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Old 04-03-2008, 12:57 PM    (permalink
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Just because the past was mediocre, it doesn't excuse present poor play and lack of results. Lewis hasn't made this team better in his tenure, and he's had more than a fair shot. The defense is just as bad as when he arrived, and his team doesn't play well together.
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Just because the past was mediocre, it doesn't excuse present poor play and lack of results. Lewis hasn't made this team better in his tenure, and he's had more than a fair shot. The defense is just as bad as when he arrived, and his team doesn't play well together.
Well no ****, but that's why he has a longer leash. That's the way it goes. You have two losing seasons in Dallas you're fired, you have two losing seasons in Cincy and you're not.
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His record isn't much better than .500, and the team isn't ready to challenge for the division or the playoffs. Why keep Lewis on when more average records can be expected?
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Just because the past was mediocre, it doesn't excuse present poor play and lack of results. Lewis hasn't made this team better in his tenure, and he's had more than a fair shot. The defense is just as bad as when he arrived, and his team doesn't play well together.
He hasn't made the team better? He's not perfect, obviously but come on... We were 2-14 since he took over and last year was our first losing season under him.

This year (excluding the 2003 season) has been the one where he made the biggest changes. If they don't get it done this year, I'll be calling for him to be fired (which won't happen). Mike Brown has some long leashes on coaches, we've had much worse here for longer than they should be. I'd say Marvin, if he wants to be, is here the next 2 years at least.

How is this team not ready to challenge for the division/playoffs? I mean, I'm not saying we're getting in by any means but they're easily capable of it. The Steelers schedule won't be an easy one and since Marvin has been here we've owned the Ravens and Browns.
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He hasn't made the team better? He's not perfect, obviously but come on... We were 2-14 since he took over and last year was our first losing season under him.

This year (excluding the 2003 season) has been the one where he made the biggest changes. If they don't get it done this year, I'll be calling for him to be fired (which won't happen). Mike Brown has some long leashes on coaches, we've had much worse here for longer than they should be. I'd say Marvin, if he wants to be, is here the next 2 years at least.

How is this team not ready to challenge for the division/playoffs? I mean, I'm not saying we're getting in by any means but they're easily capable of it. The Steelers schedule won't be an easy one and since Marvin has been here we've owned the Ravens and Browns.
I think the offense has come a long way, but even that stalled last season at times. The defense was very good in 2005, but after that, it has fallen off significantly. I can't think of a major playmaker on the Bengals defense. I don't think they have a cohesive unit. I don't think they can be counted on to stop anyone. I don't think they generate enough pressure to account for their secondary.

At the end of the day, the Bengals' D is a mess. If you can't stop anyone, you likely can't keep up with enough good teams to win in this league. I don't necessarily see that changing.

As for your claim about losing seasons, 8-8 isn't a winning season either...
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yeah Chad has no idea what he wants. he's just acting like a baby bc he feels hurt that the media is blaming him for their problems.

I think if you were to ask him what would change his mind though, it would be firing Marvin Lewis, which i felt shouldve been done this year. Lewis probably has this year to save his ass, or he's gonezo.
I think Chad wants the front office to show a commitment to winning and signing quality players to get them further. The biggest offseason signing was Utecht.

They lost Landon Johnson, Madieu Williams and Justin Smith and picked up a bunch of special teamers to replace them. Granted these guys are not exactly game breakers, but these guys all started last year and are ok players.

When you consider the perennial playoff team that the steelers are, the improvements that the browns made this offseason, and the high draft pick and coaching changes that the Ravens made, it seems everyone is making big changes to improve their team except for the Bengals. I can see where Chad thinks that something needs to change and the Bengals aren't really doing much.
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I know it sounds terrible but around here if you aren't having a losing season you aren't going to get a lot of complaints. I'm not ready to give up on Marvin but it's really time to prove something.

I agree about lack of defensive playmakers. Tory James was, then he got old. Odell was, then he got drunk. Ahmad Brooks was supposed to be, then he got hurt. I know it's a lame excuse but luck has plagued this defense a great deal, it should still be playing together. The run D has come around. We've just got no pass rush so the secondary gets screwed over.

Void of injuries and Odell/Henry (who I honestly think at the time were good risks), Marvin has done a pretty solid job of drafting. Really Keiwan Ratliff (2nd round) is the only player that's kind of flamed out as an early pick.

Chinedum Ndukwe in the 7th last year was an amazing pick, Domata Peko as a 4th rounder turned out great. I'd like a chance to see what this defense can do with whoever we draft and Ahmad/Odell out there.

Marvin has quickly turned into a no nonsense kind of guy and is placing his priorities in different places. Last year, I wanted Breshnahan canned but Marvin kept blaming the players. This year, he fires him and places full emphasis on the Dline and generating a pass rush.

I guess I'm saying it's reasonable to criticize Marvin but he's not sitting idle (at this point) and is trying to change things around here. Given what it's turned into, I don't think he could handle the Chad situation any better than he has.
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It's too late to make a coaching change now. It had to be done quickly after the season or not at all. Marvin has the pieces to play a decent Tampa-2 D (like BBD suggested). If he sticks with a standard scheme and lets his players play, he has a chance. That offense is still potent.
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I think Chad wants the front office to show a commitment to winning and signing quality players to get them further. The biggest offseason signing was Utecht.

They lost Landon Johnson, Madieu Williams and Justin Smith and picked up a bunch of special teamers to replace them. Granted these guys are not exactly game breakers, but these guys all started last year and are ok players.

When you consider the perennial playoff team that the steelers are, the improvements that the browns made this offseason, and the high draft pick and coaching changes that the Ravens made, it seems everyone is making big changes to improve their team except for the Bengals. I can see where Chad thinks that something needs to change and the Bengals aren't really doing much.
LOL... You really think Chad is in this for winning? It's all about money, so many people have stated it. He's said he wants a new deal but not from the Bengals. He's got thin skin and he wants to run to get paid elsewhere. Landon Johnson and Justin Smith are amazingly average players. Madieu Williams never lived up to his potential after he got injured, Chinedum Ndukwe (a 7th round rookie) outplayed him last year. We brought in a pass rusher (Odom) to replace Smith, we need pass rush more than anything... The run D hasn't been bad of late. Landon is a good backup, you don't want to have to rely on him starting. We've signed a new D coordinator and have a top 10 pick, we get Odell Thurman and Ahmad Brooks back. That's a pretty one sided analysis you made.

We've owned the Browns/Ravens the past few years, the Steelers have our number.
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At least Henry doesn't shoot at people... Henry just gets drunk, fights people and then drives home while intoxicated
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This should be Marvin's final chance IMO. he's been screwed with some bad luck but if the defense doesn't prove itself i say cya later. we have a nice young group of guys and with a good draft they could be a top 15 D. Mike Brown won't let Marvin go until his contract is up though.
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What the ****? You have faith in pacman because he's your favorite player.

And whoever is saying run a tampa 2...I agree.
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I'm convinced that someone will take a chance on Henry.
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I agree with Brent. That doesn't mean he deserves a dang thing.
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the sad thing is, after his suspension, he'll walk right back into the NFL. teams always take a chance on talent. if pacman has a chance of getting back in even with all his drama, Henry will get his chance too.
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Looks like he was getting into trouble last week too and got some his boys in trouble.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/15778442/detail.html

"Meanwhile, News 5 has learned of an incident at BANG Nightclub last week.

The club released a statement on Thursday that said, "On March 30 around 1 a.m., there were incidents involving members of the Cincinnati Bengals Football team at BANG Nightclub. Chris Henry, Chris Perry and Domata Peko were escorted out by police at the close of the club. Charges have not been filed, pending the settlement of punitive damages."
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This guy is a thug.

He needs to be banned from the NFL.
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Looks like he was getting into trouble last week too and got some his boys in trouble.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/15778442/detail.html

"Meanwhile, News 5 has learned of an incident at BANG Nightclub last week.

The club released a statement on Thursday that said, "On March 30 around 1 a.m., there were incidents involving members of the Cincinnati Bengals Football team at BANG Nightclub. Chris Henry, Chris Perry and Domata Peko were escorted out by police at the close of the club. Charges have not been filed, pending the settlement of punitive damages."
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Just because the past was mediocre, it doesn't excuse present poor play and lack of results. Lewis hasn't made this team better in his tenure, and he's had more than a fair shot. The defense is just as bad as when he arrived, and his team doesn't play well together.
What? Lewis hasn't made the team better? Funny, I haven't heard or seen a "Bungles" reference in quite some time, and they actually, you know, have hope of winning more than 5 games in any given season. I'd like to see how his defense does if and/or when they get Pollack and Thurman back.
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Henry is more of an idiot than a thug, I mean, when he's at a mall or out getting food he's always golden to the fans. He just, well, does incredibly stupid things.
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What? Lewis hasn't made the team better? Funny, I haven't heard or seen a "Bungles" reference in quite some time, and they actually, you know, have hope of winning more than 5 games in any given season. I'd like to see how his defense does if and/or when they get Pollack and Thurman back.
Okay, so instead of pure crap and a laughingstock, the standard is now mediocrity and league-average. I guess that's better, but I don't see the team in a position to win the division next year. Just doesn't seem like the team is ready to rally behind him. Could be best for everyone if Marvin had been replaced.
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WHAT???? i dont remember the raiders signing any of em
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That is the range of emotions former Cincinnati Bengals receiver Chris Henry says he's feeling right now as he awaits trial for misdemeanor charges of assault and word from the NFL whether he will play again in 2008.
In his first public comments since being released by the Bengals, Henry said he is excited about Tuesday's court ruling that he will be allowed to visit other NFL teams. As of Wednesday afternoon, no official visits were scheduled. But Henry mentioned a pair of teams at the top of his wish list. "There are two teams that I would always love to play for: That's New Orleans and Dallas," Henry said. "New Orleans is home for me. That's always been a big dream of mine. Hopefully I can get in there and sit down with the coaches and maybe have an opportunity to get down there. And Dallas is another team that I've always looked up to as a kid and wanted to play for them." It is unknown at this point if either the Saints or the Cowboys want to meet with Henry, who says he is keeping his options open and "willing to visit whoever is interested." He will be required to show the Hamilton County (Ohio) Court a letter from the team for which he is trying out before being permitted to travel. Henry contends he is in decent football shape. He spent approximately four weeks in Cincinnati's offseason workout program before being released. But house arrest admittedly has hurt him recently in that regard. For legal reasons, Henry is not allowed to discuss his upcoming trial but expressed remorse for it leading to his release in Cincinnati. "It kind of hurt being cut, because I had planned on being in Cincinnati for a while, a long time really," Henry said. "I was kind of disappointed for just putting myself in that situation. But things happen and I just got to move on now. Hopefully I can get picked up by somebody else and just prove myself to the next team." Henry believes he can be a productive player for someone next season. The 6-foot-4 receiver has shown good ability as a third target in Cincinnati. During last year's eight-game suspension, the Bengals were 2-6 without Henry and 5-3 with him in the lineup. In three seasons, he recorded 88 career receptions for 1,370 yards and 17 touchdowns. Of course, much of Henry's future will depend on the way the judicial system plays out and how it looks in the eyes of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Being allowed to visit other teams is a good first step. As far as his next step? "Just taking care of this situation I got on my hands right now, and just moving forward and trying to get back on that field," Henry said. "Because that's what I love to do is play ball, and that's what I'm trying to do."
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