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Old 03-04-2008, 07:08 AM    (permalink
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Are there are big names still out there?
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Which teams are having the best and worst offseasons?

Best- Colts

Although teams like the vikings and browns added many new players, it doesnt make it the best offseason (think 49ers 07). But the colts havent signed any Free Agents. So why the Colts?

They're keeping their core players. They managed to re-sign Dallas Clark and Ryan Lilja, two core starters on the offense. They also haven't lost anyone significant in FA. Sometimes, just keeping your core players intact is the best thing you can do this time of year.
Yeah because the 49'rs were extremely overrated in 06 means that because their offseason didnt improve them to a better team that it also means other teams won't improve when they add talent.

Also, about the Colts keeping core players... How about the Browns retaining Derek Anderson and Jamal Lewis, and adding two good defensive linemen (Our worst position last year) as well as a speedy #2 receiver (something we don't have.)

Some times the obvious answer is the right one, don't try to outthink yourself bud.
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I'm not ecstatic with the Broncos at this point. Although I think Walker was bad for the team, and gold wasnt doing great, they were 2 starters. And so far all we've done is bring in Kerry Colbert...who'll be lucky to be the third or 4th WR on the team. Not a big fan. The last player I read about pursuing was Boss Bailey, who is a lot like gold, but with the bailey brand name on the back.

Only way I like the Broncos offseason, is if they end up with a good DT during draft or trade, or if they pick the players I want in the draft (chris williams and earl bennett)

Of course, defense is the biggest need, but they seem to think that this is a team with no holes.
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The 49ers D is gonna be much improved.
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I'm not ecstatic with the Broncos at this point. Although I think Walker was bad for the team, and gold wasnt doing great, they were 2 starters. And so far all we've done is bring in Kerry Colbert...who'll be lucky to be the third or 4th WR on the team. Not a big fan. The last player I read about pursuing was Boss Bailey, who is a lot like gold, but with the bailey brand name on the back.

Only way I like the Broncos offseason, is if they end up with a good DT during draft or trade, or if they pick the players I want in the draft (chris williams and earl bennett)

Of course, defense is the biggest need, but they seem to think that this is a team with no holes.
Believe it or not, I am using the Broncos to gauge this whole free agency. Denver evals talent as good as anybody. If they were unwilling to give up so much to get some of these defensive tackles, it makes me glad the Raiders didn't trade away picks to get one of them too.
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Believe it or not, I am using the Broncos to gauge this whole free agency. Denver evals talent as good as anybody. If they were unwilling to give up so much to get some of these defensive tackles, it makes me glad the Raiders didn't trade away picks to get one of them too.
What does evals mean?
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from my understanding its like 95% but nothing is official
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Believe it or not, I am using the Broncos to gauge this whole free agency. Denver evals talent as good as anybody. If they were unwilling to give up so much to get some of these defensive tackles, it makes me glad the Raiders didn't trade away picks to get one of them too.
yeah, denver is usually pretty good, but last year was dissapointing with the players that were good on other teams, but didnt fit with the Broncos. I guess they learned there lesson about goin after high priced free agents, but I think they went too far.

DT is a huge need, as is LB imo and neither has been addressed at all. Unless they plan on making a trade up in the draft for sedrick ellis or vernon gholston, then I think they made a mistake by not picking up a solid DT or LB.

I just dont like what we did last year, and I dont think that we are really heading in the right direction as of now.

But lets hope that we fix things up come draft. *fingers crossed* lol
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Yeah because the 49'rs were extremely overrated in 06 means that because their offseason didnt improve them to a better team that it also means other teams won't improve when they add talent.

Also, about the Colts keeping core players... How about the Browns retaining Derek Anderson and Jamal Lewis, and adding two good defensive linemen (Our worst position last year) as well as a speedy #2 receiver (something we don't have.)

Some times the obvious answer is the right one, don't try to outthink yourself bud.
My point is adding the most players for the highest cost isnt indictative of the best offseason.

And the colts offseason is still the best, IMO. Dallas Clark and Bob Sanders are very important to a team that competes for a championship every year this decade. Derek Anderson and Jamal Lewis had good seasons but Anderson faltered down the stretch and is still a big question mark and dont even think about Jamal Lewis being more important than Sanders (you know...the DPOY) or Clark.

And dont kid yourself about your teams acquisitions. You think trading a 2nd round pick for a player who has never played in a 3-4, trading a 3rd round pick plus a starting CB for a player who is known for his questionable work ethic, and giving $10 million guaranteed to Stallworth qualifies for the best offseason? It could turn out great but it could also fall flat on the browns face, which in case you didnt notice, is what i stated in the original post, that it is a boom/bust type offseason. Quit being a homer.

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Best news of the offseason for the skins, no signings in the first wave of big name free agents, plus we retained our backup QB and kicker, and are officially 8 mil under the cap.
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it means I was lazy. evaluates, I have no idea why in the middle of a fairly good sized paragraph I choose to abbreviate that word.
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Raiders may sign Kwame Harris. I think you would have to name them the best off season if that happens.

No, I am not serious.
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No, I am not serious.
Man I really feel for the raiders fans right now. That must be the worst front office in the league.

I don't think I have liked any of their signings thus far except for franchising Nnambdi, but he should have been locked up before that.

Javon Walker got Randy Moss money for the first 3 years. Tommie Kelly has been ok, but is not the answer for their run d. Kwame Harris was pretty bad in SF. Wilson might be ok, but they should probably move him to SS to better utilize Huff... paying that much for a guy that is switching positions is not ideal.

But the worst part of their offseason has been the crazyness between Kiffin and Davis...just incomprehensible....
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Add crumpler to the FA list, Tenn didn't sign him.
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Ignoring the fact that the 49ers spent a buttload of cash on him, I question how Smith fits in the '9ers 3-4 defense. A very risky signing... somewhat underlooked as a move that could potentially blow up in their face.
Couple notes on that:

- We don't run a pure 3-4, it's mostly a hybrid 3-4/4-3. We run a lot of nickel packages using 4 d-linemen, 2 LB'ers and 5 DB's(all our DB's are great tacklers).

- Our 3-4 isn't the patriots '2 gap responsibility' 3-4, we run the chargers 3-4(manusky chargers LB coach is our DC) where our d-linemen attack more than occupy a gap. Smith is perfect for that, he's also most likely going to slide in to defensive tackle on long passing downs. They've been targeting him since last season offseason, so I'm sure they've done their homework on his strengths and weaknesses.

- I'm really not worried about Justin Smith, my bigger concern for our d-line is the nose tackle spot. We were one of the better teams against the run last year(3.8 ypc tied for 4th) with undersized defensive ends(3.08 and 3.67 ypc on runs in their direction). The area where we gave up the higher ypc was up the middle, which is my biggest concern. Whoever our nose tackle is next season, whether it's isaac sopoaga or aubreyo franklin, they've got to do a better job clogging up the middle. Sopoaga, who came on very strong at the end of last year, looks like he might play at one DE spot, and I really don't trust franklin at all, I'm hoping we draft Pat Sims and put him NT.

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I vote for the Raiders:

Spending $160ish million on Kelly, Wilson, Harris, and Walker is nigh on insane.
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First of all, I think this thread should stipulate that you cannot vote for your own team. The homerism in this thread is borderline unbearable. That being said, as a Browns fan myself..

BEST: Bills. Really like the additions.

WORST: Easily, EASILY Raiders. The Black Hole adds a bunch of average and over-rated injury-ridden guys that they immensely overpaid for. Should be a fun year watching them implode again!
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That could be good or bad for you depending upon what the long term plan is for you guys. I agree the not spending is a pleasant suprise. However haven't many of the Skins fans implied that Zorn is just a one year fill and that this season could be a compelete wash. Could you just be purging the roster of the trash and freeing up money for 2009 when you can go get Cowher? That wouldn't be the worst plan in the world, but it wouldn't say much about the upcoming season for you guys.
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Spending $160ish million on Kelly, Wilson, Harris, and Walker is nigh on insane.
well, technically it's the guaranteed money he will pay out. but it's still a butt load
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Towever haven't many of the Skins fans implied that Zorn is just a one year fill and that this season could be a compelete wash.
im not sure where you heard that. im all over the skins board all the time and ive heard little to none of that kind of talk.
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lawl. I remember the days when everyone was like "the skins will be in the cap hell next year" and then they would say the same thing the following year and we never really have been.
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Originally Posted by Dirty Thirty View Post
im not sure where you heard that. im all over the skins board all the time and ive heard little to none of that kind of talk.
Some Redskins fans mentioned it here when they were deciding on a coach.
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