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Old 03-15-2008, 04:55 PM    (permalink
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They only have a chance of winning 2-3 games this year... Those teams are Falcons, 49ers, and Texans.
I wouldn't go that far, 6-10 seems about where they'll be at for me.
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Last year he never said they were definatly going to win 10 games. He said with the new coaching staff he would not be suprised if they won 10 games. Thats being optimistic.
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if they can't block it up front, the rest doesn't matter. they need to shore up that oline.

especially when the rest of the division will pose some formidable dlines this upcoming season. The Bears and Pack will have great dlines, and the Vikings are a DE away from having a great one as well.
I don't think Detroit's O-Line is as bad as it looked last year. Detroit was a passing 1 dimensional team and the front five had a lot of pressure on them. I think if they have a good back and the right scheme then the same O-Line will play way better. Think Houston Texans in 2007, same line, no where near as many sacks.
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Last year he never said they were definatly going to win 10 games. He said with the new coaching staff he would not be suprised if they won 10 games. Thats being optimistic.
It's an issue of semantics. It's just like when Roy Williams used to say, "we should have scored 40 points" when they scored 6. It just makes him look stupid and gives people another reason to laugh at the Lions.
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the Texans didnt get sacked that often cause they didnt have Carr dropping back... He is like a walking Dummy with a sign "SACK ME"
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As a Lions fan I really can't see the Lions winning more than 5-6 games next year. Both lines are mediocre to horrible and our LB's can't cover.
As a Michigan fan, I really can't see the Lions winning more than 5-6 games for the next 5 years. Drew F$%&#%! Stanton is our future QB.
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I don't think Detroit's O-Line is as bad as it looked last year. Detroit was a passing 1 dimensional team and the front five had a lot of pressure on them. I think if they have a good back and the right scheme then the same O-Line will play way better. Think Houston Texans in 2007, same line, no where near as many sacks.
That had little to do with scheme, Carr just didn't know how to get rid of the ball.

I agree that the sacks will go down with Martz gone, but that's only accounting for one aspect of the change.
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If he was on any other team, he could say that every year, and he would eventually be right. The problem is, he plays for the Lions...
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five games isn't unlikely.

but the NFCN is way tougher than kitna thinks i think. and that's 6 games that they could very possibly lose.

and in addition, they have indy. jax. tb. tenn. and washington to beat too. that 10 games will be hard to make.

i think many flaws will be exposed without mike martz... he was honestly making this team look as good as it did last year.
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I would let him slide with this comment if they werent playing the AFC south this year, also if he didnt just get done eating those words recently...The Lions still have a ways to go, they might be looking at taking a qb rd 1 next year and Kitna might not finish the season.
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Like others said, they are still gonna be a bottom feeder until their OL and DL improve to be at least mediocre.

I predict 4 wins.
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You guys are misunderstanding him. He thinks we're going to go 3-13 and we'll have a total of 10 wins over a two year span. Much more realistic IMO.
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The funny thing is that even if the Lions attain 10 wins this season, it likely won't be Jon Kitna quarterbacking the team to most of them.

Drew Stanton will supplant him by midseason, IMO.
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You guys are misunderstanding him. He thinks we're going to go 3-13 and we'll have a total of 10 wins over a two year span. Much more realistic IMO.
Yeah... Jon's just misunderstood...

He won't even finish the season as a starter... But you know, maybe he can put in a good word with Jesus or something.
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WOW Jon's statement got taken out of context fast. But I guess thats journalism for ya. Here is how Jon really said it and how the first part got left out and now Jon is "making predictions"


GRAND RAPIDS -- Detroit Lions quarterback Jon Kitna isn't offering any bold proclamations about the team's chances for the upcoming season.

He learned his lesson last year.

Instead, Kitna repeated that reaching the 10-win plateau in 2008 remains the franchise's goal if it hopes to return to the NFL playoffs for the first time in nine years.

"I'm not making any predictions," he said with a laugh prior to signing autographs Friday night at the Arena Football League game between the Grand Rapids Rampage and Chicago Rush in front of a sellout crowd at Van Andel Arena.

"We'll be disappointed to not win 10 games. To not win 10 games means you're not in the playoffs, so that's the same expectation level we'll have this year," he added. "I'm still trying to get over the disappointment of last season."


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Jon said im not making any predictions, just that he would be dissapointed if they didnt win 10 games becuase that means they probably wouldn't make the playoffs and that is what EVERY teams expectations are. NO prediction, he just wants to make the playoffs. Hes not even predicting they will make the playoffs or anything.
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well he'll be disappointed because he thinks this team is able to do it. And well thats just not true
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GRAND RAPIDS -- Detroit Lions quarterback Jon Kitna isn't offering any bold proclamations about the team's chances for the upcoming season.

He learned his lesson last year.

Instead, Kitna repeated that reaching the 10-win plateau in 2008 remains the franchise's goal if it hopes to return to the NFL playoffs for the first time in nine years.

"I'm not making any predictions," he said with a laugh prior to signing autographs Friday night at the Arena Football League game between the Grand Rapids Rampage and Chicago Rush in front of a sellout crowd at Van Andel Arena.

"We'll be disappointed to not win 10 games. To not win 10 games means you're not in the playoffs, so that's the same expectation level we'll have this year," he added. "I'm still trying to get over the disappointment of last season."


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Jon said im not making any predictions, just that he would be dissapointed if they didnt win 10 games becuase that means they probably wouldn't make the playoffs and that is what EVERY teams expectations are. NO prediction, he just wants to make the playoffs. Hes not even predicting they will make the playoffs or anything.
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I think some people are really overrating the Lions, which is weird to say. We are definitely going to be a worse team this year than last, and the schedule is tougher. We'll go 3-13 or 4-12 in my opinion. Looking at that schedule now, I only see about 7 winnable games. And let's be honest, the Lions only win 25%-50% of their winnable games. We won't get nearly as lucky again this year (sweeping Chicago, stealing one from Tampa Bay, coming oh so close to beating the Giants).
I have to agree with you. Kitna is the problem on offense, he simply lacks the skills to utilize his great WR's and right now Marinelli wants to pound the ball but hasn't got a 1st string RB who can get the job done and there is no guarantee in the draft that they will get one.
On defense, it is pretty sad. The DL which is so crucial for a Cover 2 team cannot consistantly mount a pass rush exposing their LB and CB who play a zone, to getting beat because a zone is only effective if the QB can be limited by a pass rush in finding the open areas. Detroit cannot do that and teams will pick their defense apart.
Realistically, we are looking at 3 wins with a possible shot at 5. We are a far worse team than last year and have a tougher schedule.
It's probably Kitna's last season and his predictions are growning thin. As the season becomes another Detroit disaster, I expect to see Stanton replace him.
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I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.
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I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.
No one has said we wouldn't. The ocoord actually basically said the qb job is up for grabs. The best player will start at the qb position, I believe that. Jon is nowhere near guaranteed to be the starter.
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I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.
I don't know when the Lions bye week is this year, but if it is early on in the year as it always seems to be, then I expect Stanton to get the start the week afterwards. That seems to be how teams like to break in new QB's.

Only way Kitna keeps his job is if the Lions start off with 5 or 6 wins before the halfway point.
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I don't see why you guys wouldn't just go with Stanton from the start. The Lions aren't going anywhere this season and Kitna's on his last leg. Why move on and see what Stanton can do from the beginning? That way they should have a better judgement as to if he's the answer at QB or not.
Your talking like we are a well run organization. This is Matt Millen we are talking about and after 7 years of losing, he is hardly in a position to announce that we are startinbg another rebuilding program. In his mind after a 31 -81 record, we are on the verge of a playoff run and that is how he will approach the season as crazy as it is.
Stanton probably won't get a start until we are mathimatically eliminated from the playoffs.
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