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Old 04-22-2008, 01:03 PM    (permalink
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Thats tough, Boldin or Williams? Both are great taking punishment in the middle, but Williams can stretch you out more.

Id lean towards Williams honestly. He's more complete than Boldin is. Although I love Boldin.


I'd go with Boldin over Williams.
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Why don't the Lions and Bengals trade Roy for Chad straight up?

I just thought of that now, that would be an interesting proposal.
Do you think Chad Johnson would be happy on the Lions???
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when he's healthy he's pretty damn good, ill give him that. When he had TO or Stallworth, or anything remotely acceptable at WR he looked like a stud.

Yes, our secondary is iffy right now. Thats why im hoping we bulk it up more this offseason. A CB and a safety would be nice.

I personally feel we're a CB and a safety away from having an elite defense.
At least Aaron Ross is a beast. Ass.
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Thats tough, Boldin or Williams? Both are great taking punishment in the middle, but Williams can stretch you out more.

Id lean towards Williams honestly. He's more complete than Boldin is. Although I love Boldin.
I'd just take Roy because of age, its literally a wash, I made a thread on these 2 awhile back and it was dead even..Similiar styles, running with the ball after the catch is a wash, I just view Roy as more of a deep ball threat, who is a tad younger, either way those 2 are the targets for Dallas and I would welcome both with a 1st and a player, just seems like both teams aren't budging...I haven't even heard anything out of Arizona suggesting they would trade him, but I will be holding onto that glimmer of hope draft day.


Although I agree with your pass rush theory, you guys shut down our passing game in the playoffs when our WR's had a better matchup with Ross being banged up, which is why I want a huge NT like Red Bryant, and another Safety who can make plays with the ball in the air...We get Bryant up front, Burnett can start in base packages and we have alot more speed.
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They both have a bit of an ego problem...

It's tough. I would probably lean Roy because of the age factor.

Let's look at the #'s

Chad Johnson

Age : 30

YPC : 15.0

TD : 8

100+ yard games : 5

First Downs : 74

Let's compare that to Roy's last full season...

Age : 26

YPC : 16.0

TD : 7

100+ yard games : 6

First Downs : 66

Now at first glance, we see that the numbers are pretty even, and both teams threw the ball a lot (596 times for Detroit, 575 times for Cincinatti)

In the end, I take Roy because of his age... they are similarly productive receivers when healthy.
Key word full. Also, Chad is more marketable than Roy, he'll sell a ton more shirts.
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just when i thought the redskins thought they knew what they were doing....
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Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, in a pre-draft news conference this morning, said the Bengals have not received any trade offers, including one from the Redskins for their first-round pick this year and third-round pick next year, for disgruntled wide receiver Chad Johnson.

And when asked if Johnson’s threat to not to play would affect the team’s draft plans, Lewis said it wouldn't, and added that Johnson should be prepared to sit out the season.

"I think he has made it clear he’s not going to play, and that’s what I’ve been aware of since the end of last season. I think it’s time to do what you say you’re going to do, and we’ll move forward.

"He has a contract through 2011. He stated, without an opportunity to go to another team with a new contract he wasn’t going to play. I think he’s a man of his word, and says he’s not going to play, so don’t play."

In its report of the Redskins trade offer, ESPN.com said the 2009 pick could elevate to a first if Johnson were to hit performance incentives with Washington.

"Errant," is how Lewis described the report of the trade offer. "I don’t think Mike Brown received a call."

"No," Lewis said again when asked if Brown had received any trade offers.
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Wow, those are some "man-up" words coming from Marvin...But at the same time, at what point do you realize your job is in jeapordy? I mean yes, sit him down and make him suffer, all the while you go on to a top 5 pick, no team chemistry, and you lose your job, how is that a better scenario for him over trading for picks, stockpiling talent, and trying to salvage the season and his job?


I just don't get that, one more losing season is all he has left.
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Chad is not worth that much at all, I don't even know why we are in such a need for WR. We do need a bigger guy but we shouldn't force ourselves to make a move just to get one. While we don't have size, Moss, Randle El, and Cooley aren't terrible. I'd much rather opt for using our 2nd rounder on a WR like James Hardy or Malcolm Kelly, and going strongside DE or Safety round 1. If we were offering this kind of deal for a Boldin or even Roy Will, I'd say ok, but Chad I just see too much trouble in trading for him.
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Chad is not worth that much at all, I don't even know why we are in such a need for WR. We do need a bigger guy but we shouldn't force ourselves to make a move just to get one. While we don't have size, Moss, Randle El, and Cooley aren't terrible. I'd much rather opt for using our 2nd rounder on a WR like James Hardy or Malcolm Kelly, and going strongside DE or Safety round 1. If we were offering this kind of deal for a Boldin or even Roy Will, I'd say ok, but Chad I just see too much trouble in trading for him.
So you are putting more value on Williams then 85? I like your thinking.
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Thats tough, Boldin or Williams? Both are great taking punishment in the middle, but Williams can stretch you out more.

Id lean towards Williams honestly. He's more complete than Boldin is. Although I love Boldin.
That is tough, but Boldin is the better run blocker. So if Marinelli wants to be committed to the run, Boldin would worlds better.

Although a player for player trade is not going to happen. Both guys want new contracts, neither team wants to award them. It doesn't make sense.

I could really see Boldin being a beast in Tennessee, Vince's ability to scramble will allow him to work back to the qb and get people out of position to stop his RAC.
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That is tough, but Boldin is the better run blocker. So if Marinelli wants to be committed to the run, Boldin would worlds better.

Although a player for player trade is not going to happen. Both guys want new contracts, neither team wants to award them. It doesn't make sense.

I could really see Boldin being a beast in Tennessee, Vince's ability to scramble will allow him to work back to the qb and get people out of position to stop his RAC.
Boldin in Philadelphia would be even better.
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Boldin in Philadelphia would be even better.
You need a quarterback that can stay on the field to get him the ball first though.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

Good article, check it out. Included is Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis confirming the Redskins offer, an about-face from earlier in the day.

Take the deal imo! Yeah, it hurts to show that Johnson walked all over the franchise ... but this move is best for the franchise. Don't just look at the guaranteed money the Bengals will have to pay, stingingly, in trading away Johnson. Don't forget that they won't have to pay his base salaries anymore, and it wouldn't surprise me if those base salaries were close to what they would pay annually to one first round pick and another Day One pick in 09 maybe.

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paying Johnson's guaranteed bonus over two years + paying potentially two 1st round picks > paying Johnson's bonus money + paying Johnson's base salaries. Maybe the numbers point the other way, but that's how I see the long-term value.

It hurts to take the hit in respect around the league, for Johnson to play the Bengals franchise like a puppet ... but I would take the hit and take the deal.
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Yeah, the Bengals need to jump all over that deal.
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I just Thank God the Bungles were too stupid to take the Skins up on the offer. I pray that Vinny/Danny don't try to sweeten it either.
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I like that they wont trade him, whenever a player says trade me, the team is looking to trade him. I like what the Bengals are doing though, you want to be traded, we dont want to trade so sit.
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I like that they wont trade him, whenever a player says trade me, the team is looking to trade him. I like what the Bengals are doing though, you want to be traded, we dont want to trade so sit.
And all in the process, Marvin Lewis gets fired...I guess thats a win situation for him
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The Packers had Mike McKenzie and Javon Walker who both didnt want to play for the Packers anymore. In the end it was better that we did trade them. So what if a team says let em sit, it means nothing. There comes a point when its better to get rid of players who are causing trouble on your team. In the end its likely the player will play anyways because they want money but you know there not going to play 100% and will only be a distraction. Because the CBA is so messed up recently signed guys are getting more then players that are better then them. This just makes the better players want more, teams don't want to and then theres problems.

By saying and actually letting them sit or half a** play only stalls the problem. Much like Moss in Oakland.
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Man, this kills me.

I want him gone and that's an awesome offer. Ugh, I'm all about not taking crap from a player but sometimes when something like this comes along you have to give in.

Think of the possibilities...

9. Sedrick Ellis
21. Limas Sweed/Johnathan Stewart/DeSean Jackson/Kenny Phillips

I really really really really really hope they give in and do this. We save 1.3 mil due to Pollack retiring, if we are able to draft Ellis then John Thornton's large contract would likely be cut.
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