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Old 03-24-2008, 06:20 PM    (permalink
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1. Braylon Edwards
GRADE: A+
-- After dealing with injuries and sub-par (and that's putting it lightly) QB play through his first two seasons, things finally clicked for Braylon in '07 as he developed into a top tier WR, more or less rewriting the Browns receiving records in the process.

2. Brodney Pool
GRADE: C
-- Pool was drafted at only 20 years of age, so he was still relatively raw coming into the league. His rookie season consisted mostly of special teams and spotty appearances in the secondary, which was to be expected. In '06, with Brian Russell still blocking a starting safety spot, Pool saw action all over the secondary, even notching a few starts at CB. After Russell left as a free agent following the season, most Browns fans felt Pool would breakout as he was now virtually guaranteed a starting role. Unfortunately, he put together an uneventful and mediocre '07 season and is yet to develop into the player we envisioned him becoming when he was selected with the second pick of the 2nd round.

3. Charlie Frye
GRADE: F
-- After taking over for Trent Dilfer in '05, Frye looked like your typical rookie QB, but he did show some promise and hopes were marginally high for his sophomore season in '06. That never happened as 2006 was one of the most forgetful years in Browns history. It was painfully obvious that Frye was not going to be the future as he failed to develop in any facet of the game. Somehow, someway he managed to "win" the starting job to start the '07 season only to replaced by Derek Anderson in the first game before the end of the first half. Charlie Frye was arguably the worst QB the Browns have had since '99 and that is saying a hell of a lot. Definition of an "F" player.

4. Antonio Perkins
GRADE: F
-- The selection of Perkins came as quite a surprise to Browns fans as there were still a handful of quality linemen on the board to start the 4th round. During his collegiate career, Perkins had developed into a dangerous return man and it was expected that would be his primary role with the Browns. That never happened as UDFA Josh Cribbs locked down the KR job while Dennis Northcutt maintained the PR spot. Perkins never saw the field in '05 and was only active for 5 games in '06 before he was released for good.

5. David McMillan
GRADE: D-
-- McMillan still remains on the roster, which is rather puzzling. What's more puzzling is the fact he never manages to see any kind of significant playing time. It seems that McMillan has a great training camp/preseason every year, but is never heard of after the regular season kicks off.

6A. Nick Speegle
GRADE: F
-- Speegle appeared in several games during his rookie season, but has not seen the field since. I don't even know/care if he's still on the roster to be honest.

6B. Andrew Hoffman
GRADE: F
Hoffman, or "Kegger" as he was most commonly referred to as (arrested for stealing a keg in college), came into the league as a defensive lineman who had experience in the 3-4 under Al Groh. However, he was soon moved to OG and has never seen the field in his career.

7. Jon Dunn
GRADE: F
After a very productive collegiate career at VT, I was personally ecstatic when Dunn fell to the Browns in the 7th round. Not to mention Dunn is the only person of any kind of fame to come out of my old high school. Unfortunately, I don't believe Dunn ever made it off the practice squad and was released following the season.

OVERALL GRADE: B
-- Although nearly every one of our 8 picks was a miss, the fact that Braylon Edwards has become easily a top 5 NFL WR and one of the most productive players in team history brings the grade from a very lowly "D-" or even an "F" to a "B." It's quite the jump for just one player, but you have to take into account just who that one player is. Plus, the book is still not closed on Brodney Pool. With a vastly improved DL in '08, the play of the LBs should benefit tremendously, which in turn will improve the play of the DBs. In which case, a top tier, star talent in Edwards and above average starter in Pool is more than enough for me to give this draft a "B" despite the fact the 3rd-7th rounds were a complete and utter wash.
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How do you have 5 F's, a D minus, and a C and still average a B. I would have loved for you to have been my teacher back in the day. And no Braylon doesn't warrant that big of a jump. He is good, like really good. but that should be an overall grade of like D/C- at most.
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Baltimore's 2005 Draft Class:

1) Mark Clayton - B- - He's a solid receiver who hasn't quite lived up to first round expectations. Once Derrick Mason retires, he'll take over Mason's spot, seeing as how they are very similar players.

2) Dan Cody - Incomplete - He's been injured his whole career. He played like 3 games in his 3 years.

2b) Adam Terry - B- - He's an okay starter and solid back-up.

4) Jason Brown - B+ - The most solid person on the line during the entire season. We got a steal here.

5) Justin Green - C - A good special teams player. Got beat out by LeRon McClain for the starting job at fullback.

6) Derek Anderson - A(if he was still in Baltimore) - For some reason, Brian Billick thought that Kordell Stewart & Kyle Boller were better then Anderson, who is a pro-bowl QB. -_-

7) Mike Smith - C - Solid back-up and good special teams player. We got at least some value with the pick.
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21st overall- Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas....probably should have picked up Fabian Washington or Mark Clayton...but I can see the rationale behind the selection...Matt Jones' ceiling is very high...he has just not lived up to the draft selection...GRADE: D

52nd Overall- Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington...Barnes was a rookie starter and has gotten better every year...he's had some off the field issues but those will cease...he was the best available...GRADE: B+

87th Overall- Scott Starks, CB, Wisconsin...Starks has been a real solid nickel back for us...I think that he could be a starter but I guess the Jags FO thinks otherwise...he's solid though...GRADE: B-

127th overall- Alvin Pearman, RB, Virginia...he was never really that good, he had a few nice moments and was a solid punt returner, but that's about it...he was traded to Seattle for a 5th round selection so I guess he's recouped his value...originally the pick as eh...GRADE: C+

157th Overall- Gerald Sensabaugh, SS, North Carolina...He's slated to be our starting SS but has had two shoulder surgeries in the past 6 months...he was turning into a fine player before he was injured...GRADE: C+

185th Overall- Chad Owens, WR, Hawaii...Horrible pick...he stunk all the way up to his release...horrible, horrible, horrible...GRADE: F

194th Overall- Pat Thomas, LB, NC State...was a serviceable backup until he was released last season...GRADE: D

237th overall- Chris Roberson, CB, Eastern Michigan...didn't make the team...GRADE: F
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1 29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan
2 60 Kelvin Hayden DB Illinois
3 92 Vincent Burns DE Kentucky
4 129 Dylan Gandy G Texas Tech
4 135 Matt Giordano DB California
5 148 Jonathan Welsh DE Wisconsin
5 165 Robert Hunt C North Dakota State
5 173 Tyjuan Hagler LB Cincinnati
6 202 Dave Rayner K Michigan State
7 243 Anthony Davis RB Wisconsin

Jackson and Hayden were both started in 2007 after a great run in the playoffs in 2006. Both were instrumental in making key plays-Jackson picking off Brady in the AFC Champ and Hayden with the int return for a td in the Super Bowl. Both have been significant upgrades over harper and david who lacked the tackling ability to effectively play the run and the type of Defense that Dungy insists upon. They are easily the best tandem of CBs in the Indy era of the Colts. Hayden was thought to be drafted too high for a wr turned cb in college esp since he only started one year at cb in college at Illinois.

Sweet Pea Burns was drafted to be a dt in the 4-3 and showed some quickness in training camp till he got hurt. Believe he was cut after only one year.

Gandy has been in the o line backup rotation and figures to be in the running to replace Scott on the right side this year. Giordano has been the #1 backup for both saftey postions. Welsch was thought to be in the mold of Robert Mathis, but he did not make it a full season with the Colts. Hagler looks like a steal and figures to be a starter next season.

Dave Rayner. A Kicker. Drafted by Bill Polian. Never a good sign. Nuff said about that.

Davis was hurt and as far as I know never played much.

So in all, we got 2 starting CBs, one player who figures to be out starting Guard this year, and one backup saftey/special teamer. To have drafted three players that went on to/will start for your team in three years time is good by most standards. Not the best draft of 2005, but no slouch either.

I'll say on a rating scale of good, bad, and ugly, we had a good draft.
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C & P 'ed from the Packers forum

Round 1
Aaron Rodgers A-

Picked essentially over value, Rodgers struggled in the preseason and the little playing time he had in his first 2 seasons, but showed promise in 2007. He most certainly will be the starting QB in Green Bay once Lord Favre retires.

Round 2
Nick Collins-C+
Terrence Murphy --

Collins has been solid. Nothing too flashy, doesn't seem to make a lot of mistakes but doesn't seem to make a lot of plays either. His job could be in jeopardy. Luckily for him, he's still young.

I can't really give Murphy a grade. He had good potential and what little we saw of him, but then he had that neck injury. Greg Jennings would not be on our team had Murphy stayed healthy.

Round 4
Marviel Underwood-C-
Brady Poppinga-B+

At the time safety was a huge need for us. I can't blame Thompson for picking Underwood. Unfortunately he never did too much for us, mostly with injuries to blame.

Poppinga has been a solid starter for 2 seasons now. He's not going to wow anyone with his playmaking ability, but he's a high energy guy who leaves it all on the field

Round 5
Junius Coston-C+
Mike Hawkins-D-

He has the potential and skillset to succeed in our scheme but it just hasn't happened yet. Like Collins, he's still really young and has time.

Hawkins was bad and never panned out. He was a huge project and I consider this pick a reach even in the 5th round.

Round 6
Mike Montgomery-B
Craig Bragg-D

I really like Montgomery, he just hasn't had the durability or the PT to shine. He was explosive at times this past year when he had his snaps. He's a good player for us, and fits right into our DE rotation.

Craig Bragg was blazing fast, but that's about it. On and off the practice squad for the first few months(If I'm remembering right) into the 2005 season then cut.

Round 7
Kurt Campbell-D
Will Whitticker-F

I don't remember too much about Campbell, except that he was a LB/S tweener and injuries followed him around in GB

Will Whitticker....ugh


Well this draft has given us 2 solid starters, promising QB in the wings, and a potential starter down the road in Montgomery.

Draft Grade: Solid B
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oh man, rodgers is no A. not until hes, yanno, started a game or something. hell hes played all of what...2 partial games? breaks his foot in one and does alright in the other.

thats no A....not yet anyway
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I am not usually one to start a thread like this, but this is an exception. It has been 5 years since the 2003 Draft and most players are now established pros or out of the NFL. So I thought that we should take a look back and grade out our teams selections from the 2003 Draft.
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Buffalo:
**traded for Drew Bledsoe**
Willis Mcgahee--F--gave us one good year, didnt run hard, didnt care
Chris Kelsay--D-- Isnt a good pass rusher, or run defender, just a hugh motor
Angelo Crowell--A-- Our best LB'er, very good
Terrence McGee--B-- number 1 cb, but in the past, bigger wrs handle him
Sam Aiken--f--special teamer that never contributed on offense, now on NE
Mario Haggan--c-- FA now, but a solid player
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Dallas - 1st round - Terence Newman - Pro Bowler and shutdown corner
2nd round - Al Johnson - part-time starter - decent but not spectactular - left via FA - could have taken Anquan Boldin instead :(
3rd round - Jason Witten - Pro Bowler
4th round - Bradie James - Starter
5th round - no pick
6th round - BJ Tucker - out of the league
7th round - Justin Bates - out of the league

Pretty good draft but taking Johnson instead of Boldin really hurts

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man we just keep on going back with these things....i recall doing one for this exact year already too.....maybe i can find it and dredge it up
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http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...ght=2003+draft
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Dewayne White
DE
Louisville

White was a good pick, nothing really special, but a solid player during his time here. Grade: B/B-

Chris Simms
QB
Texas

I really wanted Simms to do well, but after his ruptured spleen, he hasn't been the same. Seems liek a waste of a pick, but he did get us to the playoffs one year. Grade: C

Lance Nimmo
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West Virginia

Don't think he ever made our roster, and wasn't great even if he did. Grade: F

Austin King
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Played for us a bit during his time with us. Mostly a back up though. Grade: D+

Sean Mahan
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I liked him as a player. Don't know if he's still on our roster, but Mahan was productive when he played IMO. One of my personal favourites. Grade: B

Torrie Cox
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Pittsburgh

Useful as a return man and a dime corner. Probably the second best KR we've had in team history (behind Spurlock of course). Grade: C-

Overall Grade: C+ Ok draft, nothing great though
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Baltimore 2003 Draft Class:
1a) Terrell Suggs - A+ - Pro Bowl player, who's still only 25 years old. Great Pick.

1b) Kyle Boller - D- - The exact opposite of Terrell Suggs, in terms of on-field production. Wasted Trade with New England. ><. Damnit ><

3) Musa Smith - C - Solid 3-Down Running Back. We'll see if the FO decides to bring him back.

4a) Jarrett Johnson - C - Solid Starter, who was expected to take AD's place last year...he did an okay job, but then again you can't really expect him to replace AD.

4b) Ovie Mughelli - C+ - Solid Fullback when he was in Baltimore. Got a big pay day in Atlanta last year.

5a) Aubrayo Franklin - C- - Didn't really do that much in Baltimore. Now with the Niners.

5b) Tony Pashos - C+ - Was a serviceable starter when he was in Baltimore. Now with the Jaguars.

6a) Gerome Sapp - C - Solid back-up and good special teams player. Hopefully we re-sign him and let Jamaine Winborne walk.

Trent Smith, Mike Marby & Antwoine Sanders...never heard of.
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2nd: Taylor Jacobs, practice superstar - E: I don't think he's still playing, let alone starting.

3rd: Derrick Dockery - B-: He played well with the Redskins, unfortunatly we didn't give him the monster contract Buffalo gave him. He's still one of the better pulling guards in the NFL.

7th: Gibran Hamdan - D+: Probably one of the more notable NFL Europa players. Currently he's on the Bills, but I still think he could be a very capable backup in the NFL. I hope he turns into something decent.


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Too lazy to look it all up but knowing it was Mike Sherman draft I can safely say every pick other than Barnett was probably awful...
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Larry Johnson nuff said
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Cleveland Browns- F
I don't even have to write it down.
The best player to come out of that draft is our longsnapper. Ryan Pontbriand \/ \/ \/ \/.
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all I remember about 2005 for KC is we fell into Derrick Johnson at 15
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Green Bay
Nick Barnett- A, YAY!!! A good pick, how rare!
Kenny Peterson- F, WHO?
James Lee- F, WHO?
Hunter Hillenmeyer- F, we almost had one, but we let him go and he screwed us over when he went to chicago.
Brennan Curtin- F
The rest F!
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Raiders 2003 Draft

1st Round (pick 31) Nnamdi Asomugha "CB California"
At the time this pick was a reach he was projected late 2nd early 3rd round picking him over Mathis who was still available but all in all he turned out to be the best CB in this heavy CB class, and is turning into one of the elite shutdown corners in the league today. GRADE = A+

1st Round (pick 32) Tyler Brayton "DE Colorado"
Tyler contributed several years and gave us decent depth but for a 1st rounder he underachieved never become the pass rush and run stuffer we expected him to be. With players like Osi and Boldin getting picked in the second round definitely wasn't worth a 1st round pick, but he did give us some production.
GRADE = C

2nd Round (pick 63) Teyo Johnson "TE Stanford"
Teyo had alot of potential but like Brayton never truly lived up to what the raiders expected. Also few picks after Cowboys picked a TE out of Tennessee named Jason Witten multiple Probowl TE. Crappy luck for us! GRADE = D

3rd Round (pick 83) Sam Williams "OLB Fresno State"
Sam is still one of our linebackers today he has been solid and filled in as linebacker few years now hasn't had the numbers ud want but he has been solid would also due to having 2 pro bowl caliber linebackers next to him taking the glory in Morrison and Howard as of late. I believe he has fallen off the starting position into backup roll but to have 3rd rounder still contribute isnt too bad. Grade = C+

3rd Round (pick 96) Justin Fargas "RB USC"
He definitely was a steal then when he was projected to go in the second round. Justin has been backup to the underachieving Jordon for a few years now never being able to get his true opportunity to shine, he finally did middle of last year and showed the raiders that he is the best RB on the team. He rushed over 1000 yards while only starting little over half the games of the year. So for a late 3rd rounder this was an amazing pick i would of grade it higher but i have to see how he does this year with a full year as being the starter under his belt. GRADE = A-

4th Round (pick 129) Shurron Pierson "DE USF"
Great Athlete coming out of college but due to his size he was undersized for the DE position and never really did anything for us poped up in chicago a year later didnt do anyting as well. GRADE = F

5th Round (pick 167) Doug Gabriel "WR Central Florida"
I really liked Gabriel when he was with us i always wondered why he never got the chance to get the starting job but you had bigger names above him. Big WR with good speed, he later was traded to the patriots. I was surely thinking he would succeed in that offense never did and was cut, the raiders picked him up and seemed like a different player when he came back to us what a bummer. Grade = C-

6th Round (pick 204) Dustin Rykert "OT BYU"
Didnt do anything granted we had huge depth in the offensive line roster so it was almost impossible for him to do anything during that time why we pick a OT who knows. Grade = F

7th Round (pick 246) Siddeeq Shabazz "S New Mexico State"
Never did much for us went from team to team then i believe ended up playing in the Canadian league as a LB. Grade = F

7th Round (pick 262) Ryan Hoag "WR Gustavus Adolphus"
Mr Irrelevant this year coming from a div III he was a sleeper for many draft analysts that year coming from a small school but he didnt make the roster and kept bouncing from team to team never being able to make it on a roster. GRADE = F

Overall Grade = B-

we did got few players who contributed on depth for us and 2 / 3 starters i would of graded the overall grade lower but picking Nnamdi in the first round when he was considered a reach brought the grade to a B-

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1 Carson Palmer A+ Franchise QB
2 Eric Steinbach A Great when he played for us
3 Kelley Washington C Good ST player, no longer with the team
4a Dennis Weathersby F Who?
4b Jeremi Johnson B+ A top FB when actually in shape
5 Khalid Abdullah F Who?
6 Langston Moore F Cut by 2 teams and plays for Lions, nuff said
7a Scott Kooistra C Good depth
7b Elton Patterson F Who?

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I don't think a high second round pick deserves an A- for only ST.
Except that Burnett is our "starting" nickel linebacker, where he plays an estimated 50% of the snaps per game. An A- might be a little high for his play to this point, but I would expect him to move into a starting role in the not-so-distant future.
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Bills:

2. Roscoe Parrish- Came as a surprise to me but OK pick. Good RS. C+
3. Kevin Everett- Promising until a career ending hit. C
4. Duke Preston- Career Backup. D
5. Eric King- Spent One Year as the 5th CB. Sucked. F
6. Justin Geisinger- Spent One Year As Backup. F
7. Lionel Gates- Spent Two Years As Backup- D-
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