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They didn't overpay for Hall. The other three yes.
They overpaid those three so much that I'm pretty sure Hall is overpaid by association.
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How are they going to afford their first rounder too? Jeez.

Did Al fall asleep and forget about the draft?
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I think this is a good signing. Chris Clemons wasn't anything special either, yet in specialized pass rushing situations he was able to be successful. The Raiders are looking to have Kalimba Edwards take this spot, allowing starter Jay Richardson to rotate out on 3rd downs. Edwards isn't going to be a starter and he isn't going to be expected to be that either. Setting him up for success (keeping him off the field if he's not going to go pin his ears back and rush the passer to keep him fresh and one-track minded) could get him 5-6 sacks next year...

At 2 years, $5 million total, this is a fine signing.
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How are they going to afford their first rounder too? Jeez.

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Yeah, because 2 years, $5 million is so steep of a price.

Are you kidding me????? Come on now...
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i am so glad the days of having to justify stupid moves my team makes is over
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Yeah, because 2 years, $5 million is so steep of a price.

Are you kidding me????? Come on now...
When you factor in your other offseason signings then yes, this does affect your ability to sign other players.
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i am so glad the days of having to justify stupid moves my team makes is over
Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El aren't that long ago...
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When you factor in your other offseason signings then yes, this does affect your ability to sign other players.
I think they're pretty close to done signing players, and they have some cuts to make yet.
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When you factor in your other offseason signings then yes, this does affect your ability to sign other players.
We've been saying this after every move the Raiders make, and then they go out and make another move. Who else could they possibly go out and get after this anyway?

The Raiders are pushing all their chips onto the table. We understand this. It will probably backfire. We understand this. Stop pointing it out.
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When you factor in your other offseason signings then yes, this does affect your ability to sign other players.
No, it doesn't. The fact is that Kalimba Edwards who could be a solid situational player will likely count less that 2% against the Raiders' total cap. And when discussing contracts at $30-40 million, a cap hit of less that $2.5 million is no big deal at all. In fact it's a good deal.
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I think the Raiders are gonna surprise people...it's real easy to kick a franchise for spending money after sucking for a few years...
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They had money. They are using it to win more games. I don't see the issue. I don't like the Javon Walker money amount but the signing is fine, and DeAngelo Hall was an outstanding move. They need more pass rush so they get Kalimba Edwards. They needed a safety to pair with Huff so they went out and got Wilson, even if the price was bad. The only thing I have an issue with his Tommy Kelly, who has no great accomplishment in his career and is now the highest paid defensive tackle in the history of the NFL.
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Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El aren't that long ago...
Actually they are
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Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El aren't that long ago...
You could have said Archuletta, but Randle El actually produces. On the other hand, Ceratto has taken this team a complete 180. He refused to offer an extra 750k-1.5m to bring in Hackett. We have every starter from a playoff team last year returning + a full arsenal of draft picks + cap space.

Unfortunately for the Raiders, Al Davis hasn't figured this out yet.

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No, it doesn't. The fact is that Kalimba Edwards who could be a solid situational player will likely count less that 2% against the Raiders' total cap. And when discussing contracts at $30-40 million, a cap hit of less that $2.5 million is no big deal at all. In fact it's a good deal.
No matter what anyone thinks, Davis knows he has to pay his draft pick, he knows there is a cap. These moves may blow up in his face, but he knows he has to pay his draft pick/ And for anyone to suggest otherwise is a lame attempt at humor.
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No matter what anyone thinks, Davis knows he has to pay his draft pick, he knows there is a cap. These moves may blow up in his face, but he knows he has to pay his draft pick/ And for anyone to suggest otherwise is a lame attempt at humor.
gosh... Imagine Al Davis with his cap blown into space... he'd have to wear some kind of mask to hide his horribly mangled face... And live secluded in castle...

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Exactly. obliviously I wasn't implying just this signing alone.
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The only thing I have an issue with his Tommy Kelly, who has no great accomplishment in his career and is now the highest paid defensive tackle in the history of the NFL.
Was the highest paid, until Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins both got 20 million guaranteed. Besides, before Kelly was temporarily made the highest paid defensive tackle, the holder of the title was Corey Redding (he of the one sack last year).

Honestly, the Lions deal with Redding was the cornerstone of Kelly's negotiation, and Kelly doesn't even made over 5 million a year in base salary until 2011.
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He's an improvement over Tyler Brayton who had something like 7 sacks in 76 games or something that ridiculous.
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... still he's not worth getting too excited about.
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Tyler Brayton isnt exactly what u'd like to call a pass rusher
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Was the highest paid, until Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins both got 20 million guaranteed. Besides, before Kelly was temporarily made the highest paid defensive tackle, the holder of the title was Corey Redding (he of the one sack last year).

Honestly, the Lions deal with Redding was the cornerstone of Kelly's negotiation, and Kelly doesn't even made over 5 million a year in base salary until 2011.
But Corey Redding had an outstanding 2006. He had like eight sacks, and when he played us he tore the Falcons up.
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But Corey Redding had an outstanding 2006. He had like eight sacks, and when he played us he tore the Falcons up.
Redding probably deserved it more than Kelly, but Redding's production was directly linked with how well Shaun Rogers was playing at the time.

I'm just saying, I can guarantee that the Redding deal was the starting point for the Kelly negotiations.
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Redding probably deserved it more than Kelly, but Redding's production was directly linked with how well Shaun Rogers was playing at the time.
I disagree. I don't see how it could've been directly linked with Shaun Rogers' play. Shaun Rogers only played in played in the first 6 games of last season. Redding did almost all of his damage last season after Shaun Rogers was shut down for the season (injury and suspension). He recorded 1 sack in the Lions' first six games and 7 sacks and 2 forced fumbles in the final 10 games.
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I disagree. I don't see how it could've been directly linked with Shaun Rogers' play. Shaun Rogers only played in played in the first 6 games of last season. Redding did almost all of his damage last season after Shaun Rogers was shut down for the season (injury and suspension). He recorded 1 sack in the Lions' first six games and 7 sacks and 2 forced fumbles in the final 10 games.
You mean 2006, yeah?

You're absolutely right. I didn't pay enough attention to Detroit that year.
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