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Old 03-09-2008, 06:47 PM    (permalink
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Every QB has the potential to be the best or the worst, thats the only point I was trying to make.
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i gotta agree, the only way we'll find out is what happens this year
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I don't know if you were going for an attempt at humor there or what, but it didn't work. Rodgers is a first round pick that has had three years to learn behind Favre. Combine that with the best supporting cast in the division on offense, and you have the potential to be the best QB in the division. If you need me to go slower, just ask...
Potential is not always met. Especially at qb, just ask any bears fan.
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Potential is not always met. Especially at qb, just ask any bears fan.
Obviously. But since we can't accurately predict the future yet, that's really all we have to go off of, isn't it?
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Obviously. But since we can't accurately predict the future yet, that's really all we have to go off of, isn't it?
You seem to be assuming that since he was a first round pick he automaticly is going to be the best and that isn't the case at all.
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Why the hell even have this thread then? If you're going to count out Rodgers and Jackson because they're just potential at this point that leaves Grossman and Kitna. Grossman blows, Kitna blows less. It's not even a question then.
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Well, I would disagree that Kitna blows less than Grossman, but yes, this is a pointless argument, I think I said that about two pages ago.

And to be honest, if a gun was to my head I'd probably say Rodgers too, but that's based more on what I liked about him coming out of college, which really doesn't count for much of anything.
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You seem to be assuming that since he was a first round pick he automaticly is going to be the best and that isn't the case at all.
So you're assuming that since he was a first round pick, he is automatically going to not be the best? I think my assumption makes more sense than yours... I don't even know why I'm arguing this...
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Ya it's pretty obvious there is no correct answer all opinions.
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So you're assuming that since he was a first round pick, he is automatically going to not be the best? I think my assumption makes more sense than yours... I don't even know why I'm arguing this...
Neither opinion makes any sense.
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lets all just say that brett favre is still best in the division until Aaron Rodgers has his first start
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:06 PM    (permalink
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What the heck are you talking about? Potentially Brooks Bollinger could come out of no where next year to be the best. Potentially Rex Grossman could end the inconsistencies and could start playing at an All Pro level. Potentially Aaron Rodgers could be worse then Ryan Leaf.
No ORton had his shot, Grossman has had several shots. Rodgers is still a questionmark. The best QB in the NFC North is Kitna and thats sad. Statistically the 4 worst QB's in the NFL may be comming out of the NFC North. How sad is that?
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No ORton had his shot, Grossman has had several shots. Rodgers is still a questionmark. The best QB in the NFC North is Kitna and thats sad. Statistically the 4 worst QB's in the NFL may be comming out of the NFC North. How sad is that?
It's funny how we can go from the division with the best QB's, to the worst over the course of one season. :D
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No ORton had his shot, Grossman has had several shots. Rodgers is still a questionmark. The best QB in the NFC North is Kitna and thats sad. Statistically the 4 worst QB's in the NFL may be comming out of the NFC North. How sad is that?
When has Kitna proven anything in his career?
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No ORton had his shot
may i just ask when that was? was it 3 years ago when he was a 4th rnd rookie force to start...or the end of this year when he diidn't look half bad?
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im willing to say that we know what we get from Grossman and Kitna. And i will give Orton a mulligan for his rookie year. so that leave orton and rodgers as unprovens. so i am willing to put it like so

1. Kitna
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im willing to say that we know what we get from Grossman and Kitna. And i will give Orton a mulligan for his rookie year. so that leave orton and rodgers as unprovens. so i am willing to put it like so

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what do you mean a mulligan his rookie year? He started basically a full season and took the Bears to the playoffs...his stats weren't great, but he did good for a rookie
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First off, I think Kitna is getting too much love. It's not like he was superstar quality with Martz, and now that Martz is gone, they probably won't be throwing the ball 60 times a game. It's easy to throw for 4000 yards when you drop back every down.

As a Packers fan, I'm more than comfortable with Rodgers right now, but because he hasn't really proved anything, I'd rank the division QB's like this...
1) Tarvaris Jackson
2) Kyle Orton
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they probably won't be throwing the ball 60 times a game. It's easy to throw for 4000 yards when you drop back every down.
And not to mention Kitna has awesome receivers.
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what do you mean a mulligan his rookie year? He started basically a full season and took the Bears to the playoffs...his stats weren't great, but he did good for a rookie
because that was his rookie year. i think he should be given a second chance. but one thing i do think i know, i like him alot better than sexy rexy
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Am I crazy if I say Grossman? Because Im leaning towards Grossman....


I want to say Rodgers, but can't. One game doesn't = best in the division. Let him prove it first.

It can't be Kitna. Kitna sucks. Just because they started out hot doesn't mean a thing, he's not that good at all. He's probably not even the best qb on his team. Everyone is forgetting about Stanton and how he'll likely replace Kitna before week 8.
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It's funny how we can go from the division with the best QB's, to the worst over the course of one season. :D
when did this division have the best QBs? It had one above average one... that's it.
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Yeah the Grossman hate is getting a bit silly. I agree with BBD, Mike Martz would have done wonders with Grossman. Hell, Grossman with Mike Martz, Roy Williams, and Calvin Johnson? They would have scored a lot more than with Kitna. Kitna really does suck. I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Grossman is an idiot, but at least he's talented. Kitna is just an idiot.
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Yeah the Grossman hate is getting a bit silly. I agree with BBD, Mike Martz would have done wonders with Grossman. Hell, Grossman with Mike Martz, Roy Williams, and Calvin Johnson? They would have scored a lot more than with Kitna. Kitna really does suck. I'm not sure why anyone thinks otherwise. Grossman is an idiot, but at least he's talented. Kitna is just an idiot.
i have no doubt that Grossman would outperform Kitna in detroit. Grossman had a crappy oline and far less at the skill positions than Kitna had. Even less in the run game. Granted Kitna had no oline either, but he had more talent around him than Grossman had.

Throwing it deep to Williams and Johnson? Grossman would pop a boner just thinking about it.

Im not saying he'd turn into Montana, but he would do a better job than Kitna would.
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