completely understand what you mean. I am just of the opinion that the Tampa coaching staff would do a good job with DeAngelo Hall regardless of whether we are using a zone or man defense.

Just to clear things up, I don't think the trade will happen and don't want to trade #20 for him.
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That isn't really the point of the discussion but I completely understand what you mean. I am just of the opinion that the Tampa coaching staff would do a good job with DeAngelo Hall regardless of whether we are using a zone or man defense.
I agree. Hall's burst in short-areas would make him a better starter than PBuc, and our coaches could definitely work on other areas of his game. The Cover 2 requires more experience and repetition than skill which is why we often draft our corners in the mid-rounds and they usually stink for their first couple years.

I am of the opinion that our defensive coaches could turn anyone into a solid starter....except Sabby Piscitelli.

And the Bucs jack another thread from the Falcons!
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