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Old 03-25-2008, 01:19 PM    (permalink
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For the Jags fans,

What happened to Matt Jones? I remember him creating a huge buzz during that draft, and now sort of disappeared. Does he get hurt alot? Drop balls? What's the deal with him?
He doesn't give two shits.

He's gone all-out on his routes... perhaps 5 times in his NFL career. And I'm talking individual routes, not games.

He doesn't attempt to improve his technique. He still makes the same boneheaded mistakes now that he made during his rookie year (including repeatedly attempting to make one-handed receptions).

He's totally the opposite of Reggie Williams. Reggie, though very skilled, doesn't have all-world talent like Matt does. But he's the sort of guy who puts in an extra hour with the WRs coach after every practice. That's why he'll be a major contributor for us for a long, long time.
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1.Merriman- A+
1.Castillo- A-
2.Vincent Jackson- B (soon to be A)
4.Darren Sproles- B-
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Round 1- Roy Williams, WR: B+. Great ability, inconsistent.. He often makes a great catch and then lets an easy one go through his hands. He's been good but not consistent enough to get an A grade from me.. Rumored to be wanting out of Detroit.

Round 1- Kevin Jones, RB: C+. He had a good last half of his Rookie year, but that's it.. He's been injured pretty much ever since. Real hard worker though, he runs tough and is an intense player. Never really put it together in Detroit though. Got cut a little while ago.

Round 2- Teddy Lehman, LB: D+. He had a pretty good rookie year with around 100 tackles.. Often injured. Did nothing since then.. Signed with the Bucs this offseason.

Round 3- Keith Smith, CB: D+. Didn't really do much his first few years, but he had a solid enough season last year with 50 Tackles, 3 INT's and 7 pass deflections.

Round 5- Alex Lewis, LB: D. Your average special teams guy.

Round 6- Kelly Butler, OT: D. Started for us all season at RT in 2005 by default. He did okay. Nothing special, he's on the Browns now.

Overall Grade:: C-
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2nd: Taylor Jacobs, practice superstar - E: I don't think he's still playing, let alone starting.

3rd: Derrick Dockery - B-: He played well with the Redskins, unfortunatly we didn't give him the monster contract Buffalo gave him. He's still one of the better pulling guards in the NFL.

7th: Gibran Hamdan - D+: Probably one of the more notable NFL Europa players. Currently he's on the Bills, but I still think he could be a very capable backup in the NFL. I hope he turns into something decent.


Overall: SCREW SPURRIER
LOL, the Bills have more people from the Redskins' '03 Draft than they do. We have Dockery and Hamdan.
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I hate sherman... Carroll over gamble then Sanders in 3rd...ew...
let us not forget that he traded up to snag BJ Sander....
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Wow, the Arizona Cardinals cleaned up in 2004. Probably the best draft by any team other than San Diego (Philip Rivers, Igor Olshansky, Nick Hardwick, Nate Kaeding, Shaun Phillips and Ryon Bingham while trading down from #1). Too bad the Cards haven't translated that into the nucleus of a SB level team 4 years later.

1 - WR Larry Fitzgerald: One of the top WRs in the league

2 - OLB Karlos Dansby: Big, athletic, productive, playmaker who was just given a big contract.

3 - DT Darnell Dockett: One of the best interior pass rushers in the league, a fit at DT in a 4-3 and DE in a 3-4

4 - C Alex Stepanovich: Started at center for his first three years, although got injured and didn't do enough to justify the Cards making him a contract offer. Still a good short term solution for a fourth rounder makes this agood pick.

5 - DE Antonio Smith: A very capable player that has improved every season and this year had a career year with 43 tackles and 5.5 sacks. Still just 26 and entering his prime.

6 - C Nick Leckey: The other center drafted by the Cards in '04 started 20 games over four years for the Cards and now plays for the Rams. A good choice for depth near the end of the draft.

7 - QB John Navarre: the only real miss of the draft and even he stayed on the roster for three seasons and got some game time.
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Round 1, Pick 4: Philip Rivers, QB
Grade: B+
Very controversial pick, a lot of people are very high on Rivers, a lot are very low on him. Personally I love Rivers, I think he's tough and a fierce leader, which gets overlooked a lot. He had a dominant first season as a starter, and an average second one. Whether or not he ever reaches "elite" status is to be debated, but there's no question he's a leader and a starting QB in the NFL, which is why I think he deserves a B+, especially considering the trade.

Round 2, Pick 35 Igor Olshansky, DE
Grade: B+
Igor is the prototypical 3-4 Defensive End, and plays with an intensity most players don't have. He runs his mouth a little bit, but lets not hide it, we're the Chargers, that stuff happens. Overall his production has been great and he's a key piece to the defense which has been strong and a big part of our success down the stretch.

Round 3, Pick 65: Nate Kaeding, K
Grade: B+
Kaeding is automatic under 50 yards, and not bad from about the 52 yard mark. After that its up in the air, as leg strength is his most obvious weakness and his reputation in the playoffs. However, this year he played with a broken plant leg in the playoffs and still managed to rack up 4 field goals in a tough New England environment, as well as enjoying a lot of regular seaosn success.

Round 3, Pick 66 Nick Hardwick, C
Grade: A
Taken in the third round, Hardwick has been a great Center, and one of the best in the NFL. He's a great blocker and a leader on the offensive line, to see how much, just look at the stretch where he wasn't active because of injury, and see how much blitz pickup suffered.

Round 4, Pick 98: Shaun Phillips, OLB
Grade: A
I'm weary of giving an A+ which is why Phillips has just an A, but for a player taken in the routh round, Phillips has dominated, and been a key piece to our defense. He generates great pressure opposite Merriman, and always seems to be in the right place in the clutch. Excellent value, and an excellent player.

Round 5, Pick 133: Dave Ball, DE
Grade: F
The first miss of this draft, Ball was off the roster by 2005

Round 5, Pick 154: Michael Turner, RB
Grade: A
Michael Turner has been one of, if not the best backup RB in the NFL over the past two years. He helped spell LT and perserve his career, get him rest, etc., plus he put away Indy in 2005 in that memorable game to snap their unbeaten streak. Now off the roster, which is why I didn't give the A+, for a fifth rounder, Turner was a huge hit.

Round 6, Pick 169: Ryan Krause, TE
Grade: D
He was on the roster for a bunch of years, always injured, but always seemed to shine in that last, irrelevant game of the year. Overall ended up getting cut, and had some off the field issues. The second bad pick of the draft.

Round 7, Pick 204: Ryan Bingham, DE/DT
Grade: B
Bingham isn't a great, or even dominant backup, but when Jamal or one of the Defensive Ends goes down he does "good enough" to keep the chemistry of the defense flowing until the other players can get back out there. 7th rounder still on the roster as a backup is pretty solid.

Round 7, Pick 209: Shane Olivea, OT
Grade: B+
Olivea was just released this year after starting to slow down a little bit, but while he was hear he completed one of the best O-Lines in recent memory in 2006. To find a starting RT at round 7 who can perform adequately is pretty impressive, making this a pretty good pick.

Round 7, Pick 204: Carlos Joseph, OT
Grade: F
Never did anything

UDFA: While these don't count, especially since Wes Welker ended up leaving since he didn't want the practice squad, AJ did pickup and spot Welker's talent, which is just kind of a fun fact.

Overall: A
This draft is where AJ Smith brokeout as a GM: Philip Rivers, Igor Olshansky, Nate Kaeding, Nick Hardwick, Shaun Phillips, Michael Turner, Ryan Bigham and Shane Olivea make a pretty nice draft class, especiall when you consider we also netted the picks that got us Shawne Merriman and Roman Oben for a couple years.
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LOL, the Bills have more people from the Redskins' '03 Draft than they do. We have Dockery and Hamdan.
Good, take em all.

I don't want my Redskins being team Florida.
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Good, take em all.

I don't want my Redskins being team Florida.
I'll take Dockery every day. I think he only let up like 1.5 sacks last year and as you said is a great pulling guard. Hamdan looks good holding that clipboard:)
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1. Kellen Winslow
GRADE: A
-- After missing nearly all of his rookie season with a broken leg and the entire 2005 season following the motorcycle incident, the odds were definitely stacked against Kellen becoming anywhere close to the player he was in college. Thankfully enough for Browns fans, there may not be a player in the league with as much heart and determination as K2. Unfortunately, it's not likely he's going to last much longer in the league. As long as he can play though, he's going to keep busting his ass and performing at a high level.

2. Sean Jones
GRADE: B
Jones tore his ACL during the preseason of '04 and then only saw limited action the following year. However, he seemingly came out of nowhere in '06 to earn a starting safety spot (beating out the favored Brodney Pool in the process). Jones put together a fantastic season, notching over 100 tackles, picking off 5 passes, and becoming an enforcer in the secondary. Another solid season in '07 has established Jones as a legit player.

4. Luke McCown
GRADE: D-
After Jeff Garcia went down, McCown took over the starting job and looked extremely unimpressive. Granted, the team around him was equally as terrible, so whatever. He was traded to Tampa Bay the following April during the draft.

5. Amon Gordon
GRADE: F
Played in a handful of games in '04 and was inactive for all of the '05 season before being released.

6. Kirk Chambers
GRADE: D-
Actually appeared in several games between the '04 and '05 seasons. Of course he played terrible, though. Eventually released.

7. Adimchinobe Echemandu
GRADE: F
He managed to stay on the roster for the year and saw limited action near the end of the season. That's really just a testament to just how pathetic that 2004 roster really was, though. I believe he was released following the year.

OVERALL GRADE: B-
The only players worth a damn obviously have been Winslow and Jones. Both remain key players for the team and are two of the extremely few players that remain from the Butch Davis era. Thankfully, this was the final draft under Davis.

*Some of you people criticizing these overall grades need to fine tune your line of thinking. I've seen several "how can it be a B if you have all of those Fs?" type of responses. Are you serious? It's not hard to realize that if you come away with a good player with an early pick, it's greatly going to outweigh bad picks from the second day. If you have a game changer such as a Kellen Winslow or Braylon Edwards, you don't devalue those picks just because you missed on late round picks. You grade the draft as a whole, yes, but you have to take into account just who you got. It's really not that hard to understand.
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1 25 25 William Joseph DT Miami
2 24 56 Osi Umenyiora DE Troy St.
3 27 91 Vishante Shiancoe TE Morgan St.
4 26 123 Rod Babers DB Texas
5 25 160 David Diehl G Illinois
6 26 199 Willie Ponders WR SEMS
6 34 207 Frank Walker DB Tuskegee
6 38 211 David Tyree WR Syracuse
7 26 240 Charles Drake DB Michigan
7 35 249 Wayne Lucier C Colorado
7 41 255 Kevin Walter WR E. Mich




1. Bust
2. Homerun
3 Ok player, got over paid in FA
4 Bust
5 Great player, very versatile!
6 Servicable player
6 ok player. I liked him, but not alot of giants fans did
6 Great special teamer, and wish he got more wr time, even before his big catch. Hopefully he can get a shot now.
7 Bust
7 Bust
7 Bust
Don't know how you can call Kevin Walter a bust. He caught 65 balls last year for 800 yards and 4 Td's for the Texans last year and was a 7th round pick.
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He doesn't attempt to improve his technique. He still makes the same boneheaded mistakes now that he made during his rookie year (including repeatedly attempting to make one-handed receptions).
Yeah, but that allowed him to get the "spectacular catch" weapon Madden. Man, some of the weapons they give people on that game are ridiculous.
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1. Braylon Edwards
GRADE: A+
-- After dealing with injuries and sub-par (and that's putting it lightly) QB play through his first two seasons, things finally clicked for Braylon in '07 as he developed into a top tier WR, more or less rewriting the Browns receiving records in the process.

2. Brodney Pool
GRADE: C
-- Pool was drafted at only 20 years of age, so he was still relatively raw coming into the league. His rookie season consisted mostly of special teams and spotty appearances in the secondary, which was to be expected. In '06, with Brian Russell still blocking a starting safety spot, Pool saw action all over the secondary, even notching a few starts at CB. After Russell left as a free agent following the season, most Browns fans felt Pool would breakout as he was now virtually guaranteed a starting role. Unfortunately, he put together an uneventful and mediocre '07 season and is yet to develop into the player we envisioned him becoming when he was selected with the second pick of the 2nd round.

3. Charlie Frye
GRADE: F
-- After taking over for Trent Dilfer in '05, Frye looked like your typical rookie QB, but he did show some promise and hopes were marginally high for his sophomore season in '06. That never happened as 2006 was one of the most forgetful years in Browns history. It was painfully obvious that Frye was not going to be the future as he failed to develop in any facet of the game. Somehow, someway he managed to "win" the starting job to start the '07 season only to replaced by Derek Anderson in the first game before the end of the first half. Charlie Frye was arguably the worst QB the Browns have had since '99 and that is saying a hell of a lot. Definition of an "F" player.

4. Antonio Perkins
GRADE: F
-- The selection of Perkins came as quite a surprise to Browns fans as there were still a handful of quality linemen on the board to start the 4th round. During his collegiate career, Perkins had developed into a dangerous return man and it was expected that would be his primary role with the Browns. That never happened as UDFA Josh Cribbs locked down the KR job while Dennis Northcutt maintained the PR spot. Perkins never saw the field in '05 and was only active for 5 games in '06 before he was released for good.

5. David McMillan
GRADE: D-
-- McMillan still remains on the roster, which is rather puzzling. What's more puzzling is the fact he never manages to see any kind of significant playing time. It seems that McMillan has a great training camp/preseason every year, but is never heard of after the regular season kicks off.

6A. Nick Speegle
GRADE: F
-- Speegle appeared in several games during his rookie season, but has not seen the field since. I don't even know/care if he's still on the roster to be honest.

6B. Andrew Hoffman
GRADE: F
Hoffman, or "Kegger" as he was most commonly referred to as (arrested for stealing a keg in college), came into the league as a defensive lineman who had experience in the 3-4 under Al Groh. However, he was soon moved to OG and has never seen the field in his career.

7. Jon Dunn
GRADE: F
After a very productive collegiate career at VT, I was personally ecstatic when Dunn fell to the Browns in the 7th round. Not to mention Dunn is the only person of any kind of fame to come out of my old high school. Unfortunately, I don't believe Dunn ever made it off the practice squad and was released following the season.

OVERALL GRADE: B
-- Although nearly every one of our 8 picks was a miss, the fact that Braylon Edwards has become easily a top 5 NFL WR and one of the most productive players in team history brings the grade from a very lowly "D-" or even an "F" to a "B." It's quite the jump for just one player, but you have to take into account just who that one player is. Plus, the book is still not closed on Brodney Pool. With a vastly improved DL in '08, the play of the LBs should benefit tremendously, which in turn will improve the play of the DBs. In which case, a top tier, star talent in Edwards and above average starter in Pool is more than enough for me to give this draft a "B" despite the fact the 3rd-7th rounds were a complete and utter wash.

First of all I know he wasnt drafted, but you have to include Joshua Cribbs. He was an undrafted FA pick-up for the Browns.

I think our draft grade after including Cribbs should be a C-.

"and one of the most productive players in team history brings the grade from a very lowly "D-" or even an "F" to a "B." "

Braylon is great, but did tie for #1 in the NFL this year for dropped passes with 12, one of them even cost us the Pittsburg game. Which in turn would have put us in the playoffs. And the Browns have had a pretty productive history so to say hes one of the most productive in his first season as a NON bust in pretty durastic. Lets just wait and see before we go there....

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1. Jeff Faine
GRADE: C
-- Faine was a decent player for us, but just didn't seem to fit well in the AFC North. His game is not suited for a power run offense, which we tried to instill. Going against the likes of Casey Hampton and the other big time DTs of the division didn't help either. He was eventually traded to New Orleans following the LeCharles Bentley signing where he became a very solid player. He just signed the largest contract ever for a center as well, so the guy's definitely a quality lineman. Just didn't work out well in Cleveland.

2. Chaun Thompson
GRADE: C
-- Thompson managed to stick around for 5 seasons and saw some extensive playing time along the way before being relegated to special teams in 2006. He has excellent physical qualities, but things never materialized for him in Cleveland. Now that he's in Houston and will be able to settle into a set role for a change, I expect he'll finally breakout.

3. Chris Crocker
GRADE: C
-- Crocker was actually a decent player for the Browns in the three seasons he was here. He was nothing special, but he played alright and started a lot of games in the secondary. He was eventually traded to Atlanta for a 4th round pick, so he didn't lose too much value in those three years.

4. Lee Suggs
GRADE: C-
-- As a VT fan, I was extremely excited when we were able to land Suggs on the second day. We had just drafted William Green in the 1st round the previous year and he was coming off a very nice rookie season, but there was just too much value in Suggs to pass up at that point. He didn't play until the end of the season in '04 as he was on the PUP list I believe, but capped it off with a monster finale against Cincinnati, which in turn eliminated them from the playoffs. He then missed several games with injury the next year, but still put up some quality numbers. That was pretty much it for Suggs as a Brown. He constantly battled injuries, namely turf toe, and just couldn't stay healthy.

5A. Ryan Pontbriand
GRADE: B
-- We actually drafted a long snapper. In the 5th round. At the time, it was considered one of the worst picks in draft history. Ironically, Pontbriand is the only player left from this class and made the Pro Bowl this past season. What was panned as a laughable pick became one of Butch Davis' best. Go figure.

5B. Michael Lehan
GRADE: C-
Another player who actually was relatively decent for the Browns given his draft spot. He stuck around for three years playing in several games during that stretch.

6. Antonio Garay
GRADE: F
Never even saw the field as a Brown.

OVERALL GRADE: D
Granted, a few decent players were drafted, but this was by all means a HORRIBLE draft. Other than Pontbriand, none of these players remained with the Browns for very long and all had limited impact. A very typical Butch Davis draft. Although it should be noted Leigh Bodden was picked up as a UDFA.
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I like Lee Suggs, too bad he couldnt stay healthy
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Roddy White and Michael Boley we our stars. Nice to get 2 stars out of a draft. We got a couple of good role players as well. Pretty good draft.
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1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska C+
2. Stanford Routt, CB, Houston C+
3a. Andrew Walter, QB, Arizona State D
3b. Kirk Morrison, LB, San Diego State A-
6a. Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin F
6b. Ryan Riddle, LB, California F
6c. Pete McMahon, OT, Iowa F

Overall: Got a good starting MLB and 2 above average CB's
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1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California A+
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado D
2. Teyo Johnson, TE, Stanford F
3a. Sam Williams, DE, Fresno State C-
3b. Justin Fargas, RB, USC C+
4. Shurron Pierson, LB, South Florida F
5. Doug Gabriel, WR, Central Florida D-
6. Dustin Rykert, T, BYU F
7a. Sideeq Shabazz, S, New Mexico State F
7b. Ryan Hoag, WR Gustavus Adolphus F
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1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa D+
2. Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech C-
3. Stuart Schweigert, S, Purdue C-
4. Carlos Francis, WR, Texas Tech D-
5. Johnnie Morant, WR, Syracuse F
6a. Shawn Johnson, DE, Delaware F
6b. Cody Spencer, LB, North Texas F
7a. Courtney Anderson, TE, San Jose State D-
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1 1 (1) Eli Manning Qb Ole Miss- A
Eli is our franchise Qb. Although it has taken him a couple of years to really get going- he is one of the primary reasons for our success this past season. He struggles sometimes and is somewhat inconsistent, but based on this past seasons playoffs, there is no reason to believe he will not be like that all the time.

2 2(34) Chris Snee SG BC- B+/A-
I was intially hesitant about Snee because he knocked up Coughlins daughter, which is why I thought there was a conflict of interest. But Snee has turned into a pro-bowl caliber guard.

4 1(97) Reggie Torbor OLB Auburn- C+/B-
Torbor is a very fast, speedy linebacker, that had trouble in his first couple of years getting a real mastery of the position. When he did play a couple of years ago, he seemed like nothing more than a backup. However this past year on our super bowl run he filled in fabulously for Kiwi. But who knows if that success can continue in Miami

5 4(136) Gibril Wilson S Tenneesee- B+
Wilson unfortunately left us because he wanted top dollars which we would not give him. He had a great rookie season but his 2nd and 3rd seasons in the league, i thought he had lost a step. But this past year he solidified himself, and also had to cover for mistakes by James Butler a lot so had double duty.

6 3(168) Jamaar Taylor WR Texas A & M- F

7 2(203) Andrew Strojny OT Duke- F

7 52(253) Compensatory Issac Hilton DT Hampton- F

Rounds 6 and 7 were a wash, but the first 4 players turned out to be quality/pro bowl type caliber starters
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What would have Eli been rated if this thread was started last November ?
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We grabbed DeAngelo Hall, who will be a shutdown cornerback for us for many years. Oh, wait...
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Ronnie Brown: (B+) Was the league best back thru the 1st 6 or so games last season and showed why he was the number 2 overall pick. He has had some injury problems but when healthy, he showed he has what it takes to be an elite NFL back. Improved every year and broke out last season prior to injury.

Matt Roth: (C) Shined as a backup and role player thru his 1st 2 seasons but was over his head as a starter last season. He will be given another shot and seems likely to improve with more experience but right now he is an average pick. Solid player but nothing more then situational and depth, you expect more for a high 2nd rounder.

Channing Crowder: (A) He blew up during his rookie year and was one of the best young LBs in the league. He has continued to be a solid LB and doesn't miss many tackles, but he hasn't make many plays either. He's solid and he is definately a good starting NFL LB but our fans think he's capable of getting to the next level. So far tho, getting a solid starting LB in round 3 is a good pickup.

Travis Daniels: (D): Played well his rookie season and since then it's been way downhill. He gets hurt alot, he was moved from CB to S and then back to CB and has yet to find a full time spot because he has been so bad at everything. I'll be surprised if Ireland keeps him around.

Anthony Alabi: (F) He has being developed as a potential RT of the future for us. Except coaches missed the fact that he sucked every time he touched the field. He was our swing OT during the years that our OL was the leagues worse and while people raved about him in practice, he sucked in games. We let him go this offseason.

Kevin Vickerson: (F) Was on the PS for 2 years and then let go. Wasted pick.

Overall, I'd give this draft a solid B-. Ronnie Brown and Channing Crowder are basically the only young cornerstones this team has going foward and Matt Roth has turned into a solid role player (When he's not forced to start). Getting 2 starters and a solid backup out of 6 picks is nothing to scoff at. Solid draft overall.
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Vernon Carey, LT: (A) He turned out to be a solid pickup. Played well at OG his rookie season, then moved to RT for a couple years where he was on his way to being one of the leagues best. Held his own last season at LT. Had lapses at times but didn't get help from the LG either. With another year under his belt, he could move into the top half of the leagues starting LTs.

Will Poole, CB: (D-) Was solid and had alot of promise until injuries killed his career.

Tony Bua, LB: (F) Was out of the league in a handful of years but type his name into youtube and you'll see one of the hardest hits of this past decade against the Rams. Too bad hitting was all he did.

Rex Hadnot, OG/C: (A) We let him walk this season because he was asking for more then he was worth but getting a 4 year starter at OG and C out of a 6th round pick is worth an A in itself.

Tony Pape, OT: (F) Career PS journeyman.

Derrick Pope, LB: (B+) He was a solid 4th/5th LB and has a nice niche on ST for us. Has craved out a decent career for himself doing the dirty work. Walked this offseason because he isn't a fit for the Parcells scheme but he was solid while he was here and did exactly what you hope a 7th round pick would do.
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Ben Roethlisberger A-


Ricardo Colclough F


Max Starks C+


Nathaniel Adibi F


Bo Lacy F

Eric Taylor F


Total Grade C+

Wow other than Ben this was truly awfull
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