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Old 03-06-2008, 06:11 PM    (permalink
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I am of the opinion that our defensive coaches could turn anyone into a solid starter....except Sabby Piscitelli.

And the Bucs jack another thread from the Falcons!
Wouldn't it be funny if Sabby came out this year and played really well? A fair few of us would have a considerable amount of egg on our faces so to speak.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Sabby came out this year and played really well? A fair few of us would have a considerable amount of egg on our faces so to speak.
I'll have nowhere to hide.....and I'll take all the credit so you don't have to worry. We can always just discredit him and congratulate the fine job done by our coaching staff.

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I'll have nowhere to hide.....and I'll take all the credit so you don't have to worry. We can always just discredit him and congratulate the fine job done by our coaching staff.

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Your hatred of Sabby is definitely stronger than mine which is more of a mediocre dislike so I guess it is only fair you take more of the blame.
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Wtf. I took a nap and came back from class to see another page added by Buc fans. lol. Nice hijack guys.
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Because we run a a hell of a lot more Cover 2/3 than man. Hall is pretty disinterested when it comes to tackling and he likes to run with guys. If we brought him here it would be a clash of playing styles and he has questionable attitude. In our system he's not worth the headcase risk and cost of draft picks. Same reasons why Chucky's Mathis trade sucked.
That's actually not true. I'm not calling Hall a LB esque hitter or anything, but he is willing to tackle. Ex: I think he put up 11 or 12 vs the Giants because he was constantly helping out with Jacobs.
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That's actually not true. I'm not calling Hall a LB esque hitter or anything, but he is willing to tackle. Ex: I think he put up 11 or 12 vs the Giants because he was constantly helping out with Jacobs.
I've seen him shy away from contact. Meh. He's a finesse corner no matter how you put it.
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Etk, normally you're pretty good, but you haven't seen him play enough, he's extremely physical especially when it comes to tackling, he gets in there and mixes it up with you no matter who you are, I'm 100% convinced if it was a LT running with the ball that Hall would be the first person after him. Finesse corners don't get penalties for putting impressive jams on a guy like Steve Smith and being so good at it, you get flagged for something you didn't do. Finesse is not a good word to describe Hall's game.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Sabby came out this year and played really well? A fair few of us would have a considerable amount of egg on our faces so to speak.
I like Sabby, a lot, I liked him as a prospect, I really wanted him in Atlanta.
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Etk, normally you're pretty good, but you haven't seen him play enough, he's extremely physical especially when it comes to tackling, he gets in there and mixes it up with you no matter who you are, I'm 100% convinced if it was a LT running with the ball that Hall would be the first person after him. Finesse corners don't get penalties for putting impressive jams on a guy like Steve Smith and being so good at it, you get flagged for something you didn't do. Finesse is not a good word to describe Hall's game.
I've seem enough of Atlanta to know that Hall isn't as physical as I like my corners to be. I might be underestimating him a bit, but I've never seen him throw his body around like Barber or Brandon Flowers. Chris Houston is the physical corner I like for our defense, not Hall.
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Watch some more then, cause honestly, if you watch him vs the Giants and the hits he was making on Jacobs would make most Safetys and some linebackers jealous. Look at the jam a couple years ago on Rice knocked Jerry out of the play and turned it into a pick 6, look at what he does vs Steve Smith. When Hall is told to put his hands on a guy he's good...real good. He's also an extremely active corner in run support when he's put in zone coverages. When he's man on man he's obviously not going to make as many plays in run support. He's physical...maybe not in the same way as Ronde, but he's more physical in some ways and less in others.
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He tries very hard, but the results are still not the same as ideal Cover 2 guys. I am not saying he is lacking in the tackling department, but I am just saying that his size limits him alot. He tries very hard to overcome it, but sometimes it doesnt matter.
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Watch some more then, cause honestly, if you watch him vs the Giants and the hits he was making on Jacobs would make most Safetys and some linebackers jealous. Look at the jam a couple years ago on Rice knocked Jerry out of the play and turned it into a pick 6, look at what he does vs Steve Smith. When Hall is told to put his hands on a guy he's good...real good. He's also an extremely active corner in run support when he's put in zone coverages. When he's man on man he's obviously not going to make as many plays in run support. He's physical...maybe not in the same way as Ronde, but he's more physical in some ways and less in others.
My perception of Hall has always been that he is a fluid athlete who likes to freeroam and run with guys. I haven't seen him hit someone like Ronde and I haven't seen him fly to cut off the edge like PBuc. He might be a good tackler in your eyes, but in my eyes he doesn't have the mentality I like from a corner, and that's what's most important. I think a lot like Mike Mayock when it comes to CBs...Houston and Flowers are my 2 favorites from the past 2 years.
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Watch some more then, cause honestly, if you watch him vs the Giants and the hits he was making on Jacobs would make most Safetys and some linebackers jealous. Look at the jam a couple years ago on Rice knocked Jerry out of the play and turned it into a pick 6, look at what he does vs Steve Smith. When Hall is told to put his hands on a guy he's good...real good. He's also an extremely active corner in run support when he's put in zone coverages. When he's man on man he's obviously not going to make as many plays in run support. He's physical...maybe not in the same way as Ronde, but he's more physical in some ways and less in others.
Jerry Rice was eighty years old and Steve Smith is 175-lbs., so bad examples.
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Jerry Rice was eighty years old and Steve Smith is 175-lbs., so bad examples.
Steve Smith has great balance with a strong lower body. He's a tough SOB at the LOS, so I give the poster credit for that statement.
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Steve Smith has great balance with a strong lower body. He's a tough SOB at the LOS, so I give the poster credit for that statement.
Steve Smith has made DeAngelo Hall look dumb before as well, so it evens out.
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Steve Smith has made DeAngelo Hall look dumb before as well, so it evens out.
I only remember 2 occasions. One he straight up burnt Hall (The infamous 37 yard penalty that started it all), and the other he tried to make something happen by trying to pick off a screen pass to return it for a TD. Didnt work out, and Scott was there to miss the tackle. Damn Byron Scott. He was looking so solid too.
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I only remember 2 occasions. One he straight up burnt Hall (The infamous 37 yard penalty that started it all), and the other he tried to make something happen by trying to pick off a screen pass to return it for a TD. Didnt work out, and Scott was there to miss the tackle. Damn Byron Scott. He was looking so solid too.
Yes sir. Those were the two in my head.
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any news about a trade of lately?
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any news about a trade of lately?
Apparently the Buccaneers, Cowboys, and Redskins are still interested; there have been reports of their intrest in the past ten days.
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I think there is no doubt that either Hall is coming back or it will be a draft day deal. I assume the latter after his comments at the combine.
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It just doesn't make sense for us to go after Hall. Samuel is a better fit for our defense and wouldn't cost us draft picks but we didn't even look at him. We draft our starting corners in the 3rd round, so unless that's the asking price for Hall I doubt we trade for him.
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I think it happens before the draft, a contract will be needed to finalize the trade.
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I think it happens before the draft, a contract will be needed to finalize the trade.
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this trade has cooled down quite a bit, probably because of Hall's contract requests, but which team is your pick that will make this trade?
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Apparently the Buccaneers, Cowboys, and Redskins are still interested; there have been reports of their intrest in the past ten days.
not the giants :(?
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