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Old 03-04-2008, 06:29 PM    (permalink
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BamaFalcon59, how do expect to have any credibility if you have only been watching football for four years and have never seen most of those players play before???
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this site does a pretty good job of ranking the greatest qbs of all time. they've got favre ranked 10, and make a compelling case for all of the qbs they have listed
Any list that doesn't have Marino in the top 10 is a ok with me
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BamaFalcon59, how do expect to have any credibility if you have only been watching football for four years and have never seen most of those players play before???
I didn't ask for credibility. I gave my opinion to the question asked.

Not many people here saw YA Tittle play, so how can he be considered a top 30 QB of all time? Because people know his pedigree. It just so happens I saw some of Favres career, maybe not the most glamerous part of it, and was not impressed. Even this year, where it seemed half his balls thrown for touchdowns should have been intercepted.

Not saying he is not a great quarterback, but there are 5-10 guys I would take over him to lead my team in overtime.
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I didn't ask for credibility. I gave my opinion to the question asked.

Not many people here saw YA Tittle play, so how can he be considered a top 30 QB of all time? Because people know his pedigree. It just so happens I saw some of Favres career, maybe not the most glamerous part of it, and was not impressed. Even this year, where it seemed half his balls thrown for touchdowns should have been intercepted.

Not saying he is not a great quarterback, but there are 5-10 guys I would take over him to lead my team in overtime.
I saw a pic of YA Tittle's head bleading, that was enough evidence for me to consider him top 30! jk
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I'd say Brett is definatly Top 10 all time, and could have a legit arguement for top 5.
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Seems like that site agrees with me.
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when are people gonna stop mentioning Trent Dilfer in EVERY 'Qb's and rings' conversation?

(it's a good argument, but c'mon, be creative, surely there have been other crappy SB winners)
Doug Williams. Jim McMahon.
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I didn't ask for credibility. I gave my opinion to the question asked.

Not many people here saw YA Tittle play, so how can he be considered a top 30 QB of all time? Because people know his pedigree. It just so happens I saw some of Favres career, maybe not the most glamerous part of it, and was not impressed. Even this year, where it seemed half his balls thrown for touchdowns should have been intercepted.

Not saying he is not a great quarterback, but there are 5-10 guys I would take over him to lead my team in overtime.
Favre and Elway were the best two minute QBs in the 90s. Favre hasn't been too good at it the past few years though.

With Favre, you get either a win or an interception. I can't think of an OT game in the past probably 5 years that the Packers lost because they had to punt.

That last sentence is what made Favre great. He was able to fit balls into spaces no other QB could. Those ones that weren't ints were because defenders couldn't get their hands on it.
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Top 10 no doubt. Borderline top 5.
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Doug Williams. Jim McMahon.
mcmahon > dilfer....85 bears > that ravens team
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Favre and Elway were the best two minute QBs in the 90s. Favre hasn't been too good at it the past few years though.

With Favre, you get either a win or an interception. I can't think of an OT game in the past probably 5 years that the Packers lost because they had to punt.

That last sentence is what made Favre great. He was able to fit balls into spaces no other QB could. Those ones that weren't ints were because defenders couldn't get their hands on it.
San Diego, Minnesota, and Denver were won in the final 2 minutes or OT due to Favre. Three in one season is pretty damn good.
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San Diego, Minnesota, and Denver were won in the final 2 minutes or OT due to Favre. Three in one season is pretty damn good.
I think he ment 2005
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I'd say he's around 6th or 7th... I think Paul Zimmerman's article over on SI.com summed it up very nicely. There's no doubt he was one of the all time greats, but I'm always going to remember thinking he could've been even better.
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I'd say he's around 6th or 7th... I think Paul Zimmerman's article over on SI.com summed it up very nicely. There's no doubt he was one of the all time greats, but I'm always going to remember thinking he could've been even better.
How could you say could have been better??? He set the multiple records and never missed a game. Yes he threw many interceptions but that was his style the gunslinger type it was exspected from him. Yes he had some off field issues early on but who doesnt have problems... No one can be perfect.
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Top 3 IMO

1. Montana
2. Unitas
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I barely rank him Top Five. After Brady retires, Favre is out. Mine is:

1. Dan Marino
2. Joe Montana
3. Johnny Unitas
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Favre is number one. He did everything you could want from your quarterback. Just think what he could have doe if he ever had a playmaker like jerry rice. Could someone explain how Marino over Favre is possible? Favre broke al his records and has the ring to go with it.
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Favre is number one. He did everything you could want from your quarterback. Just think what he could have doe if he ever had a playmaker like jerry rice. Could someone explain how Marino over Favre is possible? Favre broke al his records and has the ring to go with it.
People will use the INT argument. Favre had 1 more int per 400 passes. That means he only averaged 1 INT more a year than Marino.

I don't understand how Marino can be above Favre either.
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Favre is number one. He did everything you could want from your quarterback. Just think what he could have doe if he ever had a playmaker like jerry rice. Could someone explain how Marino over Favre is possible? Favre broke al his records and has the ring to go with it.
what about if marino had a team eh? he had nothin!

I agree with duckseason though
post 78 **** changed so much. that it's really an unfair compairson if you say 'passer'

1) Montana
2) Favre
3) Elway
4) Marino
5) Brady

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what about if marino had a team eh? he had nothin!

I agree with duckseason though
post 78 **** changed so much. that it's really an unfair compairson if you say 'passer'

1) Montana
2) Favre
3) Elway
4) Marino
5) Brady

6) Young
It isn't like Favre had a whole lot. Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks those names don't strike fear in anyones heart. Edgar Bennet, Dorsey Levens... Favre has played with one HOFer, and he was a defensive end(Sterling Sharpe was well on his way, but Favre only played with him his first 3 years.)
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i also think johnny u is legendary only because of his name, not because he was... 'that great' otto graham was that great. johnny u just had the right marketing story for the NFL to create the 'legend'.

Bogus. Sure, he was good, but not that good.
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It isn't like Favre had a whole lot. Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks those names don't strike fear in anyones heart. Edgar Bennet, Dorsey Levens... Favre has played with one HOFer, and he was a defensive end(Sterling Sharpe was well on his way, but Favre only played with him his first 3 years.)
oh i know. oh. i know.

marino doesn't get much love because of it.
neither does favre.
if either favre or marino had a marvin harrison and a james most of their careers. i'd say, they would look better than montana possible. i know it's a shoulda-coulda-woulda phenomenal. but it still stands to reason, it's a team game, when you factor in the 'team' element, many players seem less bad.

It's the same reason why brady will always rank better than manning in my book. If it comes to similar skill, look at the players around him.
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He was definitely the best QB of the mid to late 90s. From 1994-97/98 no QB was even close to him. Elway was a better QB than Favre, yes, but not by the 90s. I think Favre edges out Marino anyway though.
I wouldn't say "not even close". Steve Young's 1994 season was superb. He even won the MVP that season. And Elway played at a very high level as well. Not to mention Aikman.
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I wouldn't say "not even close". Steve Young's 1994 season was superb. He even won the MVP that season. And Elway played at a very high level as well. Not to mention Aikman.
I meant over the course of those years. Favre's '94 wasn't as good as his next 3 years, but it was still a superb year. I don't think any QB in history has had a three year stretch like Favre did. Don't mention Aikman in this, it was a crime he was a first ballot HOFer. There were probably 15 other QBs in the league that could have done what Aikman did.
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I didn't ask for credibility. I gave my opinion to the question asked.

Not many people here saw YA Tittle play, so how can he be considered a top 30 QB of all time? Because people know his pedigree. It just so happens I saw some of Favres career, maybe not the most glamerous part of it, and was not impressed. Even this year, where it seemed half his balls thrown for touchdowns should have been intercepted.

Not saying he is not a great quarterback, but there are 5-10 guys I would take over him to lead my team in overtime.
You would think, after doing it for 16 years, that eventually it would cease to be luck, and actually be looked at as skill. But, I can't expect somebody who's only watched football for FOUR years, who probably doesn't completely understand the game, to comprehend that.
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